Cartels Are Being Dismantled

[Fluffypants]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Bush Jr numbed the public into accepting using torture was acceptable, now Donnie Dicktater gets you all behind outright murder on the High Seas.

Guardians of Democracy no longer.

Its called stopping an invasion

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

My observations are based on the decades of lost lives in this drug ‘war’. Let’s see if the price of these drugs rockets up or not. 

If the prices increase because of lost shipments, dead and jailed cartel members, the unwillingness of people to be mules, high-ranking members opting to lay low for a while while the heat is cranked to EXTRAJUDICIAL KILLINGS, etc, that will make it harder to get a new generation of users addicted.

If you're being honest now, Spanky, you're admitting that:

1. Trump is actually going all-in against Fentanyl and other narcotics
2. if nothing else, he is causing the prices to increase

Would it kill you to acknowledge that there is absolutely no doubt that Trump is doing everything he can to harm cartels and prevent the flow of dangerous, life-ending narcotics? Isn't it nice to know that the US isn't pulling any punches?

I really don't think that you can say the same for Biden, and I know that cartel members agree with me. They feel it when they go to jump in a boat. 

We can agree to disagree about whether or not the war on drugs is an actual war, but I will never cry for the life of a drug dealer. If Trump wants to declare war on Mexico just to make the drone strikes legal, so be it. 

[User]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Bush Jr numbed the public into accepting using torture was acceptable, now Donnie Dicktater gets you all behind outright murder on the High Seas.

Guardians of Democracy no longer.

Well, you certainly are the guardian for lawlessness and narco cartel terrorists. 

[herbie]

The fascists among us (who'll vehemently deny they are) accept the death penalty for suspected drug trafficking.
And accuse anyone objecting of supporting it.

Now, if these guys were caught in American waters and convicted of drug trafficking, they would not get the death penalty. 
But as foreigners in international waters, they are subhumans, not privileged with the rights of only the master race.

Well give them more leeway so soon they can blow up your condo with your family inside and simply announce you were smugglers. Their brownshirts will all clap and cheer.

[User]

36 minutes ago, herbie said:

The fascists among us (who'll vehemently deny they are) accept the death penalty for suspected drug trafficking.
And accuse anyone objecting of supporting it.

Now, if these guys were caught in American waters and convicted of drug trafficking, they would not get the death penalty. 
But as foreigners in international waters, they are subhumans, not privileged with the rights of only the master race.

Well give them more leeway so soon they can blow up your condo with your family inside and simply announce you were smugglers. Their brownshirts will all clap and cheer.

It is not the "death penalty" as this is not a judicial action. 

It helps if you actually try to be honest about what is going on instead of trying to obfuscate with this loaded language. 

These are narco terrorists, and our country has declared them as a state enemy force, and these are targeted military actions against them.

If you are concerned about your condo getting blown up, don't put it out in international waters smuggling drugs for terrorist actors.  

 

[Legato]

40 minutes ago, herbie said:

The fascists among us (who'll vehemently deny they are) accept the death penalty for suspected drug trafficking.
And accuse anyone objecting of supporting it.

Now, if these guys were caught in American waters and convicted of drug trafficking, they would not get the death penalty. 
But as foreigners in international waters, they are subhumans, not privileged with the rights of only the master race.

Well give them more leeway so soon they can blow up your condo with your family inside and simply announce you were smugglers. Their brownshirts will all clap and cheer.

Nothing to do with traffic

It was discovered that the sharks in those area's had been starving for some time. So the international committee of "Save the Sharks" formulated a plan. This plan would kill 4 birds with one stone and provide much needed sustenance for the poor starving sharks.

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

If the prices increase because of lost shipments, dead and jailed cartel members, the unwillingness of people to be mules, high-ranking members opting to lay low for a while while the heat is cranked to EXTRAJUDICIAL KILLINGS, etc, that will make it harder to get a new generation of users addicted.

If you're being honest now, Spanky, you're admitting that:

1. Trump is actually going all-in against Fentanyl and other narcotics
2. if nothing else, he is causing the prices to increase

Would it kill you to acknowledge that there is absolutely no doubt that Trump is doing everything he can to harm cartels and prevent the flow of dangerous, life-ending narcotics? Isn't it nice to know that the US isn't pulling any punches?

I really don't think that you can say the same for Biden, and I know that cartel members agree with me. They feel it when they go to jump in a boat. 

We can agree to disagree about whether or not the war on drugs is an actual war, but I will never cry for the life of a drug dealer. If Trump wants to declare war on Mexico just to make the drone strikes legal, so be it. 

How long have we been having this conversation in North America? Do you really think these actions will change our culture? I prefer to see the world as it is, not as I would like it to be. The cartels are like Charles Bukowksi’s girlfriends:

when one leaves
another arrives
worse than her predecessor.

They are not going away. That’s the nature of capitalism. And the more we criminalize this issue, the worse the people who control the supply will get. BTW anybody who claims Canada is a significant factor in America’s fentanyl problem should be ignored. 

Edited October 5, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

26 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

And the more we criminalize this issue, the worse the people who control the supply will get.

Good thing we are just blowing them up then. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

I’ve been hearing guff about defeating the cartels for nearly fifty years. At some point in a debate one has to concede that the evidence is a mountain on one side and a molehill on the other. In terms of supply, it should be clear to anyone that we are up against T-1000 and no vat of molten steel will save us. Blowing up boats is like taking illegal drugs - it makes us feel better for a short while but doesn't change anything. This is our chronic problem and I’m afraid we have to address it ourselves. There are no short cuts. 
 

 

Edited October 5, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I’ve been hearing guff about defeating the cartels for nearly fifty years. At some point in a debate one has to concede that the evidence is a mountain on one side and a molehill on the other. In terms of supply, it should be clear to anyone that we are up against T-1000 and no vat of molten steel will save us. Blowing up boats is like taking illegal drugs - it makes us feel better for a short while but doesn't change anything. This is our chronic problem and I’m afraid we have to address it ourselves. There are no short cuts. 
 

 

That would have been a boring movie.

Sarah Conor: We have to fight!

John Connor: Nah, no point

Sarah Conor: You know what, you are right. 

5 mins later....

Skynet Wins

Credits...

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

6 hours ago, User said:

That would have been a boring movie.

Sarah Conor: We have to fight!

John Connor: Nah, no point

Sarah Conor: You know what, you are right. 

5 mins later....

Skynet Wins

Credits...

 

Sarah: We can beat them.

John: Yeah, right…

Sarah: No, I’m not joking. They have a secret weakness. We pay for the whole thing.

John: What?

Sarah: This is embarrassing but here goes…we are financing this invasion. If we just stop sending them money they disappear. Why we ever did this is gonna take some to explain. 

Skynet loses.

Credits…

 

 

 

Edited October 5, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

7 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Sarah: We can beat them.

John: Yeah, right…

Sarah: No, I’m not joking. They have a secret weakness. We pay for the whole thing.

John: What?

Sarah: This is embarrassing but here goes…we are financing this invasion. If we just stop sending them money they disappear. Why we ever did this is gonna take some to explain. 

Skynet loses.

Credits…

 

 

 

"we" are not paying for anything and you have yet to explain how we stop other than hope over the next 100 years it just magically changes. 

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

How long have we been having this conversation in North America? Do you really think these actions will change our culture? I prefer to see the world as it is, not as I would like it to be. The cartels are like Charles Bukowksi’s girlfriends:

when one leaves
another arrives
worse than her predecessor.

This is a new level of drug enforcement that we have never seen before, and the level of enforcement against any crime actually does have an effect on it. 

We saw it in DC, we even saw it in terrorist orgs, where Al Qaeda pretended to not even exist anymore, and it will be reflected in the availability of drugs in the US.

Criminals hate Trump, bigtime. If criminals and terrorists were the only ones who could participate in elections then Kamala would have received 100% of the vote.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 10/5/2025 at 3:49 PM, User said:

"we" are not paying for anything and you have yet to explain how we stop other than hope over the next 100 years it just magically changes. 

North Americans finance the illegal drug trade. That’s how it happens and I’m afraid the people who do that are all around you. Have you no friends or relatives who have ever taken such drugs? Absolutely none? What about using too much prescribed opioids? Again, nobody? I’m assuming you have friends and relatives in this country. If you can answer confidently and honestly in the negative you are very much in the minority. 

We can reduce the problem by changing ourselves and our expectations. Trying to solve it by choking off supply alone can’t work in a free country. If there’s a market there will always be people willing to take the risks required to make money in it. 
 

 

[robosmith]

On 10/4/2025 at 2:07 PM, Shady said:

Libtards defending cartels is peak Trump derangement syndrome.

^lDIOTS defending the TRASHING of RULE of LAW is ULTIMATE FASCIST.

[User]

43 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

North Americans finance the illegal drug trade. That’s how it happens and I’m afraid the people who do that are all around you. Have you no friends or relatives who have ever taken such drugs? Absolutely none? What about using too much prescribed opioids? Again, nobody? I’m assuming you have friends and relatives in this country. If you can answer confidently and honestly in the negative you are very much in the minority. 

We can reduce the problem by changing ourselves and our expectations. Trying to solve it by choking off supply alone can’t work in a free country. If there’s a market there will always be people willing to take the risks required to make money in it. 
 

 

Once again, we are not talking about some casual marijuana users. The major finance is coming from drug addicts. People who have little choice as they are addicted. They buy and continue to buy because they are compelled to do so. 

You offer nothing but vague innuendo. That is not a solution. That doesn't work. I never said I only wanted to solve it by choking off supply, but we certainly do not solve it by not caring about supply either. 

We have to resort to involuntary commitment of people, instead of locking them up and letting them go like many places do now or just no bail or no arrest and let them back out on the streets, there have been communities that use jail time as a form of detox and jail people in a rehab facility. 

 

 

Just now, robosmith said:

^lDIOTS defending the TRASHING of RULE of LAW is ULTIMATE FASCIST.

You no longer even bother to try. You are a broken, sad person. 

[robosmith]

On 10/4/2025 at 6:37 PM, Legato said:

Nothing to do with traffic

It was discovered that the sharks in those area's had been starving for some time. So the international committee of "Save the Sharks" formulated a plan. This plan would kill 4 birds with one stone and provide much needed sustenance for the poor starving sharks.

^LYING CLOWN

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

North Americans finance the illegal drug trade. That’s how it happens and I’m afraid the people who do that are all around you. Have you no friends or relatives who have ever taken such drugs? Absolutely none? What about using too much prescribed opioids? Again, nobody? I’m assuming you have friends and relatives in this country. If you can answer confidently and honestly in the negative you are very much in the minority. 

I had a cousin who got addicted to drugs here and died at around 23 yrs old. That was back in about 1990. 

I've never been a "soft on drug crime" guy. Even when I was a kid I thought it was a joke that adults would say "________ is a Hell's Angel, but he's a good guy."

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We can reduce the problem by changing ourselves and our expectations. Trying to solve it by choking off supply alone can’t work in a free country. If there’s a market there will always be people willing to take the risks required to make money in it. 

Someone should start a new slogan, like "Just say "NO" to drugs."

[User]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

^LYING CLOWN

We have broken you. 

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, User said:

We have broken you. 

CNN broke him. 

There are Twitter bots from 2020 with more humanity in them than robo has left. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 10/6/2025 at 6:53 PM, User said:

Once again, we are not talking about some casual marijuana users. The major finance is coming from drug addicts. People who have little choice as they are addicted. They buy and continue to buy because they are compelled to do so. 

You offer nothing but vague innuendo. That is not a solution. That doesn't work. I never said I only wanted to solve it by choking off supply, but we certainly do not solve it by not caring about supply either. 

We have to resort to involuntary commitment of people, instead of locking them up and letting them go like many places do now or just no bail or no arrest and let them back out on the streets, there have been communities that use jail time as a form of detox and jail people in a rehab facility. 

Many cocaine and opioid users are not visibly addicted and staggering around city streets. They are working all around us in factories, boardrooms, courts and hospitals.

https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/sleep-country-vancouver-co-founder-documents-fight-against-crack-addiction-in-memoir

Incredibly, these drugs are seen as recreational options now. Coke and similar drugs have been normalized. 

Involuntary commitment raises all sorts of issues, including cost. Have you costed this and does that fit with your plans for a low tax country? Bear in mind that Americans who suffer regular psychiatric illness can’t get a bed for more than a few days - the system is already stretched way beyond breaking point. I would be prepared to pay higher taxes for the many more beds required to treat addiction in Canada but I’d say I’m in a minority there. 

Actually, there are some encouraging signs in the US that fentanyl deaths are falling. I’m not even going to bother discussing harm reduction here in any detail but it has had some success. In my opinion. 

Again do you really believe that Reagan etc etc didn’t try their damnedest to stop the drug trade? And that was before the Americans were dealing with a supplier like China that doesn't have to play by their rules at all and certainly won’t allow its sovereignty to be violated. 

Going after the cartels has its place - the way the banks were allowed to launder their money and get a slap on the wrist for it is outrageous - but people need to talk more loudly about demand too. I just don’t hear that from politicians to the same degree. The story told is that it’s someone out there, the drug dealer, who is entirely to blame. That’s just not true in this trade. 
 

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

On 10/19/2025 at 8:49 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Many cocaine and opioid users are not visibly addicted and staggering around city streets.

OK.. and? Visibility of addiction doesn’t change my point.

On 10/19/2025 at 8:49 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

ncredibly, these drugs are seen as recreational options now. Coke and similar drugs have been normalized.

Where do you get this absurdity from?

Coke and similar drugs are not “normalized”

On 10/19/2025 at 8:49 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Involuntary commitment raises all sorts of issues, including cost.

It already costs money to the resources required to continually deal with these people roaming the streets.

 

[WestCanMan]

On 10/19/2025 at 8:49 PM, SpankyMcFarland said:

Many cocaine and opioid users are not visibly addicted and staggering around city streets. They are working all around us in factories, boardrooms, courts and hospitals.

https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/sleep-country-vancouver-co-founder-documents-fight-against-crack-addiction-in-memoir

Incredibly, these drugs are seen as recreational options now. Coke and similar drugs have been normalized. 

Involuntary commitment raises all sorts of issues, including cost. Have you costed this and does that fit with your plans for a low tax country? Bear in mind that Americans who suffer regular psychiatric illness can’t get a bed for more than a few days - the system is already stretched way beyond breaking point. I would be prepared to pay higher taxes for the many more beds required to treat addiction in Canada but I’d say I’m in a minority there. 

Actually, there are some encouraging signs in the US that fentanyl deaths are falling. I’m not even going to bother discussing harm reduction here in any detail but it has had some success. In my opinion. 

Again do you really believe that Reagan etc etc didn’t try their damnedest to stop the drug trade? And that was before the Americans were dealing with a supplier like China that doesn't have to play by their rules at all and certainly won’t allow its sovereignty to be violated. 

Going after the cartels has its place - the way the banks were allowed to launder their money and get a slap on the wrist for it is outrageous - but people need to talk more loudly about demand too. I just don’t hear that from politicians to the same degree. The story told is that it’s someone out there, the drug dealer, who is entirely to blame. That’s just not true in this trade. 

Lots to unpack there.

1. Is this an attempt at saying "There aren't as many druggies falling on the sidewalk as there were last year at this time, but the problem hasn't gotten any better? Because it has gotten better. I brought my kid to downtown Vcr to show him how bad it was and it didn't live up to its former 'glory'.
2. Cocaine has been viewed as "rich people's beer" for generations now
3. I don't think that Raegan etc tried as hard as Trump is, nor do I think it was necessary back then. OD'ing in the 1980s wasn't nearly as easy as it is now. You couldn't do what looked like a half-portion and die instantly.
4. Going after demand has kinda been tried. That's what "Just say NO!" was all about. The real way to make it unpopular is to stop glorifying it in music, movies and TV. Ever since Sherlock was doing narcotics, and probably far earlier for all I know, doing drugs and drinking excessively have been key ingredients of popular stories. It's hard to find a series on Netflix where the protagonist doesn't regularly quaff hard liquor neat, and I don't know anyone who drinks rye or vodka like that, and I grew up in Alberta ffs. They do it in soaps, they do it in movies, John Wayne did it before he hauled off on someone... The makers of "fine whiskey and beer" are big sponsors in Hollywood I reckon. Hell, that movie "40 dresses" or whatever was about a girl who couldn't find love until she got plastered and danced on tables. Our culture is just pro-intoxicants. 

Edited October 22, 2025 by WestCanMan

[SpankyMcFarland]

6 hours ago, User said:

OK.. and? Visibility of addiction doesn’t change my point.

Where do you get this absurdity from?

Coke and similar drugs are not “normalized”

It already costs money to the resources required to continually deal with these people roaming the streets.

 

I’m afraid what you’re saying isn’t the case about drugs like cocaine and even opioids. They are seen by many people as part of having a good time these days. That’s the depth of our problem. And I can assure you that killing a few low level people under extremely dubious legal authority isn’t going to change anything, no matter how much you would like to think it would. It’s theatre of a particularly grotesque sort. Check back with me when Trump and Co. have finished the job and the cartels are gone.

Edited October 23, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I’m afraid what you’re saying isn’t the case about drugs like cocaine and even opioids. They are seen by many people as part of having a good time these days.

I challenged your outlandish assertion, to which you ignored and have not defended. Instead, you make another bogus assertion.