Pierre Calls For An End To Temporary Worker Program.

[Shady]

It’s about time.  It’s been completely overused, and exploited.  Youth unemployment is at recession levels, and international students and temporary foreign workers are taking jobs that high school and university students would normally take.

 

[herbie]

Have fun making your kid work picking strawberries. Or working at Wendys.

And if you even hear of a TFW making paid less tan a citizen YOU call the labour board. They're not only breaking the law they're driving every workers wages down. PP only says that to rage bait and you know damn well he wouldn't spend a nickel to investigate or enforce labour laws.

Part of your "problem" is young people raised here have enough pride not to demean themselves by working for less than someone else and not enough sense to figure out why it's called a J-O-B and lots of them suck.
That was a former supervisors tale: sure I'll hire a kid with2 years at McDonalds over one with the training an no work experience. They fully know why jobs aren't spelled f-u-n and how to eat shit from a Boss.

[Shady]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

Have fun making your kid work picking strawberries. Or working at Wendys.

And if you even hear of a TFW making paid less tan a citizen YOU call the labour board. They're not only breaking the law they're driving every workers wages down. PP only says that to rage bait and you know damn well he wouldn't spend a nickel to investigate or enforce labour laws.

Part of your "problem" is young people raised here have enough pride not to demean themselves by working for less than someone else and not enough sense to figure out why it's called a J-O-B and lots of them suck.
That was a former supervisors tale: sure I'll hire a kid with2 years at McDonalds over one with the training an no work experience. They fully know why jobs aren't spelled f-u-n and how to eat shit from a Boss.

No offence but this is a really dumb take.  There’s nothing wrong with jobs like Wendy’s, especially when you’re in school.  It’s good to see we have another Pierre mind reader though, knowing exactly what he “really” thinks, and a Pierre psychic, knowing exactly what he would do.  Keep making excuses for the Liberals and their terrible policy that hurts Canadians.

[CouchPotato]

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

PP only says that to rage bait

David Eby is in on the rage bating now.

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

I saw Rempel trying to defend this populist move on Power and Politics the other day. Her heart wasn’t really in it, especially after Cochrane actually presented real world examples of Canadian workers being very hard to find in outback Canadian locales like his own province of NL which I can confirm right the way through the social spectrum. From Tim Hortons to the GP clinic we would be royally screwed out here without foreigners. They do the work. Meanwhile my taxes pay for a ‘local’ med school that supplies doctors exclusively for the city - apparently wifi not good enough here plus so much call sucks. Indeed, some of these precious darlings come with a long list of what they won’t do out in the sticks. Do you want us all to move to a shanty town around Toronto? Banlieue might sound better until you see it. If PP wants to MODIFY the program, fair enough, but he should do his homework first. National economic change needs to be carefully considered, sensitive to regional differences, and gradual. Do I have to say that? 

Edited September 6, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Have fun making your kid work picking strawberries. Or working at Wendys.

And if you even hear of a TFW making paid less tan a citizen YOU call the labour board. They're not only breaking the law they're driving every workers wages down. PP only says that to rage bait and you know damn well he wouldn't spend a nickel to investigate or enforce labour laws.

Part of your "problem" is young people raised here have enough pride not to demean themselves by working for less than someone else and not enough sense to figure out why it's called a J-O-B and lots of them suck.
That was a former supervisors tale: sure I'll hire a kid with2 years at McDonalds over one with the training an no work experience. They fully know why jobs aren't spelled f-u-n and how to eat shit from a Boss.

This is a complex matter. At the very least, Poilievre should watch he doesn’t end up sounding like the amazing foreign worker who somehow became our head of state:

 

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“If we are to harvest British fruit and vegetables this year, we need an army of people to help,” the Prince said, one hand in his pocket. “In the coming months, many thousands of people will be needed to bring in the crops. It will be hard graft but it is hugely important … People are needed who are genuinely going to commit. The phrase I have often heard is, ‘pickers who are stickers’.”

There are some very loaded terms in there, aren’t there? Prince Charles saying “hard graft” alone should be enough to get the Robespierres among us fired up. The idea that he is parroting cool farming lingo that he has heard but never had to learn through work does rather put the (British-grown!) cherry on the sundae, too. Pick literally one brussels sprout out the ground, Prince Charles. Then I’ll join your little allotment army.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/19/coronavirus-royal-family-prince-charles-pick-fruit

 

Edited September 6, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

David Eby is in on the rage bating now.

David Eby wants to see wages going up. Pierre Poilievre wants to see immigrants go away.

[CouchPotato]

Just now, eyeball said:

David Eby wants to see wages going up. Pierre Poilievre wants to see immigrants go away.

What evidence do you have for that?

[CouchPotato]

 

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On economic immigration

As Minister of Employment and Social Development, Poilievre has generally supported economic immigration to fill Canada’s labour shortages.

In 2015, for example, he announced the funding of projects that would see internationally trained doctors and engineers integrate more quickly in the Canadian job market.

 

Over the last few years, he has repeatedly talked about streamlining processes and licensing requirements, specifically for in-demand occupations, to help meet labour market needs.

 

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On the Temporary Foreign Worker Program

While he has expressed support for economic immigration, Poilievre has called for reforms of the Temporary Foreign Worker Program (TFWP).

In 2015, as Minister of Employment and Social Development, he announced new penalties for employers abusing the TFWP. At the same time, he made a statement about how Canadians deserved first preference when it comes to available jobs.

https://www.cicnews.com/2025/01/what-is-pierre-poilievres-stance-on-immigration-0150539.html

[eyeball]

43 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

From Tim Hortons to the GP clinic we would be royally screwed out here without foreigners.

There are as many TFW's as there are help wanted signs out here. It's been like this for years.

Housing is always a challenge but wow is all I can say to the numbers of old junky boats on their last legs that young people are buying up. Dropping anchor is like putting down roots hereabouts.

They have a certain determination and old school way about them that I admire...my first place was a driftwood shelter on the beach... 

[SpankyMcFarland]

I liked what PP previously had to say about fast-tracking skilled foreigners, eg, doctors. If you don’t want us all at the penile end of Ontario, be reallstic about a purely Canadian workforce option. 

Edited September 6, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

What evidence do you have for that?

Eby's a lefty and Poilievre ain't.

I want less immigration because our population growth is ecologically unsustainable.

My evidence for that are the numbers of Canadians, especially indigenous, who are finding themselves refugees from climate change right here within Canada.

[CouchPotato]

28 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

This is a complex matter. 

Yes, Pierre realizes that.

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Over the last decade, TFWs have ballooned to almost two percent of our total private sector workforce. The impact is dramatic, considering that nearly three-quarters of these temporary immigrants earn less than the median income and exert downward pressure on wages.

That’s as Canadians struggle with an unemployment crisis that CIBC says matches “levels typically only seen during recessionary periods.” In June 2009, the height of the Great Recession, 684,200 Ontarians were out of work, 16,300 fewer than the 700,500 reported this July. 

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Under this urgently-needed plan, the Temporary Foreign Workers program would be permanently abolished with a separate, standalone program for legitimately difficult-to-fill agricultural labour. For ultra-low-unemployment regions, there will be a transition period of, at most, five years while the program winds down, but no new permits will be issued anywhere in Canada

https://www.conservative.ca/end-the-tfw-program/

[Legato]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Eby's a lefty and Poilievre ain't.

I want less immigration because our population growth is ecologically unsustainable.

My evidence for that are the numbers of Canadians, especially indigenous, who are finding themselves refugees from climate change right here within Canada.

Climate change refugees? WTF?

[SpankyMcFarland]

From a Tory policy point of view this could be win-win for PP. if Carney does nothing he can continue to talk it up but if Carney drastically restricts the program, inflation will tick up, services will disappear, old folks will die and he can raise his hands in horror. 

 

Edited September 6, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

20 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Yes, Pierre realizes that.

https://www.conservative.ca/end-the-tfw-program/

OK. Implement PP’s program in Newfoundland and Labrador. Tell me how it plays out here. We have a high unemployment rate by national standards and yet we can’t find workers for many jobs. 

BTW Rempel brought up very little about this that I heard on CBC. Why not be an adult and modify an existing program rather than talk of abolishing it and bringing in vague alternatives? Modifying is better than abolishing and replacing for people at the pointy end of policy. 
 

 

Edited September 6, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, Legato said:

Climate change refugees? WTF?

Wildfires and their proliferation driven by climate change  throughout Canada.

[herbie]

3 hours ago, Shady said:

There’s nothing wrong with jobs like Wendy’s

Of course there isn't. But a LOT of young people won't take them. Only in the last year the local Subway found local kids. The TFWs were here for years and half them are now landed. 
Local teen won't mow lawns for ONLY $20. My Dad makes $40 hr. Told the kid these tiny city lots only take you 20 minutes, that is $60 an hour. Must still be busy scratching his head, never came back since June.

This summer the kids are taking those jobs the talk on TV about it helps scare them into it. Wendys ot nothing. Like what is it now $17 something minimum? Ot ZERO. Choose.

( I have 2 friends with boys that graduated this year and last that just will not even look for work. Parents scared to boot them out thinking they'll end up street druggies Funny that all the girls are working. )

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

The least you expect from populists is that they are more in touch with what’s going on in Canada than the ‘elitists’ at CBC. I experienced the opposite when listening to Rempel the other night. She hadn’t a clue about life in rural Newfoundland whereas Cochrane did. 

[herbie]

28 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 want less immigration because our population growth is ecologically unsustainable.

It is anything BUT in Canada. Get the f*ck out of the big city, the f*cking country is empty.

Eby wants better controlled not ended. There are many jobs that shouldn't be filled with TFWs. Hand out some Trade School scholarships to high schoolers - get proactive.

[SpankyMcFarland]

As I have said before, if PP says something that helps rural Canada I’m in favour of it, eg, fast-tracking professional qualifications for foreigners. I went for a recent procedure in my local hospital and praised the Lord that an excellent foreign doctor I knew was still around to do it. We are not talking nearly enough about the brain drain WITHIN this country and the sociological factors there. It’s a delicate matter but we have to ask awkward questions, eg, where do single Christian Canadian females want to work? Or married Arab Muslim men? Or professional couples from the same or mixed traditions? We are basically seeing the answers before anybody has the gumption to formally ask the questions which is sad. 

One big confounding factor in medical recruitment and retention in Canada is the importance that interviews are given here. In my country entrance to medical school was based purely on academic scoring, but here the interview plays a big role and that creates a serious problem in determining the motivation of people and where they are going to go. When you talk to Canadian medical grads, they still have their med school interview face on a lot of the time and it’s hard to know what the truth is.  Of course, in the end we know what the truth is when we see how careers turn out, but then it’s too late.
 

Edited September 6, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

Low-skilled immigration is a problem long-term but we have acute needs in Canada which are not being addressed. If we don’t import we will have to urbanize more intensely and hope inflation does not explode. Good news for realtors, landlords and elderly owners but very few else. And what about high-skilled immigration? There are problems there too, eg, China in a word. Let’s discuss them both from a technocratic view rather than politically and acknowledge our deep underlying social problems in this country. 

Edited September 6, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[SpankyMcFarland]

43 minutes ago, herbie said:

It is anything BUT in Canada. Get the f*ck out of the big city, the f*cking country is empty.

Eby wants better controlled not ended. There are many jobs that shouldn't be filled with TFWs. Hand out some Trade School scholarships to high schoolers - get proactive.

With the Internet, Covid, Zoom and Sullivan’s Crossing, I thought some young Canadians would finally see the attraction of a virtually empty subcontinent over a million dollar troll life under the Gardiner but that’s not what happened. Bizarre. 

Edited September 6, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[Shady]

57 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Eby's a lefty and Poilievre ain't.

I want less immigration because our population growth is ecologically unsustainable.

My evidence for that are the numbers of Canadians, especially indigenous, who are finding themselves refugees from climate change right here within Canada.

Nobody is a refugee from climate change.  Especially in Canada, where it would actually be beneficial.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, herbie said:

It is anything BUT in Canada. Get the f*ck out of the big city, the f*cking country is empty.

I fled the big city over 50 years ago.

There's no fish or logs left to harvest here...old dead boats are piling up on beaches...fish plants are falling over...booming grounds are going back to nature...the economy is hollowed out...it seems emptier when you look at it that way.

Tourism is great but talk about unsustainability...

I guess we have a bunch of crappy fish farms. Nowadays we see as many farm feed trucks coming in as we used to see fish trucks heading out.

It bears considering that feed comes from fish in some other part of the world being fished into oblivion.