Conservatives Unanimous in Condemning Antisemitism in Canada

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

He often does when I criticize Israel.

Huh?  When?

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Now I fully admit I've heard Graham admit to the legitimacy of Palestinian grievances but he  caves to his emotions and ideology and just can't seem to help himself.

A Jewish MP just wrote a letter condemning recent violence on Jews in Canada.   What's wrong with that?  A Jewish woman was just stabbed in Ottawa in a grocery store by an antisemite.   Schools have been vandalized.   If you were Jewish do you think you might be a little concerned?  What valid reason could the other Liberal MP's have for not signing it?  You're either on-board or you aren't.

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9 hours ago, Venandi said:

You quoted Wikipidea... did you read this part?

The terms "self-hating Jew", "self-loathing Jew", and "auto-antisemite" are pejorative terms used to describe Jews that oppose certain characteristics that the claimant considers core to Jewish identity

Yes.

It's this part however that really stands out from my perspective.

Haaretz writes that the term is almost exclusively used today by the Jewish right against the Jewish left, and that within left-wing and liberal circles it is "usually considered a joke".

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57 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Your response was racist and applied double-standards you don't apply to any other discriminated race and I showed why. 

WTF are you babbling about?

59 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Do you agree with the contents of the letter or not?

I told you what I disagreed with and why.

I disagree with the statement that racism and hatred skyrocketed around the world following Oct 7 when it's clearly dismay, disgust and anger due to the death toll and suffering of Palestinians that's skyrocketed.

You seriously believe hundreds of millions if not billions of human beings were dormant racists just waiting to be triggered prior to Oct 7?

It's fùcking nuts.

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm suggesting the huge rise in the criticism of Israel is being deliberately misinterpreted as anti-Semitism.

When even Jewish critics of Israel are accused of being anti-Semites the jig is clearly up (Google up Self-loathing Jew yourself)

Yes that's exactly what I think.

Then you're a liar.  But we knew that. 

A man stabbed a jewish woman  in broad daylight and stated out right it was because she was a jew. That's what was the impetus of this letter. 

It has nothing to do with isreal. It has nothing to do with headwear.  She was a jew, he tried to kill her because she was a jew

And you're defending the liberals jew hatred because you side with the terrorists and have been very clear about it.

the left in general and the liberals specifically are jew haters.  It's that simple. 

[CdnFox]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

He often does when I criticize Israel.

 

You literally claimed that the jewish citizens who died in the oct 7 attack were justified in being killed because palestine was exercising their basic human right to resist oppression.  They had the human right to kill those people. You said that. Directly. 

THose people weren't "Israel", they were just civilians trying to live in peace. 

Sorry kiddo.  Everyone knows you don't just criticize isreal, you hate the jews as well. Two things can be true at once, 

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1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

A man stabbed a jewish woman  in broad daylight and stated out right it was because she was a jew. That's what was the impetus of this letter. 

And people have killed blacks, Muslims and gay people because they were black, Muslim and gay. 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It has nothing to do with isreal

It specifically mentions Israel and Israel's response to the attack the attack on Oct 7. And yes, it's wrong for people to punish Canadians for Israel's actions.

It's entirely understandable that amongst the vast numbers of people legitimately protesting Israel's response that a few would take things too far.

Characterizing legitimate protests as anti-Semitism takes things even farther.

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14 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Huh?  When?

In the same freaking breath FFS 

14 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Your response was racist 

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

You literally claimed that the jewish citizens who died in the oct 7 attack were justified in being killed

Fùck off, you're a lying sack of shit.

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

I've lived next door to what was once referred to as a reserve for 50 years now. I have a pretty good idea what dispossession, subjugation and oppression look like.  Canada was instrumental in giving Israel instructions on how to do it. Unfortunately they took it a little to far and now they're mired in a forever war.

As I understand it, Israel obtained the West Bank and Gaza, as well as other places like the Sinai Peninsula in a war with Egypt and Jordan. When Egypt signed a peace treaty, they took back the Sinai, but didn't want Gaza. Jordan similarly renounced claims to the West Bank, which they had previously annexed and made a formal part of Jordan. Life in these places, as far as I've been able to learn, was pretty much similar as most Arabs elsewhere, except their economic circumstances was better and improving due to proximity with Israel, where large numbers of them worked.

Then came the terrorist campaigns against Israeli civilians. That caused the fences/walls, checkpoints, etc. Israel abandoned Gaza a couple of decades back and let the Palestinians do what they wanted. They elected a terrorist group that promised to never stop fighting until every Jews was dead and the Arabs had control of Israel. 

How's my history lesson?

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1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

Then came the terrorist campaigns against Israeli civilians.

Palestinian civilians started dying at the hands of Zionists and Israelis nearly a century ago.

Then came the resistance to that.

[I am Groot]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

The part that says since Oct 7 hatred against Jews has skyrocketed around the world and the part that doesn't include any mention of other minorities facing hatred in Canada.

Has hatred of other minorities skyrocketed?

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

I think it's pretty clear sympathy increased for Israel following Oct 7 but it started falling when the death toll of Palestinians began skyrocketing, especially the manner in which it's skyrocketed.

Yes, the world likes good Jews, the ones that die. It really doesn't like the strong Jews that fight back and kill other people.

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

It also seems clear to me that the number and scale of protests by young people at universities around the world is just naturally made worse when their governments, provide moral and material support to Israel. These kids are not Nazis. 

They think like Nazis. They act like Nazis. They speak well of Islamists who are almost identical to Nazis. Like Nazis, these protesters hate Jews. Like Nazis, they want them all to disappear. Like Nazis, they want anyone who disagrees with them punished. 

 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

How's my history lesson?

Way off the mark.

[Moonlight Graham]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

In the same freaking breath FFS 

This is nonsense.  Quote it then.

[I am Groot]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

It would be more sincere if it was condemned alongside all other hate crimes.

Surely even you know what a cop-out that is.

 

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

Netanyahu said it best, it's gone global.

I see little reason however not to believe the taxmes of the world aren't taking advantage of the situation. Like arsonists and climate change.

Maybe you should instead consider that you could be rubbing shoulders with him and some Islamist who wants to impose Sharia law in Canada the next time you're out protesting against Jews on behalf of Hamas.

[I am Groot]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Palestinian civilians started dying at the hands of Zionists and Israelis nearly a century ago.

Then came the resistance to that.

Jewish civilians started dying at the hands of Muslims an eon ago. There have been very few places where they have had the numbers to fight back.

Edited September 6, 2025 by I am Groot

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Has hatred of other minorities skyrocketed?

As I posted earlier...

Hate crimes in Canada are on the rise, with police-reported incidents increasing significantly in recent years, more than doubling between 2019 and 2023. In 2023, 4,777 incidents were reported, a 32% increase from the previous year. Common targets include racial minorities (particularly Black and Asian communities), sexual orientation (especially gay and lesbian individuals), and religious groups. However, statistics show only a fraction of hate crimes are reported to police, and the actual number of incidents is likely much higher than recorded. 

Key Trends and Statistics

Increasing Incidents:

Reported hate crimes have seen a sustained increase, with 2023 marking the highest number on record since systematic data collection began in 2009. 

Targets of Hate:

Race/Ethnicity: Black persons are consistently the most frequent targets of hate crimes based on race or ethnicity. Anti-Asian hate crimes, in particular, have seen significant increases in recent years. 

Sexual Orientation: Hate crimes targeting sexual orientation, especially those against the gay and lesbian population, rose sharply in 2023. Incidents against gender-diverse people are often violent. 

7 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Yes, the world likes good Jews, the ones that die. It really doesn't like the strong Jews that fight back and kill other people.

So you also believe billions of human beings have been harbouring these feelings forever but they only started expressing them after Oct 7?

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10 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

This is nonsense.  Quote it then.

 

17 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Sorry but your reply is absolutely racism and you've ventured into antisemitic double-standards here.   Do better.

Again I say, fùck you too.

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11 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Surely even you know what a cop-out that is.

No, the cop out here is characterizing protests against a country and it's governments actions with racism.

14 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Maybe you should instead consider that you could be rubbing shoulders with him and some Islamist who wants to impose Sharia law in Canada the next time you're out protesting against Jews on behalf of Hamas.

That definitely rates a good 'ol go fùck yourself.

[Moonlight Graham]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

WTF are you babbling about?

I told you what I disagreed with and why.

I disagree with the statement that racism and hatred skyrocketed around the world following Oct 7 when it's clearly dismay, disgust and anger due to the death toll and suffering of Palestinians that's skyrocketed.

You seriously believe hundreds of millions if not billions of human beings were dormant racists just waiting to be triggered prior to Oct 7?

It's fùcking nuts.

Eyeball, you're a good dude, you're better than this.  A Jewish school for girls has been shot at on 3 separate occasions in Toronto.  Synagogues have been vandalized.  An old Jewish woman was just stabbed in a grocery store in Ottawa by some man.  The letter is a condemnation of those antisemitic acts and nothing more. Those are racist acts.  It never said criticism of Israel is antisemitism.

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I disagree with the statement that racism and hatred skyrocketed around the world following Oct 7 when it's clearly dismay, disgust and anger due to the death toll and suffering of Palestinians that's skyrocketed.

This is a disgusting statement.  Being angry at Israel or their Zionist supporters in Canada is far different than violent racist acts against random Jews or their places of worship.   You're simply wrong that racism and hatred against Jews hasn't skyrocketed since Oct 7.  People weren't spraying bullets at Jewish schools before Oct 7.  Israel could genocide every Gazan tomorrow and that's still not justification for attacking schools and synagogues.

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14 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Jewish civilians started dying at the hands of Muslims an eon ago. There have been very few places where they have had the numbers to fight back.

We could have welcomed European Jewish refugees to settle and make a safe place for themselves here but....

We even sent a boatload back to Hitler.

[I am Groot]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We could have welcomed European Jewish refugees to settle and make a safe place for themselves here but....

We even sent a boatload back to Hitler.

We didn't shoot them and burn their houses, did we? 
They didn't want to come here. They wanted to go home.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

And people have killed blacks, Muslims and gay people because they were black, Muslim and gay. 

It specifically mentions Israel and Israel's response to the attack the attack on Oct 7. And yes, it's wrong for people to punish Canadians for Israel's actions.

It's entirely understandable that amongst the vast numbers of people legitimately protesting Israel's response that a few would take things too far.

Characterizing legitimate protests as anti-Semitism takes things even farther.

Goalposts.

[I am Groot]

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, the cop out here is characterizing protests against a country and it's governments actions with racism.

Nothing Israel is doing comes remotely close to the kinds of slaughters I've seen other countries engage in over the past fifty years. Yet none of those wars or slaughters drew remotely this level of outrage and indignation from Western lefties. They just tsk-tsked over the slaughters in Yugoslavia, in Iraq, in Syria, in Yemen, in Sudan, in Cambodia, in East Timor, in Chechnya, in Rwanda, and other places over the years. But these furious daily demonstrations - four a day in Toronto since Oct 7, mass occupations at universities, demands for boycotting Israel, for companies that might have stock in Israeli companies, or even in companies that deal with Israel has never been seen over any slaughter or war anywhere. 

I said several years ago, let fifty people be slaughtered in Somalia or Cambodia or Columbia and the world yawns. Let one Palestinian be killed while throwing rocks at Israelis and the world is outraged.

As some bright guy once said, "Not everyone who hates Israel is a Jew-hater, but every Jew-hater hates Israel."

And the Left has, frankly, never liked or trusted Jews. The Right, except for the far right, pretty much got over that decades ago. Especially the political right. But the political left sees Jews as too supportive of Capitalism, and too 'privileged' in that they get married to have kids, and get their kids educated so do well in society - unlike, say, Blacks.

[Moonlight Graham]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

It also seems clear to me that the number and scale of protests by young people at universities around the world is just naturally made worse when their governments, provide moral and material support to Israel. These kids are not Nazis. 

When certain university groups failed to condemn the attack on Oct 7 in their statements and called those attacks a legitimate form of resistance then those ones are the Nazis.   Not all are though.

Don't underestimate how psychopathic some of these students and other pro-Palestine supporters are.  Some absolutely support Hamas.  I've known several progressives, even non-Muslims, who believe Oct 7 and the slaughter of innocents that day was a legit form of resistance.

[I am Groot]

38 minutes ago, eyeball said:

As I posted earlier...

Hate crimes in Canada are on the rise, with police-reported incidents increasing significantly in recent years, more than doubling between 2019 and 2023.

Gee, that wouldn't relate to how many newcomers have come over at all, would it? Or the rise of the fashionable trannies? But Jews are the most targeted group. There's not that many of them yet there are four times as many hate crimes committed against them as against the next most targeted religious group.

38 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So you also believe billions of human beings have been harbouring these feelings forever but they only started expressing them after Oct 7?

Oh, no, they've been expressing them for decades. Especially in the Muslim world, where hatred of Jews is overwhelmingly the norm. But they've felt freer to express their hatred since Oct 7 because so many lefty types have become enthralled with Palestinians as the 'underdog' and their tiny brains can only think of hating whoever is the winner in any conflict. This is similar to how they loathe Western culture and countries like Canada, the UK and the US because their ancestors were so successful. The Left has been completely taken over by identity politics and the victim culture.

[I am Groot]

8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

When certain university groups failed to condemn the attack on Oct 7 in their statements and called those attacks a legitimate form of resistance then those ones are the Nazis.   Not all are though.

Don't underestimate how psychopathic some of these students and other pro-Palestine supporters are.  Some absolutely support Hamas.  I've known several progressives, even non-Muslims, who believe Oct 7 and the slaughter of innocents that day was a legit form of resistance.

Even some gay union leaders. And if nothing else tells us how brainless the Left is it's the 'queers for Palestine' bunch, championing a group that would cheerfully throw them off a building if they could. Feminist lefties refusing to criticize the mass rape, torture, and murder of women in Israel, refusing to ever mention that Muhammed married a six-year-old, refusing to condemn Muslim societies that require women to cover themselves so as not to arouse men, refusing to condemn Muslim nations that don't give women equal rights. As long as they see a people as the sacred oppressed victim, they will never criticize them no matter what they do.