Conservatives Unanimous in Condemning Antisemitism in Canada

[Moonlight Graham]

The letter is below.   There's nothing controversial in the letter.  The majority of Liberal MP's who didn't sign this letter are vile cowards worried more about votes and backlash from antisemites than protecting Jewish minorities in this country from hatred and violence.  They've turned their backs on the Jewish community.

The Liberal Party has no honour or integrity or courage and don't represent Canadian values or liberal democratic values. They prove it time and again.  They're pandering to hateful antisemites FFS.  How can people keep voting for a party unwilling to defend our basic democratic values when it's politically inconvenient to them?  This is a pretty big story IMO.

 

[Venandi]

8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The letter is below.   There's nothing controversial in the letter.  The majority of Liberal MP's who didn't sign this letter are vile cowards worried more about votes and backlash from antisemites than protecting Jewish minorities in this country from hatred and violence.  They've turned their backs on the Jewish community.

The Liberal Party has no honour or integrity or courage and don't represent Canadian values or liberal democratic values. They prove it time and again.  They're pandering to hateful antisemites FFS.  How can people keep voting for a party unwilling to defend our basic democratic values when it's politically inconvenient to them?  This is a pretty big story IMO.

 

Eyeball... which part of the original letter quoted above do you object to?

Edited September 5, 2025 by Venandi

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Venandi said:

Go spend 2 years there and you won't need to look shi% up either.

I've lived next door to what was once referred to as a reserve for 50 years now. I have a pretty good idea what dispossession, subjugation and oppression look like.  Canada was instrumental in giving Israel instructions on how to do it. Unfortunately they took it a little to far and now they're mired in a forever war.

Notice how we and much of the world are becoming mired in it too, either through material and moral support or having to deal with the increasingly pervasive divisiveness the conflict has caused and worsened. Mostly, no surprise, along conservative and progressive lines.

Your perspective is far from being special. I recall the day I took the boat out to a rock with about 300 sealions on it. I asked some Israelis who were on board what sort of wild animals they had at home. Gazans was the immediate retort and to which his companions all laughed while the other half of the boat fell uncomfortably silent. That was over 20 years ago now.

Netanyahu was right when he said this conflict is global. It was well down that road decades ago.

[Venandi]

33 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Your perspective is far from being special.

Half of my extended family is native. 

During the 50 years you refer to how many rocket attacks and suicide bombings took place? 

Still curious though:

4 hours ago, Venandi said:

which part of the original letter quoted above do you object to?

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Venandi said:

Eyeball... which part of the original letter quoted above do you object to?

The part that says since Oct 7 hatred against Jews has skyrocketed around the world and the part that doesn't include any mention of other minorities facing hatred in Canada.

I think it's pretty clear sympathy increased for Israel following Oct 7 but it started falling when the death toll of Palestinians began skyrocketing, especially the manner in which it's skyrocketed.

It also seems clear to me that the number and scale of protests by young people at universities around the world is just naturally made worse when their governments, provide moral and material support to Israel. These kids are not Nazis. 

Rabidly calling and characterizing any sympathy shown towards Palestinians as being equal to hatred for Jews just pours gasoline on everything.

Does anti-Semitism exist? Of course it does. No one is saying it doesn't.

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, Venandi said:

During the 50 years you refer to how many rocket attacks and suicide bombings took place? 

None at all. In fact it was about 48 years ago when a fellow from the village came walking up the road, a little on the nukchoo side and happily hollering 'It's all mine' at the top of his lungs. I was out in the yard when he went by and I asked how he was doing and what he meant? He said "You didn't get the letter? It says it's all mine! They're giving it all back!" he said as he waved his arm around and wandered off.

It was another 20 years before what he was saying sunk in. I also know what reconciliation looks like. It's a long process. We became pretty good buddies over time. I had to give up fishing along the way as part of the deal but it is what it is.

[eyeball]

I often wonder if the ME conflict is fuelling uncompromising partisan division in countries like ours or if it's the other way around?

We're just starting to get a head full of steam here really. And of course we haven't seen anything yet.

[CouchPotato]

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 Rabidly calling and characterizing any sympathy shown towards Palestinians as being equal to hatred for Jews just pours gasoline on everything.

Does anti-Semitism exist? Of course it does. No one is saying it doesn't.

What does that have to do with a letter condemning antisemitic incidents in Canada? Why not condemn it?

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"From attacks on synagogues, Jewish schools and monuments, Jewish-owned businesses, Jewish community organizations and lately individual Jews themselves, antisemitism is becoming normalized."

This is what Housefather is referring to. Nothing about criticism of Israel here. Why would 80% of the party refuse to condemn this?

Edited September 6, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Moonlight Graham]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

My guess is that they reject the premise that the criticism of Israel is the same as anti-Semitism.

Judging by some of the conservatives around here Conservatives are not accurately representing or reflecting their supporters.

The letter isn't about criticism of Israel, the letter is about condemning attacks on Jews and their schools, businesses etc in retribution for things going in Israel.    You don't attack random Jews for their race or religion or even their political views.  The attacks are abhorrent and hateful and highly illegal and unacceptable in a liberal democracy.  It is Nazi Germany-era behaviour.

Every Canadian should agree with this letter, and those who don't need to be condemned in the harshest terms as the supporters of mob violence, terrorism, and antisemitism that they are.

You can read the letter.  Do you agree or disagree with the letter?   Do you condemn the Liberal MP's who refused to sign it?

[CouchPotato]

5 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The letter isn't about criticism of Israel, the letter is about condemning attacks on Jews and their schools, businesses etc in retribution for things going in Israel.    You don't attack random Jews for their race or religion or even their political views.  The attacks are abhorrent and hateful and highly illegal and unacceptable in a liberal democracy.  It is Nazi Germany-era behaviour.

That's been pointed out to him several times now. It's a big circular argument he keeps making. Now that you've pointed out this again, he will go back to the argument about how they won't sign it because it's not inclusive enough of other minorities. 

Edited September 6, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Moonlight Graham]

54 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The part that says since Oct 7 hatred against Jews has skyrocketed around the world and the part that doesn't include any mention of other minorities facing hatred in Canada.

LOL are you kidding me?   So when MLK Jr criticized racism against African-Americans you disagree with the speeches where he didn't mention other races being discriminated against?   And when indigenous people criticize the Canadian government's racism and mistreatment against their people you don't agree with their words either because they don't also mention the government's mistreatment of other groups?

Sorry but your reply is absolutely racism and you've ventured into antisemitic double-standards here.   Do better.

Edited September 6, 2025 by Moonlight Graham

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Sorry but you've ventured into antisemitic double-standards here.   Do better.

Now he goes back to the argument that it's all about criticism of Israel.

[Moonlight Graham]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Wearing a keffiyeh is an act of anti-Semitism these days.

The letter says nothing about wearing a keffiyeh.  You're simply making up lies and every other excuse for why the Liberals didn't sign it.

This letter was made in reaction to a recent attack in Ottawa where an old man stabbed an old Jewish woman he didn't know and is being investigated as a hate-crime because he made antisemitic comments online.

Edited September 6, 2025 by Moonlight Graham

[eyeball]

21 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

What does that have to do with a letter condemning antisemitic incidents in Canada? Why not condemn it.

It would be more sincere if it was condemned alongside all other hate crimes.

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

This is what Housefather is referring to. Nothing about criticism of Israel here.

Good grief man, it's underscored by the clear unambiguous reference to Oct 7 in the letter.

Criticism of Israel due to Israel's response to Oct 7 has skyrocketed around the world, not anti-Semitism.

WTF don't you people get about that?

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

It would be more sincere if it was condemned alongside all other hate crimes.

See. Same circular argument. I will point out that people make condemnations of attacks on all kinds of individual groups all the time. And then you will revert to the argument about criticism of Israel. 

I find it hard to believe that you honestly think that Liberals aren't signing this condemnation because its not inclusive enough.

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Good grief man, it's underscored by the clear unambiguous reference to Oct 7 in the letter.

Criticism of Israel due to Israel's response to Oct 7 has skyrocketed around the world, not anti-Semitism.

He says that incident of antisemitism have increased since October 7th and gives examples, none of which include criticism of Israel.

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The letter isn't about criticism of Israel, the letter is about condemning attacks on Jews and their schools, businesses etc in retribution for things going in Israel. 

Netanyahu said it best, it's gone global.

I see little reason however not to believe the taxmes of the world aren't taking advantage of the situation. Like arsonists and climate change.

Peas and carrots - shit and disturbers.

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

LOL are you kidding me?

Nope. Do better dealing with it than calling me a racist. Go fùck yourself in the meantime.

[eyeball]

19 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The letter says nothing about wearing a keffiyeh.  You're simply making up lies and every other excuse for why the Liberals didn't sign it.

And you steadfastly insist on maintaining that the criticism of Israel equals anti-Semitism and hatred of Jews.

It's bullshit.

[CouchPotato]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Nope. Do better dealing with it than calling me a racist. Go fùck yourself in the meantime.

Awww. He's all mad now.

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

And you steadfastly insist on maintaining that the criticism of Israel equals anti-Semitism and hatred of Jews.

It's bullshit.

Now when did he do that?

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

See. Same circular argument. I will point out that people make condemnations of attacks on all kinds of individual groups all the time. 

No, I see you saying I will go circular for an argument you still haven't even made.

18 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

And then you will revert to the argument about criticism of Israel.

When are you going to actually respond to that argument?

Are you of the opinion Palestinians have no legitimate grievances and that Israel has nothing whatsoever to account for?

19 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

He says that incident of antisemitism have increased since October 7th and gives examples, none of which include criticism of Israel.

And I said the taxmes of the world are taking advantage of the situation. Like arsonists and climate change.

Peas and carrots - shit and disturbers.

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Now when did he do that?

He often does when I criticize Israel.

Now I fully admit I've heard Graham admit to the legitimacy of Palestinian grievances but he  caves to his emotions and ideology and just can't seem to help himself.

He used to be more compromising but something got to him...maybe during COVID... something left wing whatever it was.

[CouchPotato]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

When are you going to actually respond to that argument?

It is irrelevant to the topic, which is why won't the Liberals condemn acts of antisemitism in Canada?

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And I said the taxmes of the world are taking advantage of the situation.

Do you mean acts of antisemitism? Then why not sign the letter condemning it? Pretty simple, eh?

Now, you will go back to argument about how the letter isn't inclusive enough.

Edited September 6, 2025 by CouchPotato

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Nope. Do better dealing with it than calling me a racist. Go fùck yourself in the meantime.

Your response was racist and applied double-standards you don't apply to any other discriminated race and I showed why.  That's on you, not me.

Do you agree with the contents of the letter or not?  You already said no, but I'll give you another shot and give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually didn't read the letter.  If you say no again i'm going to call you a racist again unless you can show me something legitimately wrong with the letter.  If you dodge the question I will consider that a "no".  The very fact that you're defending these cowardly Liberal MP's as you are is telling though.

Jewish MP wants multi-partisan condemnation of recent anti-Jewish violence against Jews like schools, synagogues etc   What's the conspiracy exactly?

There's nothing political about Israel in the letter.   If the letter was condemning recent violence against indigenous people or black Canadians the Liberal MP's would all sign.  Those Liberal MP's aren't only cowards they're racists too.  These are the people with racist double-standards running this country the last 10 years.  We can all see the races the woke progressives are more eager to support or not.   They've become the mirror image of everything they fought against the last 2 centuries.

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

And you steadfastly insist on maintaining that the criticism of Israel equals anti-Semitism and hatred of Jews.

It's bullshit.

LOL i've never said that and you can't produce any quote showing such.