Florida to ban ALL vaccine mandates

[Boges]

41 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Bullshìt. I spent 2 weeks in the ICU because of it. That is, however, a very tiny percentage of reactions. 

Small risks  are still risks. That said, I gave my kid the MMR. That was a choice, as it should be. It shouldn't be a mandate.

It should be if you're using a public service like a school. 

[gatomontes99]

27 minutes ago, Boges said:

It should be if you're using a public service like a school. 

Why do you get to tell people they should have to take a risk because you deemed the risk acceptable? 

Edited September 10, 2025 by gatomontes99

[Boges]

8 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Why do you get to tell people they should have to take a risk because you deemed the risk acceptable? 

Because when it comes to herd immunity, it's a shared risk. Some people can't have the vaccine. The more people that opt out the chances the disease can re-gain a foothold. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

It should be if you're using a public service like a school. 

Public schools are not a choice; they are a government-run monopoly. 

IF you are willing to say people who choose not to get vaccinated can instead get a voucher or tax credit to use at a school of their choice instead? 

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Because when it comes to herd immunity, it's a shared risk. Some people can't have the vaccine. The more people that opt out the chances the disease can re-gain a foothold. 

So you want to mandate the vaccine even though you know it is harmful to some and it isn't as effective as claimed?

[Shady]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

It should be if you're using a public service like a school. 

For younger people the risk of something like myocarditis from the covid vaccine is actually greater than severe covid, so there's really no point in getting younger people vaccinated for covid.

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

For younger people the risk of something like myocarditis from the covid vaccine is actually greater than severe covid, so there's really no point in getting younger people vaccinated for covid.

Not talking about COVID. My kids never got the COVID vaccine, but they certainly got their scheduled childhood vaccines from the pediatrician. 

[CdnFox]

On 9/4/2025 at 10:05 AM, Boges said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/vaccines-schools-florida-1.7624370

I don't think people should be forced to take the flu shot or the COVID vaccine. 

But you SHOULD have to get the MMR vaccine if you want to access public services. These are diseases that were thought to be eradicated, and now because uninformed conspiracy theorists think "Bit Pharma" is out to get them. 

This will be a huge FOFA moment for Florida. 

No medical procedure should ever be forced.

I don't mind making people jump through hoops a little bit for an exemption. In Ontario for example your vaccines were requirement in order to attend school, but you could apply in writing for an exemption based on religious or personal beliefs.

That meant people who genuinely did not believe in the vaccinations had a path out but it wasn't as simple as ignoring the mandate. And that's fair.

But forcing people to take any medical treatment that they don't want to is just inappropriate in a free society.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

But forcing people to take any medical treatment that they don't want to is just inappropriate in a free society.

Just like with COVID, no one is getting a needle administered against their will. 

But this Florida law makes it illegal for any organization to require vaccines. So it swings the pendulum in the exact opposite direction. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Not talking about COVID. My kids never got the COVID vaccine, but they certainly got their scheduled childhood vaccines from the pediatrician. 

Yeah so did I and so did all my family and the children today still do. 

But it should be a choice. There is only two people who are absolutely responsible for the child and that is the parents. Or in the absence of parents a lawful guardian. Unless we are giving ownership of our children over to the state the parents must have the final say.

Any other solution you might come up with has to work within that, and must not be a form of coercion

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Not talking about COVID. My kids never got the COVID vaccine, but they certainly got their scheduled childhood vaccines from the pediatrician. 

Yeah so did I and so did all my family and the children today still do. 

But it should be a choice. There is only two people who are absolutely responsible for the child and that is the parents. Or in the absence of parents a lawful guardian. Unless we are giving ownership of our children over to the state the parents must have the final say.

Any other solution you might come up with has to work within that, and must not be a form of coercion

[herbie]

Should it be 'a choice' if your kid needs a blood transfusion too?

Do you have a warehouse full of iron lungs you're hoping to rent out when these idi0ts get their way?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

Just like with COVID, no one is getting a needle administered against their will. 

 

If they are being coerced it's no different and let's not pretend otherwise. The courts have long upheld that coercion is force

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But this Florida law makes it illegal for any organization to require vaccines. So it swings the pendulum in the exact opposite direction. 

That's inevitable, and overreaction one way inevitably leads to an overreaction in the other . But it would be equally true to say that the law does not forbid any organization to require vaccines unless somebody signs a paper saying that they don't want to. Which is how the law has been handled in Canada for ages before covid.

So it works can still encourage people and educate people but they can't compel people. Which is probably reasonable

[Aristides]

On 9/10/2025 at 6:56 AM, gatomontes99 said:

Why do you get to tell people they should have to take a risk because you deemed the risk acceptable? 

If an immune compromised kid who can't be vaccinated walks into a kindergarten that has one unvaccinated kid infected with measles, there is a 90% chance that compromised kid will be infected within a couple of hours. Getting vaccinated isn't all about you.

Edited September 13, 2025 by Aristides

[gatomontes99]

40 minutes ago, Aristides said:

If an immune compromised kid who can't be vaccinated walks into a kindergarten that has one unvaccinated kid infected with measles, there is a 90% chance that compromised kid will be infected within a couple of hours. Getting vaccinated isn't all about you.

What dummy parent would send an immune compromised child to a germ factory? 

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

What dummy parent would send an immune compromised child to a germ factory? 

So they just have to hide at home? Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Pertussis and Chicken Pox were all but made extinct until the anti vax nonsense took hold. Now they are having a Renaissance.

[Aristides]

On 9/9/2025 at 8:43 AM, Shady said:

It’s depends on the risks from the vaccine.  I would probably just continue to workout, sleep well, eat healthy and take supplements like vitamin D and zinc.  I don’t get sick very much.

I guess you will never get old and be more vulnerable either.

[Aristides]

I can't believe this id!ot Florida Surgeon General saying who is he to be telling people what to put in their bodies. He's the surgeon general, it's his fvcking job to be telling people what they should be putting in their bodies.

[Aristides]

On 9/5/2025 at 9:32 AM, Shady said:

I've had measles.  It was literally just like the flu.  Go watch the Brady Bunch episode about measles and see how society used to view it.  Now everything is a health crisis.  It's ridiculous.

Did you ever have chicken pox? If you did you better get vaccinated for shingles because it is nasty.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

So they just have to hide at home?

Your argument is that other parents should take risks because there might be a kid somewhere that has it bad and they would be less bad if everyone else took a risk.

I am sorry, but no. Kids with problems handling viruses should be isolated. The other kids should live normal lives. They shouldn't have to accommodate others by force majeure.  

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Aristides said:

So they just have to hide at home? 

That would seem to make sense. The vaccines are no guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. The kid can still catch the illness. So presumably they would homeschool or perhaps there's some facility where kids who are medically compromised like that can go with a much higher screening policy or the like. 

 

[Aristides]

12 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That would seem to make sense. The vaccines are no guarantee by any stretch of the imagination. The kid can still catch the illness. So presumably they would homeschool or perhaps there's some facility where kids who are medically compromised like that can go with a much higher screening policy or the like. 

 

Actually the childhood vaccines are 99% effective.

[herbie]

Years have gone by and the same people who didn't get vaxxed are still claiming the govt forced them to get one.
And by doing so spread their stupidity.

[LinkSoul60]

Questioning the effectiveness of vaccines....  God bless America 😂

[User]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

Actually the childhood vaccines are 99% effective.

Sigh... overstating things like this doesn't help. No, not every childhood vaccine is 99% effective. I say this as someone who supports childhood vaccines. 

 

[User]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

Years have gone by and the same people who didn't get vaxxed are still claiming the govt forced them to get one.
And by doing so spread their stupidity.

The government did force people to get the vaccine, even trying to target nearly every working person in the country, but the courts halted this effort due to the Biden administration's abuse of OSHA regulations.