Chrissy1979 Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 18 hours ago, CdnFox said: I'm quite correct Awww did you do a web search and realize i was right and then scuttle back here with your tail between your legs and simply throw that out to distract? LOLOL Poor chrissy. It never takes you more than a post or so to wind up looking like trailer trash does it Nope. It took me 30 seconds to find a historic example: Manitoba in 2011. But I realize you guys need to always portray yourselves as victims. I guess it’s a way to disguise being a sexual predator. https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2011/08/18/backcountry-ban-draconian 1 Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 53 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Yes. In fact it's usually the very excuse given by all authoritarians. People can't be trusted to care for themselves therefore the state must make their decisions and care for them instead. For their own safety they must give up their rights and surrender those rights to the state who is much better equipped to protect them. the first thing any dictator or authoritarian group does is declare an emergency and then claim they're the ones who can fix it "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ben franklin. Sad pathetic little man.... You and the other fools with little common sense who are concerned about their rights can go for a walk down the street if it's that's important. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted August 12, 2025 Author Report Posted August 12, 2025 38 minutes ago, Chrissy1979 said: Nope. It took me 30 seconds to find a historic example: Manitoba in 2011. But I realize you guys need to always portray yourselves as victims. I guess it’s a way to disguise being a sexual predator. https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/2011/08/18/backcountry-ban-draconian Umm, no sweetie That was not a province wide ban. It applied to only a specific area AND there were active fires in the general area. it was nothing like the current ban LOLOLOL Well i do appreciate you taking the time to prove you're a twat But honestly it wasn't necessary, we knew. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Chrissy1979 Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Umm, no sweetie That was not a province wide ban. It applied to only a specific area AND there were active fires in the general area. it was nothing like the current ban LOLOLOL Well i do appreciate you taking the time to prove you're a twat But honestly it wasn't necessary, we knew. The "specific area" was the forested part of the province. Whether there are active fires is irrelevant. If it's a tinderbox waiting to be burned, it takes minutes for "freedom fighters" like you to light it up and beg the government to send in first responders to rescue you. Not that it makes any difference to a shut-in like you. You haven't been outside since the 1960s, have you, fatty? 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted August 12, 2025 Author Report Posted August 12, 2025 Just now, Chrissy1979 said: The "specific area" was the forested part of the province. Nope. There are forests in every part of the province Was it a province-wide dan? Nope. For their active fires that were causing problems that prompted it? Yep was it the same thing as a province-wide ban That denied people any Wilderness Area? Nope. Is it the same thing? Nope And again you could actually get permits to go into any of the areas, you just had to explain your reasoning and if it was sensible they allowed it LOL but it's always funny to watch you double down on the stupid Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Chrissy1979 Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 16 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nope. There are forests in every part of the province Was it a province-wide dan? Nope. For their active fires that were causing problems that prompted it? Yep was it the same thing as a province-wide ban That denied people any Wilderness Area? Nope. Is it the same thing? Nope And again you could actually get permits to go into any of the areas, you just had to explain your reasoning and if it was sensible they allowed it LOL but it's always funny to watch you double down on the stupid Yes, you can parse tiny differences in the policy. But it comes down to the fact that restricting wilderness access is nothing new and just a safety measure---not an attempt to take away your freedom. But feel free to continue to play the victim. It's very masculine. 😂 Quote
Army Guy Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 On 8/11/2025 at 2:55 PM, LinkSoul60 said: I'll ask, again.... where is the link/proof that vaccine stockpiles haven't been replenished? Facts are facts and it shows Canada had the second least amount of covid deaths amongst G10 countries. Do you dispute that? I've not mentioned vaccines stock piles as they are a time expired item...what i did mention was medication supply lines, medical supplies and medical machines such as ventilators, held in warehouses for national emergency...And i can not find any sources that prove my statement.... No i don't dispute that, but your using that as some measuring stick that does not compare everything equally...Canadian government did not perform well during the pandemic, there are many many mistakes and over sights that were made....and Canada record should be attributed to it's people not to the government that bungled most issues within the crises... Quote And we need to ask, what can we mirror from our successes going forward? For example, a central goal is to prevent viral transmission — we did that over the first two years with some of the most restrictive policies around business and school closures, and restrictions on public gatherings. We used a hammer. But with the clear understanding now that COVID-19 is aerosolized, we can take steps to both protect people and keep much of society functioning. That means having the highest vaccination possible, focusing on cleaning the air through improved ventilation and filtration, and wearing a mask indoors during periods of higher viral transmission. Closing schools and businesses again should only be an absolute last resort if all else fails and we are in crisis. Quote What our data does show is that Japan’s successes weren’t due to public health measures in general or vaccination. So, we need to look elsewhere. Japan is a fairly homogenous population and doesn’t have any land borders. Researchers are looking into whether there could be some immunity due to genetics or previous coronavirus infections. They also have a very strong cultural acceptance of mask wearing. Maybe their adherence to this was much better as they recognized much earlier in the pandemic that the virus was aerosolized. https://temertymedicine.utoronto.ca/news/canadian-covid-19-deaths-second-lowest-among-g10-nations-u-t-researchers Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: I haven't read it myself but you said it has to do with emergency services not being available if needed. Considering and protecting the welfare of citizens is authoritarianism? Its not authoritarianism, its using a hammer to solve an issue that just requires a little common sense...banning anything in the woods province wide is using a hammer considering how many fires are currently burning in the province, combined they do not even compare to one of BC smallest fires...IS there a complete ban in BC, ALberta, Sask, Manitoba..., there are local bans, but NO provincial wide bans... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: I've not mentioned vaccines stock piles as they are a time expired item...what i did mention was medication supply lines, medical supplies and medical machines such as ventilators, held in warehouses for national emergency...And i can not find any sources that prove my statement.... No i don't dispute that, but your using that as some measuring stick that does not compare everything equally...Canadian government did not perform well during the pandemic, there are many many mistakes and over sights that were made....and Canada record should be attributed to it's people not to the government that bungled most issues within the crises... So therefore, your comments of the government forgetting and/or disregarding lessons learned by not warehousing adequate supplies is conjecture only, right.... Isn't death the ultimate measuring stick? We had lesser cases of infection than most countries as well because of the restrictions. Could they have done better, yes but they also didn't fail. Sorry but not following how you can say the record is attributed to the Canadian people when the Canadian and/or Provincial governments set forth the policies that people adhered to. Either way and again, I'd like to think we'll be better prepared for the next pandemic simply from lessons learned during this past one. Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Its not authoritarianism, its using a hammer to solve an issue that just requires a little common sense...banning anything in the woods province wide is using a hammer considering how many fires are currently burning in the province, combined they do not even compare to one of BC smallest fires...IS there a complete ban in BC, ALberta, Sask, Manitoba..., there are local bans, but NO provincial wide bans... What is so difficult to understand about 'protecting the welfare of citizens'? Those governments have made their decisions and have applied those restrictions which is well within their authority. End of story.... 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 1 minute ago, LinkSoul60 said: So therefore, your comments of the government forgetting and/or disregarding lessons learned by not warehousing adequate supplies is conjecture only, right.... Isn't death the ultimate measuring stick? We had lesser cases of infection than most countries as well because of the restrictions. Could they have done better, yes but they also didn't fail. Sorry but not following how you can say the record is attributed to the Canadian people when the Canadian and/or Provincial governments set forth the policies that people adhered to. Either way and again, I'd like to think we'll be better prepared for the next pandemic simply from lessons learned during this past one. Yes they are conjecture as i can not find a source to support my argument, but on the same hand so are yours in regards to your statement. Shorty answer no , it is not the measuring stick becasue we are including athe entire pandemic response not just the deaths....I just gave you an example of Japan, which had much less infections and deaths than Canada with a much larger population base, proving it can and was done.....with much less restrictions and governmental expenditures........I also gave you a Canadian example of a medical facility admitting to our government restrictions as using a hammer of solutions....there opinion not mine... We are all patting the liberal government on their performance during the pandemic, but it was Canadians that were the stars on the ice , not the government who were more reactive than proactive .... That is the difference between me and you, "you hope", and pray everything will be all right....coming from a military background there is no hoping or praying, just planning and execution of the plan...even the boy scouts of Canada moto was be prepared...I've dealt with emergency preparedness before during the Winnipeg floods and ontario ice storm...and they don't have much....and what they do have is old or expired...and i doubt that a new liberal party leader has changed all of that in his short time in power... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 8 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: What is so difficult to understand about 'protecting the welfare of citizens'? Those governments have made their decisions and have applied those restrictions which is well within their authority. End of story.... What is so difficult to understand it is using a hammer to kill a fly of a problem....within their authority sure it is...but it lacks common sense...why has the other provinces which are really burning, why have they not followed suit...was it they did not think of it, or perhaps they thought it was not necessary....lets also take into account these fires size, and how many they are....BC smallest fire is much larger than all the fires here in NB put together...and does BC have a province wide ban, on anything happening in the woods ?... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Yes they are conjecture as i can not find a source to support my argument, but on the same hand so are yours in regards to your statement. Shorty answer no , it is not the measuring stick becasue we are including athe entire pandemic response not just the deaths....I just gave you an example of Japan, which had much less infections and deaths than Canada with a much larger population base, proving it can and was done.....with much less restrictions and governmental expenditures........I also gave you a Canadian example of a medical facility admitting to our government restrictions as using a hammer of solutions....there opinion not mine... We are all patting the liberal government on their performance during the pandemic, but it was Canadians that were the stars on the ice , not the government who were more reactive than proactive .... That is the difference between me and you, "you hope", and pray everything will be all right....coming from a military background there is no hoping or praying, just planning and execution of the plan...even the boy scouts of Canada moto was be prepared...I've dealt with emergency preparedness before during the Winnipeg floods and ontario ice storm...and they don't have much....and what they do have is old or expired...and i doubt that a new liberal party leader has changed all of that in his short time in power... No conjecture on my part.... The death and infection rate is fact. Yes you mentioned Japan, which I'm sure you read was also an outlier in the low covid death rate. They had the lowest rate amongst G10 countries, Canada was next best. You keep forgetting the obvious though..... we haven't been through a pandemic like this in our lifetimes so the government errored on the side of caution, which is their responsibility to the citizens. Because of political bias you keep falling back to conjecture, that you've admitted, yet keep saying we're not prepared. You admit you don't know that for fact but keep saying it. I'm at a loss of how to reply in any other way than I have multiple times... Quote
CdnFox Posted August 12, 2025 Author Report Posted August 12, 2025 1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said: Yes, you can parse tiny differences in the policy. But it comes down to the fact that restricting wilderness access is nothing new and just a safety measure---not an attempt to take away your freedom. But feel free to continue to play the victim. It's very masculine. 😂 It's a massive difference, there's no comparison And denying people access to the entire province Until October is absolutely something new. Sorry kiddo, once again you look uneducated and stupid by choice Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 30 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: No conjecture on my part.... The death and infection rate is fact. Yes you mentioned Japan, which I'm sure you read was also an outlier in the low covid death rate. They had the lowest rate amongst G10 countries, Canada was next best. You keep forgetting the obvious though..... we haven't been through a pandemic like this in our lifetimes so the government errored on the side of caution, which is their responsibility to the citizens. Because of political bias you keep falling back to conjecture, that you've admitted, yet keep saying we're not prepared. You admit you don't know that for fact but keep saying it. I'm at a loss of how to reply in any other way than I have multiple times... No one is disputing the death and infection rate....what is disputed is everything else our government did during this pandemic...That outlier is proof that Canada did not have to use the hammer solution, to achieve much better results at much cheaper costs....which proves my point in spades... Here is the obvious....Canada has been through a pandemic in out life times...as per the source below... https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/pandemic Also Canada has close ties to the UN WHO organization which is made up of the world's leading expert in this type of medical issues...Canada has men and women Canadian in this organization all of them with lots of experience in pandemics...not to mention plenty of other western world nations doing things much differently and suffering less deaths or expenses.... Government took the extreme route, when common sense was the road to take...even our own medical system has said that...And you keep saying or rather "hoping" which is not better than my remarks... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted August 12, 2025 Report Posted August 12, 2025 4 minutes ago, Army Guy said: No one is disputing the death and infection rate....what is disputed is everything else our government did during this pandemic...That outlier is proof that Canada did not have to use the hammer solution, to achieve much better results at much cheaper costs....which proves my point in spades... Here is the obvious....Canada has been through a pandemic in out life times...as per the source below... https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/pandemic Also Canada has close ties to the UN WHO organization which is made up of the world's leading expert in this type of medical issues...Canada has men and women Canadian in this organization all of them with lots of experience in pandemics...not to mention plenty of other western world nations doing things much differently and suffering less deaths or expenses.... Government took the extreme route, when common sense was the road to take...even our own medical system has said that...And you keep saying or rather "hoping" which is not better than my remarks... So where are we with this back and forth.... Canada had low death and infected rates yet things could have been done better. Okay. I wasn't around in 1920 for the influenza pandemic and guessing you weren't either. I did forget about the H1N1 though. HIV/Aids is primarily transmitted sexually or through sharing of needles so that's easier to mitigate. If it's going to continue that our government has forgotten and disregarded lessons learned with no facts at all to substantiate, I'm tapping out. And I'm only saying 'hope' because of what I just said.... I'd 'hope' that we learned lessons, but neither I nor you have any facts to back anything up. 1 Quote
Chrissy1979 Posted August 13, 2025 Report Posted August 13, 2025 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: It's a massive difference, there's no comparison. Right. How can you vompare completely banning people from wilderness trails in a drought emergency with…completely banning people from wilderness trails in a drought emergency? Quote
Barquentine Posted August 13, 2025 Report Posted August 13, 2025 (edited) 18 hours ago, CdnFox said: denying people access to the entire province Until October is absolutely something new. Don't let the facts get in your way, be more Trumpian! No one has denied people access to the entire province. And these bans have happened before. I know these facts don't fit your self-pitying narrative but I think you'll survive (If the fires don't get ya). Sorry kiddo, once again you look uneducated and stupid by choice! Edited August 13, 2025 by Barquentine adding text 2 Quote
Shady Posted August 13, 2025 Report Posted August 13, 2025 23 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: I haven't read it myself but you said it has to do with emergency services not being available if needed. Considering and protecting the welfare of citizens is authoritarianism? It’s not their job to “protect” people. I have never given them authority to restrict rights based on the availability of emergency personnel. Where’s that law exist? Quote
Nefarious Banana Posted August 13, 2025 Report Posted August 13, 2025 6 minutes ago, Shady said: It’s not their job to “protect” people. I have never given them authority to restrict rights based on the availability of emergency personnel. Where’s that law exist? Go into the bush during a closure, accidentally start a fire that burns down a house/town, or a firefighter or two gets creamated . . . what then? Oh well, tough sh!t Quote
LinkSoul60 Posted August 13, 2025 Report Posted August 13, 2025 1 minute ago, Shady said: It’s not their job to “protect” people. I have never given them authority to restrict rights based on the availability of emergency personnel. Where’s that law exist? A core function of government is protecting the well-being and security of its citizens. That includes the miltitary, law enforcement, emergency services, health services, etc.... and in this case putting restrictions in place. That's not a law, it's what we entrust governments with and to make those decisions on our behalf. Quote
Army Guy Posted August 13, 2025 Report Posted August 13, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said: A core function of government is protecting the well-being and security of its citizens. That includes the miltitary, law enforcement, emergency services, health services, etc.... and in this case putting restrictions in place. That's not a law, it's what we entrust governments with and to make those decisions on our behalf. So judging by your responses all the other provinces which have fires are not protecting the well being of their citizens by not banning people from the woods. Or perhaps they are not using a sledge hammer approach to their fires and instead a more balanced, or common sense approach. It was never about fires, it is about emergency services not being available for some reason...The excuses are getting stranger every day...fire departments are still operating, Ambulance services are still out there in full numbers, police are still active, Off Road enforcement is is active....every department is still at 100 % with exception of a few local areas....where fires are. The fire below is the largest in NB, there is a picture of the size of the fire to put it into perspective...it is pretty small. the other fires are much smaller than this one, NB which has well over 7 million hectares of forested land, this fire is 240 hectares which is the largest https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-government-wildfire-miramichi-1.7605227 Edited August 13, 2025 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CouchPotato Posted August 13, 2025 Report Posted August 13, 2025 (edited) I know when I go hiking I usually end up with several broken bones, so I am glad Susan Holt is protecting me. She should just outright ban us from hiking at all times, now that I think of it. And then what if you break a bone cycling on the street or skateboarding.... that could be a drain on emergency services as well. We should just ban everything. Edited August 13, 2025 by CouchPotato 1 Quote
CouchPotato Posted August 13, 2025 Report Posted August 13, 2025 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Army Guy said: The fire below is the largest in NB, there is a picture of the size of the fire to put it into perspective...it is pretty small. the other fires are much smaller than this one, NB which has well over 7 million hectares of forested land, this fire is 240 hectares which is the largest That article is from Aug 9. The fire was up to 1100 hectares yesterday. I think it's close to 1400 today last I checked. That said, I think the restrictions on simply going in the woods are overboard. Edited August 13, 2025 by CouchPotato Quote
CdnFox Posted August 13, 2025 Author Report Posted August 13, 2025 8 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said: Right. How can you vompare completely banning people from wilderness trails in a drought emergency with…completely banning people from wilderness trails in a drought emergency? Only by lying, which is precisely what you just did How can you comprare banning people from specific areas where there are active fires during a time when your resources are stretched fighting those fires long enough to get the fires under control, to preemptively banning an entire province for an entire summer till mid october. That's the question And the answer is you can't. But i wouldn't expect honesty from someone like you who supports rapists for president. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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