More denying immigrants their basic human rights.

[blackbird]

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MANZINI, Eswatini (AP) — Five immigrants deported by the United States to Eswatini in a secret deal last month had served their criminal sentences before they were sent to be held in a prison in the African country, a lawyer working on their cases said Friday.

The Eswatini lawyer also said the men from Cuba, Jamaica, Laos, Yemen and Vietnam sent to southern Africa under President Donald Trump's third-country deportation program have been denied access to legal representation while being held in Eswatini's main maximum-security prison.

The lawyer, Sibusiso Nhlabatsi, said he hasn't been allowed to see the men and that he filed court papers Thursday against the head of Eswatini's correctional services department and the country's attorney general, demanding access to them.

He said he is representing them on behalf of lawyers in the U.S. and was prevented from seeing them by Eswatini prison officials on July 25. It's unlawful for the men, who have been in Eswatini for around two weeks, to be denied access to a lawyer, he added.

The Eswatini government has said the men will be held in solitary confinement until they can be deported to their home countries, which could take up to a year.

“They have served their sentences,” Nhlabatsi told The Associated Press. “If a person has committed a crime and they have served a sentence, why are you then keeping them in a prison?”

Nhlabatsi said the men have not been able to communicate with their families or receive visitors since arriving in Eswatini, although prison officials said they were in the process of setting up devices to allow them to speak with their families.

He alleged their ongoing detention could have legal implications for Eswatini, a small country bordering South Africa and one of the world’s last absolute monarchies, ruled by a king accused of cracking down on dissent.

The Trump administration has come under scrutiny for its choice of African countries to strike deportation deals with. It deported eight immigrants described as violent criminals to South Sudan in early July in an operation that was halted by a legal challenge in the U.S. The eight were held for weeks in a converted shipping container at an American military base in nearby Djibouti while the case was decided. A Supreme Court ruling eventually cleared the way for them to be sent to South Sudan."

Lawyer says he's not been allowed to see 5 immigrants deported by the US to a prison in Eswatini

[gatomontes99]

35 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The Eswatini lawyer also said the men from Cuba, Jamaica, Laos, Yemen and Vietnam

But...but...but...I thought Orange Man Bad only deported Latinos? 

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

But...but...but...I thought Orange Man Bad only deported Latinos? 

Did Trump tell you that? 

That explains why you believed it. LMAO

[gatomontes99]

53 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Did Trump tell you that? 

That explains why you believed it. LMAO

Nope  you told me that. Now you called yourself a liar. 

[herbie]

Now they've deceived the masses that deporting means sending people to where they didn't come from, it's only a small step for them to accept just shipping them out to sea and pushing them overboard.

Muah ah ah!

 

[User]

We need an Eswatini section of the forum where you can complain there. 

[blackbird]

Tragic that some people think it's ok to send migrants to a dictatorship like Eswatini in Africa where they are arbitrarily imprisoned in solitary confinement and it could be up to year before they are shipped to their original countries.  They were not convicted of any crime to warrant this.  Plus they were denied legal representation.  There are a number of violations of human rights here.  The Trump administration likely paid the Eswatini government to take them as they did with El Salvador.  The deal was done in secret.

[Nationalist]

Sooo...you Libbies dont like the consequences of your own stupidity. 

What a surprise...enjoy.

[herbie]

Well stated. Only libbies give a shit about human rights. You sure f*cking don;t.

[User]

14 hours ago, blackbird said:

Tragic that some people think it's ok to send migrants to a dictatorship like Eswatini in Africa where they are arbitrarily imprisoned in solitary confinement and it could be up to year before they are shipped to their original countries.  They were not convicted of any crime to warrant this.  Plus they were denied legal representation.  There are a number of violations of human rights here.  The Trump administration likely paid the Eswatini government to take them as they did with El Salvador.  The deal was done in secret.

Tragic that people like you support this open borders madness that has encouraged and led to this complete lawlessness mess that Trump is now left to clean up. 

Go complain to Eswatini

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

Well stated. Only libbies give a shit about human rights. You sure f*cking don;t.

Cry for me Sally.

[User]

12 hours ago, herbie said:

Well stated. Only libbies give a shit about human rights. You sure f*cking don;t.

So, how many illegal immigrants are you harboring in your home then?

No, liberals like you don't actually give any shits, you just utter worthless words about it. 

[Nationalist]

OK... 

@blackbird and @herbie and...for what it's worth... @robosmith...

Please clarify what you mean by "basic human rights"?

And just so we all play on the same field, as far as I'm concerned, "basic human rights" are:

1. The right to be born. To be given an opportunity to live in the physical reality on earth.

2. The right to free will.

That's it. The rest, to me, are "perks" we grant ourselves and have all sorts of qualifying rules to define levels of any given "perk". 

For instance, many believe people have a right to food and water. But apparently the quality and quality of these commodities depend entirely on who and where you are. Indeed the Palestinians in Gaza are learning that very lesson right now. According to Israelis, they do not have that right. Are they wrong? If either side is wrong, how can food and water be a "basic right"?

So boys, ifin y'all wanna quibble 'bout ur "basic human rights", ur-a gonna have t' define and justify these "rights".

Your serve.. 

Edited August 2, 2025 by Nationalist

[robosmith]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Sooo...you Libbies dont like the consequences of your own stupidity. 

What a surprise...enjoy.

The STUPIDITY was the MAGA CULT who voted for Trump's LIES.

The are regretting that NOW which is why Trump's approval is TANKING.

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

OK... 

@blackbird and @herbie and...for what it's worth... @robosmith...

Please clarify what you mean by " basic human rights"?

And just so we all play on the same field, as far as I'm concerned, "basic human rights" are:

1. The right to be born. To be given an opportunity to live in the physical reality on earth.

2. The right to free will.

That's it. The rest, to me, are "perks" we grant ourselves and have all sorts of qualifying rules to define levels of any given "perk". 

For instance, many believe people have a right to food ans water. But apparently the quality and quality of these commodities depend entirely on who and where you are. Indeed the Palestinians in Gaza are learning that very lesson right now. According to Israelis, they do not have that right. Are they wrong? If either side is wrong, how can food and water be a "basic right"?

So boys, ifin y'all wanna quibble 'bout ur "basic human rights", ur-a gonna have t' define and justify these "rights".

Your serve.. 

I pity the fools who live with you in Canada. Do you even have rights in your version of a Constitution? LMAO

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The STUPIDITY was the MAGA CULT who voted for Trump's LIES.

The are regretting that NOW which is why Trump's approval is TANKING.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/26/democrats-approval-rating-poll-00478141

Have a little reality.

11 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I pity the fools who live with you in Canada. Do you even have rights in your version of a Constitution? LMAO

OK...so @robosmith cannot define "basic human rights".

Next?

[CdnFox]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

"

MANZINI, Eswatini (AP) — Five immigrants deported by the United States to Eswatini in a secret deal last month had served their criminal sentences before they were sent to be held in a prison in the African country, a lawyer working on their cases said Friday.

The Eswatini lawyer also said the men from Cuba, Jamaica, Laos, Yemen and Vietnam sent to southern Africa under President Donald Trump's third-country deportation program have been denied access to legal representation while being held in Eswatini's main maximum-security prison.

The lawyer, Sibusiso Nhlabatsi, said he hasn't been allowed to see the men and that he filed court papers Thursday against the head of Eswatini's correctional services department and the country's attorney general, demanding access to them.

He said he is representing them on behalf of lawyers in the U.S. and was prevented from seeing them by Eswatini prison officials on July 25. It's unlawful for the men, who have been in Eswatini for around two weeks, to be denied access to a lawyer, he added.

The Eswatini government has said the men will be held in solitary confinement until they can be deported to their home countries, which could take up to a year.

“They have served their sentences,” Nhlabatsi told The Associated Press. “If a person has committed a crime and they have served a sentence, why are you then keeping them in a prison?”

Nhlabatsi said the men have not been able to communicate with their families or receive visitors since arriving in Eswatini, although prison officials said they were in the process of setting up devices to allow them to speak with their families.

He alleged their ongoing detention could have legal implications for Eswatini, a small country bordering South Africa and one of the world’s last absolute monarchies, ruled by a king accused of cracking down on dissent.

The Trump administration has come under scrutiny for its choice of African countries to strike deportation deals with. It deported eight immigrants described as violent criminals to South Sudan in early July in an operation that was halted by a legal challenge in the U.S. The eight were held for weeks in a converted shipping container at an American military base in nearby Djibouti while the case was decided. A Supreme Court ruling eventually cleared the way for them to be sent to South Sudan."

Lawyer says he's not been allowed to see 5 immigrants deported by the US to a prison in Eswatini

And? Sounds like they got due process in the states, how is the states responsible for what some third world country does?

This may be a case of denying people their human rights but it's not a case of America doing that. Guess they should have behaved better when they were in America and not face deportation

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And? Sounds like they got due process in the states, how is the states responsible for what some third world country does?

This may be a case of denying people their human rights but it's not a case of America doing that. Guess they should have behaved better when they were in America and not face deportation

They were obeying the law.  They were deported secretly so their was no such thing as due process.

Their rights were violated in several ways.

They were arrested and sent to a country which is not a country that recognizes human rights.   There was no due process behind doing this.

There is no democratic rights where they were sent.  It is an absolute dictatorship.

They were imprisoned without having committed any crime and told they could be there for a year with no due process.

They were put in solitary confinement and denied any contact with family or lawyers.

So yes, their human rights were totally violated.  It doesn't take a genius to see that.

That's what you get for electing someone who could care less about human rights.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

And just so we all play on the same field, as far as I'm concerned, "basic human rights" are:

1. The right to be born. To be given an opportunity to live in the physical reality on earth.

2. The right to free will.

There are lots of human rights that you never mentioned.

In this case, this is what happened.

They were obeying the law.  They were deported secretly so there was no such thing as due process.

Their rights were violated in several ways.

They were arrested and sent to a country which is not a country that recognizes human rights.   There was no due process behind doing this.

There is no democratic rights where they were sent.  It is an absolute dictatorship.

They were imprisoned without having committed any crime and told they could be there for a year with no due process.

They were put in solitary confinement and denied any contact with family or lawyers.

So yes, their human rights were totally violated.  It doesn't take a genius to see that.

That's what you get for electing someone who could care less about human rights.

 

It is a human right not to be arrested and sent off to prison and solitary confinement without being convicted of crimes that warrant it.   If the police arrested you and threw you in solitary confinement in some African dictatorship with no family contact or lawyer, you might begin to understand what human rights you are being deprived of.

Edited August 2, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

47 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And? Sounds like they got due process in the states, how is the states responsible for what some third world country does?

Don't be such an ass.  The U.S. admin had complete control and is totally responsible for sending them their where they are imprisoned in solitary confinement.  Of course the U.S. is responsible.

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There are lots of human rights that you never mentioned.

In this case, this is what happened.

They were obeying the law.  They were deported secretly so there was no such thing as due process.

Their rights were violated in several ways.

They were arrested and sent to a country which is not a country that recognizes human rights.   There was no due process behind doing this.

There is no democratic rights where they were sent.  It is an absolute dictatorship.

They were imprisoned without having committed any crime and told they could be there for a year with no due process.

They were put in solitary confinement and denied any contact with family or lawyers.

So yes, their human rights were totally violated.  It doesn't take a genius to see that.

That's what you get for electing someone who could care less about human rights.

 

It is a human right not to be arrested and sent off to prison and solitary confinement without being convicted of crimes that warrant it.   If the police arrested you and threw you in solitary confinement in some African dictatorship with no family contact or lawyer, you might begin to understand what human rights you are being deprived of.

So I suppose I'm expected to extrapolate front this, that residing anywhere you please, comfort and repetitive legal challenges are a "basic human right" as far as you're concerned?

Of course you do realize that's all just BS, don't you? History clearly shows that. You're conflating Liberal ideology with "basic human rights".

Perhaps your OP would have been more accurate had you made it a debate about "current liberal ideology"?

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So I suppose I'm expected to extrapolate front this, that residing anywhere you please, comfort and repetitive legal challenges are a "basic human right" as far as you're concerned?

Total nonsense.  You are ignoring the real facts.

I clearly told you already.  Pay attention.

Arresting someone and sending them to be incarcerated in a solitary confinement/prison without being charged and tried for an offence that warrants that is a basic violation of human rights.  If you can't see that, you are totally blind to reality.  No use trying to reason this with someone who won't acknowledge basic facts. 

[CdnFox]

33 minutes ago, blackbird said:

They were obeying the law.  .

The convicted criminals you mean?

Nope they broke the law and they were deported. They got all the due process they were entitled to

None of those rights you mentioned are particularly rights. Sorry.

I know you feel that people should be allowed to commit crimes without consequence. But that's just not the way it is. These are actual criminals and they were deported as they should have been. The fact that other countries treat them badly is of no interest. We can't be responsible for the actions of other countries.

It's really not complicated, if you come into the country and commit crimes they may make you leave. And that made turn out to be very inconvenient for you. So don't do that.

But I love that you've gone from defending people who you say aren't criminals other than they broke the law to come into the country and are now suggesting that actual convicted criminals should be given a free pass as well.

No mercy for criminals! Don't commit crimes, how hard is that?

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The convicted criminals you mean?

Nope they broke the law and they were deported. They got all the due process they were entitled to

No, they already completed their sentences for whatever previous offences they committed in their life.  They cannot be sent to some other country and imprisoned again for past offences that they already paid for.  

What you are saying is completely false.  

[blackbird]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No mercy for criminals! Don't commit crimes, how hard is that?

Meanwhile Trump pardoned how many criminals who had not even finished their sentences?  He himself is a convicted felon.  What punishment did he receive?  None as far as I know.

Now he is considering pardoning an old friend who was recently sentenced to 20 years, an acquaintance who is famous.  He might win a few brownie points from the guys' fans no doubt.  The admin couldn't care less about human rights and "justice".  

Talk about justice or lack of it.  Where is the justice in sending men to prison without any trial or due process?  And the gang doing this is working for a guy that just pardons criminals because they are his friends or are famous.  What a farce.  Your argument is meaningless and stupid.   You don't believe in justice at all.  You don't know what it is.  Be honest.

Edited August 2, 2025 by blackbird