Enbridge sees strong demand in U.S., hurdles in Canada - will invest in US for now.

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, August1991 said:

Agreed.

Natural gas turbines have the advantage of quick start for peak demand.

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I reckon that this CO2 fear/panic will become something similar to eugenics: True, but maybe we shouldn't trust experts.

I'm not even sure it's a case of trusting the experts or not, I think it's a problem of trusting the experts bosses. Only experts who say what the bosses want the narrative to be are allowed to speak, and then the bosses and the media tend to grossly misinterpret what they say.

Numerous people have asked numerous times of those who claim to support climate crisis here on this board to produce any actual raw science to show that it's a crisis or that we could do anything about it, and not once in the years i've seen that has anyone actually produced a single scrap of science. But there's thousands of go'vt and activist sights who SWEAR the science says just that........ but never actually produces any. 

[herbie]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

You're saying the environment is global?

Good to see that's finally starting to sink in.

Allegory is too hard to understand. 
China's still peeing in the pool why should we have to stop?
was in comprehensible to the slow witted. Just as paying that extra 17c just made them whine and not even try to reduce their use at all. IOW that 17c didn't matter S.F.A. as the oil companies are just pocketing it for themselves now and they stopped blubbering.

[herbie]

7 hours ago, August1991 said:

Natural gas turbines have the advantage of quick start for peak demand.

What gives you that idea? You think it has to do with jet engines and you just make the blases spin faster?

[CdnFox]

56 minutes ago, herbie said:

Allegory is too hard to understand. 
China's still peeing in the pool why should we have to stop?

And I noticed you couldn't answer the question. How pathetic do you have to be to try and defend yourself by mocking a legitimate question that you can't answer.

There is no climate crisis and you are living proof

[Army Guy]

On 8/2/2025 at 3:53 PM, Legato said:

Okay enlighten us oh fat bearded one.

What vision do you envisage?

the one that he can run around is neighborhood with just his underwear on and a red cape...is that the one...

[paxamericana]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I'm not even sure it's a case of trusting the experts or not

Batteries are actually less expensive than peaker plant. That’s why they’re replacing the natural gas peaker plants all over the US

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Batteries are actually less expensive than peaker plant. That’s why they’re replacing the natural gas peaker plants all over the US

So in other words they're supplemental. Sure, as I said renewable energy in the form of solar or wind etc can make excellent supplemental energy sources. And sure you can have some species of capacitor hold a very small amount of electrical charge to help with sudden load bursts.

But it would not be possible their current technology to build enough batteries in a reasonable fashion to allow for the storage of enough electricity to harvest what we need during the sunny times To last all the way through the winter. Or night time. California has tried.

So right now there is no possible way of replacing non-renewables with Renewables given our current technology.

To put it in perspective a 5 lb gas tank can hold enough energy and chemical form to propel a car comfortably for 700 km. The combined weight of the fuel and the tank is about 77 lbs

 

To go the same distance in a tesla you need a battery weight of about 1500 lbs. 

Our current battery tech simply does not allow for the efficient long term storage of electricity, OR the transportation of that electricity in the same way chemical fuel does. When it does, then we can easily switch, but before then it's just a sumpliment to the more traditional power sources

[paxamericana]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But it would not be possible their current technology to build enough batteries in a reasonable fashion to allow for the storage of enough electricity to harvest what we need during the sunny times To last all the way through the winter. Or night time. California has tried.

Most truely but while expensive it just mean that the places that can afford it will get it. Hint* the Americans. If you notice, Trump did not remove the IRA for batteries, this is because they allow us to double the energy output meeting peak demand usage hours. The long term solution will be solar paired to batteries, we just need a new battery chemistry. 

Edited August 4, 2025 by paxamericana

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Most truely but while expensive it just mean that the places that can afford it will get it. Hint* the Americans. If you notice, Trump did not remove the IRA for batteries, this is because they allow us to double the energy output meeting peak demand usage hours. The long term solution will be solar paired to batteries, we just need a new battery chemistry. 

America doesn't have it and can't afford it either

Don't feel bad, Canada would be in the same boat if we didn't have so much hydroelectric power. Fortunately we have absolute tons of that so we don't need to worry about it as much. But I'm afraid America is going to need new technology before it can move away from fossil fuels

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Most truely but while expensive it just mean that the places that can afford it will get it. Hint* the Americans. If you notice, Trump did not remove the IRA for batteries, this is because they allow us to double the energy output meeting peak demand usage hours. The long term solution will be solar paired to batteries, we just need a new battery chemistry. 

Just a word of advice...do try to shy away from the need for batteries. They too would become a real problem eventually. Go for constant feed technology. 

[paxamericana]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Go for constant feed technology. 

Can't, the AI data server have a square wave electricity demand profile. Constant rate would not work unless oversized. That would be a waste and prohibitively expensive. 

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

Can't, the AI data server have a square wave electricity demand profile. Constant rate would not work unless oversized. That would be a waste and prohibitively expensive. 

We have a constant feed now. Use it and research for a reliable constant feed that doesn't require burning carbon. The Tweenkies have forced us to do this backwards. Hence...you're thinking of batteries. 

The current rules stifle our energy feed and our prosperity.  Mirrors and windmills are not a solution...they are a semi-failed experiment. 

Edited August 4, 2025 by Nationalist

[herbie]

Can't servatives....

the rest of the world is doing it as we speak, but WE can't.... 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Can't servatives....

the rest of the world is doing it as we speak, but WE can't.... 

And they're going broke doing it.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Can't servatives....

the rest of the world is doing it as we speak, but WE can't.... 

Nobody in the world is doing it but of course a Liebral like you would say otherwise  

The conservatives haven't been in power in over 10 years and aren't in power now, if it's so easily doable why haven't the liberals done it? Why didn't the NDP make that their platform push instead of fake pharmacare?

Did you have anything other than lies to work with?

[herbie]

40 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And they're going broke doing it.

 

34 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody in the world is doing it

Where in hell do you come up with such shit? The fact you don't want to yourself. or don't want to believe you can or should is not a reason to dismiss what's in front of your face as false.
Your choice to discourage and prevent others from trying things is as abhorrent as you denial of them when they do.

That's rational ?

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, herbie said:

 

Where in hell do you come up with such shit? The fact you don't want to yourself. or don't want to believe you can or should is not a reason to dismiss what's in front of your face as false.
Your choice to discourage and prevent others from trying things is as abhorrent as you denial of them when they do.

That's rational ?

Yup.

There is no crisis.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

 

Where in hell do you come up with such shit? The fact you don't want to yourself. or don't want to believe you can or should is not a reason to dismiss what's in front of your face as false.
Your choice to discourage and prevent others from trying things is as abhorrent as you denial of them when they do.

That's rational ?

So what you're saying is you can't give one example of anybody doing it successfully and you're angry and you wanted to be my fault.

The technology isn't there Herbie. For all your hissy fits and laying on the floor and pounding your fists and kicking your feet the technology is still not there. I am 100% behind the idea of continuing to develop the technology, and I am at least 95% certain that we can get to the technology if we keep working at it.

But lying to yourself and blaming others just because you don't like the facts is not what an adult does! Grow up and stop being such a little piece of shit

[Moonbox]

On 8/1/2025 at 8:10 PM, Shady said:

The Liberals continue to lower our national income, prosperity and standard of living.  We used to be on par with the United States regarding per capita GDP when Trudeau was elected in 2015.  Now we’re 60%.  It’s so sad what the Liberals have done to this country.

Canada 2015:

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/can/canada/gdp-per-capita

USA 2015:

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/united-states/gdp-per-capita

😑

Canada has lagged behind the USA since the 1980's. 

It definitely got a lot worse under Trudeau though.  

[herbie]

Well it looks so when you look at the Covid years and blame Trudeau.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Well it looks so when you look at the Covid years and blame Trudeau.

My point was that Canada has a larger political and social/cultural problems when it comes to the economy.  The Liberals are not entirely to blame given it started under the Conservatives and has continued for ~40 years, it's also hard to understate how poorly of a job Justin did both nominally and relatively speaking.  Everyone experienced COVID.  Canada's economy came out particularly sluggishly.  

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Canada has a larger political and social/cultural problems when it comes to the economy

True. No party will campaign to reduce or end any. They'll pick a minor one like CBC and hope they'll gain support from those who think that will solve dick shit economically.
The US took 3 times the casualties and didn't face near the supply chain and inflation issues coming out of Covid. 

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, herbie said:

True. No party will campaign to reduce or end any. They'll pick a minor one like CBC and hope they'll gain support from those who think that will solve dick shit economically.
The US took 3 times the casualties and didn't face near the supply chain and inflation issues coming out of Covid. 

Their inflation was far worse than ours and their supply chain issues were as bad or worse as well

Read a book