Breaking: Epstein Victims' Lawyer Reveals the Epstein Estate has the 50th Birthday Book in FL

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

No where did I say any of that?

In your posts. There may be other places but that's the ones I know about

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 I said you can’t use unverified claims by Trump to prove Trump had no knowledge of Epstein’s behaviour. 

The burden of proof is on you to show that he did know of Epstein's Behavior. The very fact that you would suggest that it's up to him to prove that he didn't know what Epstein was up to demonstrates how badly off track you've gotten with this.

Does that go for everyone in your mind? Does everybody who knew Epstein at any point have to prove that they didn't know what he was up to? Cuz we're about to come back to Carney.

It is absolutely asinine to suggest that somehow the burden of proof has shifted . There's no evidence whatsoever that he knew about what Epstein was doing, and it's up to you to prove that something he said was false not for him to prove that it's true.

My god, what the hell has happened to you. You're one of the brighter people on the left on this board and you're completely falling apart

[User]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No where did I say any of that?  I said you can’t use unverified claims by Trump to prove Trump had no knowledge of Epstein’s behaviour. 

We can't prove you did not know about Epstein's behavior... 

See how this works?

 

[User]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

There were PICTURES of the girls topless with Trump in Epstein's house, and Trump is trying to HIDE THEM.

If Trump is hiding them, how do you know they exist? Why was Biden hiding them?

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

That is strong enough EVIDENCE to get the pictures RELEASED, IDENTIFIED and FIND OUT AGES, which is why Trump is BLOCKING THAT.

What evidence? You said he is hiding the evidence... so what evidence do you have?

 

[Nationalist]

5 hours ago, User said:

If Trump is hiding them, how do you know they exist? Why was Biden hiding them?

What evidence? You said he is hiding the evidence... so what evidence do you have?

 

They have zero.

On the other hand, there's lots of evidence to bury Hilary-Billary, Comey, and the rest of 'em.

Oh this will be so much fun.

Edited August 3, 2025 by Nationalist

[BeaverFever]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

In your posts. There may be other places but that's the ones I know about

Nope never said that 

[BeaverFever]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The burden of proof is on you to show that he did know of Epstein's Behavior. The very fact that you would suggest that it's up to him to prove that he didn't know what Epstein was up to demonstrates how badly off track you've gotten with this.

I didn’t say that either. But the two points I will keep hitting home on

1) Republicans have made it their brand to suggest dozens of conspiracies about the Clintons, Obamas, Bides, the 2020 election and more based on far flimsier and much more circumstantial connections so it’s hilarious that when the show is on the other foot they’re once again taking the “innocent until proven guilty, how dare you suggest someone has committed wronging if they haven’t been convicted” argument  And I will add that Republicans ESPECIALLY tried to associate Bill Clinton with Epstein and stoked all kinds of democrat child trafficking conspiracies for the past 20 years even though Bill’s connections to Epstein are a minuscule fraction of Trump’s  

So as Ive said before live by the sword, die by the sword, reap what you sow, lie in the bed yo made, take a dose of your own medicine, etc  

2) The Trump administration’s SUDDEN decision not to release the Epstein file AFTER Trump is briefed on how much his name appears in them is worthy of discussion  given his long and close ties to Epstein and Epstein’s vision  Especially given the latest news that the Epstein prison video  from the night of his death which the administration claimed was “raw and unedited” was in fact found to be an edited screen grab and has a full minute of video cut out, which they keep changing the explanation on   
 

 

[BeaverFever]

9 hours ago, User said:

We can't prove you did not know about Epstein's behavior... 

See how this works?

You can’t prove that Joe Biden knew anything about any of Hunter’s business deals or that any of Hunter’s deals were illegal. But that doesn’t stop Republicans now does it?

 

See how that works?

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, User said:

If Trump is hiding them, how do you know they exist?

Because all the files from the Southern District of NY were transferred to the FBI Main Office in DC.

9 hours ago, User said:

Why was Biden hiding them?

Biden didn't know about ANY of this from SDNY since he wasn't directing the FBI like Trump as been through Blondi. Duh

9 hours ago, User said:

What evidence? You said he is hiding the evidence... so what evidence do you have?

Pam Blondi said it was ON HER DESK after she demanded all the files from SDNY. Duh

[User]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

You can’t prove that Joe Biden knew anything about any of Hunter’s business deals or that any of Hunter’s deals were illegal. But that doesn’t stop Republicans now does it?

 

See how that works?

And when you are backed into the corner: CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!!!!!

 

[User]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Because all the files from the Southern District of NY were transferred to the FBI Main Office in DC.

This does not prove the existence of pictures of Trump as you claimed, just mere "files"

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Biden didn't know about ANY of this from SDNY since he wasn't directing the FBI like Trump as been through Blondi. Duh

So... the FBI under Biden was working to hide and cover up for Trump? 

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Pam Blondi said it was ON HER DESK after she demanded all the files from SDNY. Duh

Said what was on her desk? Not what you claimed. 

[CdnFox]

12 hours ago, robosmith said:

There were PICTURES of the girls topless with Trump in Epstein's house, and Trump is trying to HIDE THEM.

What girls? Name them. I have absolutely no doubt that trump has in fact spent time in the presence of girls who are naked. That is not a crime.

And I suspect if anyone's trying to hide them it would be them or their families who probably aren't excited about those pictures getting out into the wild.

It might be distasteful for someone like trump in his 50s to be fooling around with naked 20-year-olds, but it certainly not illegal. Not even 18 year olds

. So unless you actually have a name and can say how old she was when the picture was taken then you are completely 100% full of shit as usual

Your lies are underwhelming

 

46 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Nope never said that 

Totally said that and now you are trying to rewrite the meaning of what you said. If you find yourself being embarrassed by what you said such a short time later, consider what you're saying more carefully before you say it in the first place

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I didn’t say that either. But the two points I will keep hitting home on

 

Did say that but let's move on to your point that you want to make now

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1) Republicans have made it their brand to suggest dozens of conspiracies about the Clintons, Obamas, Bides, the 2020 election and more based on far flimsier and much more circumstantial connections so it’s hilarious that when the show is on the other foot they’re once again taking the “innocent until proven guilty, how dare you suggest someone has committed wronging if they haven’t been convicted” argument  And I will add that Republicans ESPECIALLY tried to associate Bill Clinton with Epstein and stoked all kinds of democrat child trafficking conspiracies for the past 20 years even though Bill’s connections to Epstein are a minuscule fraction of Trump’s  

So as Ive said before live by the sword, die by the sword, reap what you sow, lie in the bed yo made, take a dose of your own medicine, etc  

 

First off there aren't even close dozens. I doubt you could name one dozen.

I'm the only conspiracy theory that didn't turn out to have actual evidence to back it up that has yet to be discredited is that Obama was born in kenya, which i think everyone knew wasn't serious  

But other than that I doubt you could name six conspiracies that have turned out not to be at least strongly backed by fact. The hunter Biden notebook? Turned out to be true. Hunter Biden selling influence? The emails say true which isn't enough for criminal conviction is but certainly meets the bar a balance of probabilities. Hillary Clinton and her email server? Completely true. Fine getting old and confused? 100 billion percent true. Bill Clinton being rapey? At a percent true.

So where are all of these unfounded rumors or accusations or conspiracies?

Meanwhile we have actual proof now that both hillary and Obama unlawfully weaponized the state's intelligence services to attack a political opponent by fraudulently creating a Russian scandal. That is now factual

So it would seem your first point is 100 percent full of shit. 

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2) The Trump administration’s SUDDEN decision not to release the Epstein file AFTER Trump is briefed on how much his name appears in them is worthy of discussion  given his long and close ties to Epstein and Epstein’s vision  Especially given the latest news that the Epstein prison video  from the night of his death which the administration claimed was “raw and unedited” was in fact found to be an edited screen grab and has a full minute of video cut out, which they keep changing the explanation on   

Again factually incorrect. That was the recommendation of the authorities, they went to him and said don't release the files because it's got a lot of names in here people who will be very hurt who are absolutely likely innocent including victims . Remember that the Epstein files are not files kept by Epstein, they are the investigation conducted into Epstein and include every wild rumor or suggestion of who may have been involved including victims who it turns out aren't even victims, and if you release the information you wind up doing a lot of harm.

And that is standard practice.

So once again your point is absolute bullshit. It would be a gross injustice for trump to release the files in their entirety.

What he has said is he'll go through I'm release anything credible. I'm presumably not involving the names of victims or people Impacted

Biden could have released it all as well, so if there was anything interesting That proved trump was guilty it would have been released then.

 

What you can say is trump wide and hyped up the idea that there was this client list and he was going to release all the names and we were going to get all the bad guys, that's not turning out to be true. And that's very trump. What must be a shock to him is that people are actually holding him to account for that or is usually he lies left yesterday and right today and people let it slide

[BeaverFever]

On 8/3/2025 at 2:09 PM, CdnFox said:

I'm the only conspiracy theory that didn't turn out to have actual evidence to back it up that has yet to be discredited is that Obama was born in kenya, which i think everyone knew wasn't serious  

Oh so the Clintons murdered people over real estate transactions?

The Clintons were trafficking children with Epstein?  

The Clintons vandalized the white house and defecated in the hallways before Bush moved in?

Hillary “sold 20% of America’s nuclear arsenal to Russia?”  

Obamacare resulted “government death panels sentencing patients to death?  

Obama “sent children to socialist reeducation camps?” 

Planned Parenthood sold aborted fetuses for profit?

Hillary committed some sorry if email crime that got covered up after Bill Clinton bumped into the attorney  general in an airport?

The Democrats rigged the 2020 election?

The Bidens embezzled millions of dollars in Ukraine and elsewhere?

Covid lockdowns were an excuse to transform the country into a communist state ?

Vaccines are dangerous and/or were a plot for Population control?

The Gretchen Whitmar kidnapping plot was orchestrated by the FBI?

The Jan 6 insurrection was nothing but a peaceful self guided tour and the rioters are innocent political prisoners?

Climate change is a hoax to transform the country into a Communist state?

 

 

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Oh so the Clintons murdered people over real estate transactions?

Possibly, But show me where that was the official republican position

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The Clintons were trafficking children with Epstein?  

Fairly likely but again show me where that was the official republican position

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The Clintons vandalized the white house and defecated in the hallways before Bush moved in?

Guaranteed, but again show me where that was the official republican position

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Hillary “sold 20% of America’s nuclear arsenal to Russia?”  

God know she sold everything else, but where was that the official republican position?

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Obamacare resulted “government death panels sentencing patients to death?  

Depending on how you look at it, but again where was that the official republican position

12 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Obama “sent children to socialist reeducation camps?” 

Guarantee. But again where is that the official republican position

 

So basically by republican you mean somebody somewhere on the internet.

Dude you're so full of shit your eyes are brown. None of these are republican positions. And some of them you're taking legitimate things that actually happened and trying to twist them into nonsense.  Hillary did sell ore to the russians for example. 

Stop being such a lying scumbag

 

[BeaverFever]

On 8/3/2025 at 2:09 PM, CdnFox said:

The hunter Biden notebook? Turned out to be true. Hunter Biden selling influence? The emails say true which isn't enough for criminal conviction is but certainly meets the bar a balance of probabilities. Hillary Clinton and her email server? Completely true.

Hunters laptop didn’t prove any criminal activity or the Bidens selling evidence. Hillary’s email server didn’t either and the fact that Ivanka and Jared also used their own emails and Hegseth was sharing documents on signal just to impress friends and family to Republican shrigs shows it’s a non issue  

And of those can hold a candle to the lengthy ties between Trump and Epstein and Trumps own creepy behaviour. 

On 8/3/2025 at 2:09 PM, CdnFox said:

Meanwhile we have actual proof now that both hillary and Obama unlawfully weaponized the state's intelligence services to attack a political opponent by fraudulently creating a Russian scandal

No as a point of fact you DON’T have proof. Like not at all. The fact that you repeat this just shows how gullible and biased you are. 
 

On 8/3/2025 at 2:09 PM, CdnFox said:

Bill Clinton being rapey? At a percent true.

It’s not been proven to be true, unlike Trump being rapey which was upheld in court. Can you explain why you believe the unproven sex assault claims against Clinton but not the claims against “ you can do whatever you want to them, grab em by the ****” trump that were upheld in a civil court?

 

On 8/3/2025 at 2:09 PM, CdnFox said:

Again factually incorrect. That was the recommendation of the authorities, they went to him and said don't release the files because it's got a lot of names in here people who will be very hurt who are absolutely likely innocent including victims .

That’s absolute baloney and you know it.  They could release the files with the innocent names redacted.  Especially when they released the Hunter Biden files and didn’t seem to have any of those concerns  

 

On 8/3/2025 at 2:09 PM, CdnFox said:

What he has said is he'll go through I'm release anything credible. I'm presumably not involving the names of victims or people Impacted

No he said “oh look at this gibberish nonsense we just “discovered” about Barack Obama from 10 years ago!”  And “Nobody cares about Epstein change the subject!”

 

On 8/3/2025 at 2:09 PM, CdnFox said:

Biden could have released it all as well, so if there was anything interesting That proved trump was guilty it would have been released then.

I don’t think there’s anything that is absolutely incriminating but probably shows how close he was with Epstein, details other sexual activity Trump engaged in while partying with Epstein suggests that he was present when Epstein’s underage girls were there, possibly incriminates other prominent republicans   Stuff he’d rather people not know. 
 

 

On 8/3/2025 at 1:33 PM, User said:

And when you are backed into the corner: CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!!!!!

 

Not at all just pointing out your failed logic and hypocrisy 

[User]

8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Not at all just pointing out your failed logic and hypocrisy

Except… you didn’t do either. 

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Hunters laptop didn’t prove any criminal activity or the Bidens selling evidence. Hillary’s email server didn’t either and the fact that Ivanka and Jared also used their own emails and Hegseth was sharing documents on signal just to impress friends and family to Republican shrigs shows it’s a non issue  

I'm sorry but that's not true. All the burden of proof for criminal charges weren't met with the information gathered about Biden from the emails or testimony provided by others it certainly more than enough for the burden of 'clear and convincing' proof. 

 

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And of those can hold a candle to the lengthy ties between Trump and Epstein and Trumps own creepy behaviour. 

There's not a hint or even a suggestion that trump knew about Epstein or participated in any way. Now they were friends but you know what, literally every pedophile out there has a bunch of really great friends that have absolutely no idea what the guy is up to. pedophiles are good at that.

And the fact that you're down to nothing but what about isn't is proof positive but you know you're in the wrong

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No as a point of fact you DON’T have proof. Like not at all. The fact that you repeat this just shows how gullible and biased you are. 
 

It’s not been proven to be true, unlike Trump being rapey which was upheld in court. Can you explain why you believe the unproven sex assault claims against Clinton but not the claims against “ you can do whatever you want to them, grab em by the ****” trump that were upheld in a civil court?

 

That’s absolute baloney and you know it.  They could release the files with the innocent names redacted.  Especially when they released the Hunter Biden files and didn’t seem to have any of those concerns  

 

No he said “oh look at this gibberish nonsense we just “discovered” about Barack Obama from 10 years ago!”  And “Nobody cares about Epstein change the subject!”

 

I don’t think there’s anything that is absolutely incriminating but probably shows how close he was with Epstein, details other sexual activity Trump engaged in while partying with Epstein suggests that he was present when Epstein’s underage girls were there, possibly incriminates other prominent republicans   Stuff he’d rather people not know. 
 

 

Not at all just pointing out your failed logic and hypocrisy 

 

Basically all lies and bullshit. Show me a court civil or otherwise that found trump guilty of rape. Never happened

And no they can't release the files with the innocent names redacted. How do you know who's innocent? What they can do and what they have said they would do is go through and try and find the information which was credible, but that's not what you really want

And we already knew the information about Obama, this just proves the point. And we knew that Hillary created the fake dossier.

This is all stuff that everyone knew but now has been backed up by solid evidence.

There's not going to be anything in the file that shows that trump was aware of any girls age or did anything inappropriate. I'm sure he was around when one or two of the girls were around, and you and I both know that you can't tell looking at a 16 year old that she's not an 18 year old. Dress them up a bit and even 14 year olds these days look like they're over age, and it's not like trump would have asked. Epstein liked them young but that's not the same as liking them underage.

But at least you drop the complete bullshit about the republicans having all of these conspiracy theories that never happened

Edited August 5, 2025 by CdnFox

[Chrissy1979]

CDNFOX thinks the raping of children is the best part. That was always why he was a Trumper.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said:

CDNFOX thinks the raping of children is the best part. That was always why he was a Trumper.

Awww Chrissy  Still having your little fantasies are you?   

I think calling a 16 year old a 'child' might be a little far but you were probably younger than that when whomever it was that 'touched' you got ahold of you. Seems like you still have fantasies about it to this day!

[SpankyMcFarland]

From an optics point of view, Trump was ill-advised to speak baldly and repeatedly of the Epstein affair as a “Democrat hoax”. Epstein’s victims gathered at the Capitol today. The obvious reply occurred:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jeffrey-epstein-survivors-set-speak-capitol-hill/story?id=125211468

Khanna and Massie have 216 votes and need only two more to force a public vote on releasing the files. Mace, Boebert and Mad Marge herself all support this move. For Republicans it is opening a divide along gender lines.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/three-republicans-defy-trump-back-140907988.html

Anybody trying to stop full disclosure now is on a fool’s errand. 
 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[robosmith]

58 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

From an optics point of view, Trump was ill-advised to speak baldly and repeatedly of the Epstein affair as a “Democrat hoax”. Epstein’s victims gathered at the Capitol today. The obvious reply occurred:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jeffrey-epstein-survivors-set-speak-capitol-hill/story?id=125211468

Khanna and Massie have 216 votes and need only two more to force a public vote on releasing the files. Mace, Boebert and Mad Marge herself all support this move. For Republicans it is opening a divide along gender lines.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/three-republicans-defy-trump-back-140907988.html

Anybody trying to stop full disclosure now is on a fool’s errand. 

Except Trump will just order the DoJ to defy whatever the House passes and BLONDI WILL JUST BURY IT. 🤮

Who is going to stop them?

The ONLY thing that might put an end to this (impeachment) is never going to happen until Democrats control the House. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

17 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Except Trump will just order the DoJ to defy whatever the House passes and BLONDI WILL JUST BURY IT. 🤮

Who is going to stop them?

The ONLY thing that might put an end to this (impeachment) is never going to happen until Democrats control the House. 

Trump is as sure-footed on Epstein as he is on the subject of favourite verses from the Bible but in this instance he can’t get away with claiming his opinions are too personal to reveal. Very late in life he ended up leading a political party that he still does not fully understand. 

[User]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

From an optics point of view, Trump was ill-advised to speak baldly and repeatedly of the Epstein affair as a “Democrat hoax”.

Well, it helps if you don't argue against a strawman. 

Trump was not calling it a hoax that Epstein actually engaged in his criminal and awful behavior, but that it was a Democrat hoax that he was somehow withholding the files for some nefarious reason. 

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

31 minutes ago, User said:

Well, it helps if you don't argue against a strawman. 

Trump was not calling it a hoax that Epstein actually engaged in his criminal and awful behavior, but that it was a Democrat hoax that he was somehow withholding the files for some nefarious reason. 

 

Straw man? That’s exactly how some of the victims interpreted what he said. Show me Trump speaking with nuance every time he brings this matter up in the manner you suggest, detailing exactly what he means and doesn't mean by Democrat hoax like a normal politician could, and I might take your objection more seriously. As for ‘some nefarious reason’…well it’s not just Dems who are becoming suspicious at this stage as I pointed out above. Quite a few Republicans and people with no political affiliation want to see the files released. Details of any victim who doesn't want to be identified can easily be redacted. We don’t know what’s there but pressure is mounting to find out what they contain. Of course there are many reasons other than evidence of personal wrongdoing that Trump might want the files withheld. 
 

 

Edited September 4, 2025 by SpankyMcFarland

[User]

9 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Straw man? That’s exactly how some of the victims interpreted what he said. Show me Trump speaking with nuance every time he brings this matter up in the manner you suggest, detailing exactly what he means and doesn't mean by Democrat hoax like a normal politician could, and I might take your objection more seriously. As for ‘some nefarious reason’…well it’s not just Dems who are becoming suspicious at this stage as I pointed out above. Quite a few Republicans and people with no political affiliation want to see the files released. Details of any victim who doesn't want to be identified can easily be redacted. We don’t know what’s there but pressure is mounting to find out what they contain. Of course there are many reasons other than evidence of personal wrongdoing that Trump might want the files withheld. 
 

 

Perception is just that. 

You are not interested in the obvious facts, you just want to push some absurd literal take to get Trump, which is exactly what Trump was talking about the left doing with this whole thing. 

Its just dumb political theater.