Why is PM Carney and the Liberals dragging their feet on bail reform?

[blackbird]

This is a major issue affecting many victims and cities across Canada.  Yet Carney says and does nothing about it.

A young woman in Kelowna BC was assaulted by her estranged husband or boyfriend not long ago.  The judge released the accused man on bail even though he tried to kill her.

Not long after that he beat her to death with a hammer.

Yet Carney and Liberals do nothing to change the bail laws that allow this kind thing to happen.

As I recall the police chiefs and police associations and Premiers across Canada urgently pleaded with the Trudeau government a number of years ago to do something about the failed bail system, but nothing was done.

This is urgent enough to recall Parliament and change the laws that allow this kind of thing to happen.  It would save lives and prevent more attacks.

Edited July 11, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This is a major issue affecting many victims and cities across Canada.  Yet Carney says and does nothing about it.

A young woman in Kelowna BC was assaulted by her estranged husband or boyfriend not long ago.  The judge released the accused man on bail even though he tried to kill her.

Not long after that he beat her to death with a hammer.

Yet Carney and Liberals do nothing to change the bail laws that allow this kind thing to happen.

As I recall the police chiefs and police associations and Premiers across Canada urgently pleaded with the Trudeau government a number of years ago to do something about the failed bail system, but nothing was done.

This is urgent enough to recall Parliament and change the laws that allow this kind of thing to happen.  It would save lives and prevent more attacks.

The fairness he was only in parliament for like 2 weeks before he decided to go on vacation. Just not enough time.

Nice people see something when they come back his attempt we don't then we need to start screaming. I see in the paper that guy extreme violence towards a woman got out of jail and that afternoon went and killed a woman. That story is becoming all too common

[Aristides]

It will be interesting to see what he will do when parliament comes back. The public really wants reform.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

It will be interesting to see what he will do when parliament comes back. The public really wants reform.

A lot of the public does, but there is still pretty solid core of liberals who don't want to see that go too far and still believe that locking people up is bad. He's got a bit of a tightrope tomorrow, and it's not the only one. He's got a bit of a tough road coming up for the next session especially if trump keeps up with this tariff business

[Venandi]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

A lot of the public does, but there is still pretty solid core of liberals who don't want to see that go too far and still believe that locking people up is bad.

Yes indeed, and I always wondered about the "a lot of people" aspect of this because it only seemed to be an actual election issue for conservatives even though most of my liberal acquaintances are just as appalled by the overall situation as I am. 

If I were to paraphrase what I've heard from them, it's certainly an issue but not one that has sufficient impact on their daily lives that they would vote conservative. Essentially, they're hard core liberal supporters and their support is unlikely to change now that JT is gone... he was the reason some of them toyed with the idea of crossing the floor.

Even liberal acquaintances in the shooting sports (they do exist BTW) who don't like the gun grab and can't fathom the thought process behind it seem willing to stay the course... the consensus here seems to be PP himself... they don't like him and won't vote conservative because of it (meaning him). It's worth noting that these folks are well established in the sport, they are not seeking to acquire more hardware and thus not (I'll say overly) adversely affected by the madness.

On the other hand, there aren't many liberals (meaning none I know of) at IPSC events, these folks are very much adversely affected by the grab and it's a pretty big issue because survival of the sport (in Canada) is now a topic of discussion. In this group, the absolute madness of the grab is a constant irritant.   

All anecdotal of course but most of my hobbies attract a wide variety of different people from different walks of life who simply share a common interest. As a group, they're far more sensible and polite than any of the "herb robo or flyer type critters you find here on the forum. You can actually talk to them.

My take on it  (for whatever that's worth) is that PP has maxed out at 41% and goes no further. The overall situation on a number of fronts would have to get much worse for that to change, either that or they would have to despise the incumbent liberal PM as much as they did JT. NDP voters are a wild card IMO, scare them and they'll jump ship, seems to me that was what had the biggest effect on the last election... sort of a balance of power thing. In future I suspect situations will be inflamed or invented to swing as many as possible to the liberal fold. Expecting them to ever vote conservative isn't in the cards IMO.

In other hobbies that are highly cross political I sense a similar perspective but political/religious discussions in that environment are universally left at the door (right next to the shoe rack). 

How's that for a completely uninformed anecdotal assessment?

Edited July 11, 2025 by Venandi

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Venandi said:

Yes indeed, and I always wondered about the "a lot of people" aspect of this because it only seemed to be an actual election issue for conservatives even though most of my liberal acquaintances are just as appalled by the overall situation as I am. 

If I were to paraphrase what I've heard from them, it's certainly an issue but not one that has sufficient impact on their daily lives that they would vote conservative. Essentially, they're hard core liberal supporters and their support is unlikely to change now that JT is gone... he was the reason some of them toyed with the idea of crossing the floor.

Even liberal acquaintances in the shooting sports (they do exist BTW) who don't like the gun grab and can't fathom the thought process behind it seem willing to stay the course... the consensus here seems to be PP himself... they don't like him and won't vote conservative because of it (meaning him). It's worth noting that these folks are well established in the sport, they are not seeking to acquire more hardware and thus not (I'll say overly) adversely affected by the madness.

On the other hand, there aren't many liberals (meaning none I know of) at IPSC events, these folks are very much adversely affected by the grab and it's a pretty big issue because survival of the sport (in Canada) is now a topic of discussion. In this group, the absolute madness of the grab is a constant irritant.   

All anecdotal of course but most of my hobbies attract a wide variety of different people from different walks of life who simply share a common interest. As a group, they're far more sensible and polite than any of the "herb robo or flyer type critters you find here on the forum. You can actually talk to them.

My take on it  (for whatever that's worth) is that PP has maxed out at 41% and goes no further. The overall situation on a number of fronts would have to get much worse for that to change, either that or they would have to despise the incumbent liberal PM as much as they did JT. NDP voters are a wild card IMO, scare them and they'll jump ship, seems to me that was what had the biggest effect on the last election... sort of a balance of power thing. In future I suspect situations will be inflamed or invented to swing as many as possible to the liberal fold. Expecting them to ever vote conservative isn't in the cards IMO.

In other hobbies that are highly cross political I sense a similar perspective but political/religious discussions in that environment are universally left at the door (right next to the shoe rack). 

How's that for a completely uninformed anecdotal assessment?

LOL well i do give more weight to anecdotal evidence than some actually, while the sample sizes may be small if one person's thinking it then others are too, so as a general 'take' it can be valuable,

Here's my thoughts.

As you say, the liberals supporters generally don't believe that crime affects their daily life. There is an old joke that a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. So while they have some sort of vague feeling that it's bad they don't emotionally invest in it. They will let crime continue if it means they can stay in power.

As far as the gun thing goes again, while there are liberal Shooters there aren't many and it's not a hell they care about enough to die on for the most part.

The one thing about liberals that's even more so than any other political party including the block or the NDP or the conservatives is that they are insanely tribal and will ignore or suffer their party doing things to them that no other party would tolerate. Conservatives would have kicked out their leader in the first year or two over the scandals Justin had but the liberals just kept supporting him.

 

As to the 41%, saying that's the cap as if it was a bad thing is crazy. 99% of the time that's a majority government. This election were extremely extraordinary circumstances where thanks to trump and a hell of a lot of lying by the now prime minister as well as abusing the fact that he became prime minister without a vote and a hell of a lot of cover-up by  elements of the MSM The liberals were able to get 43, but that is exceptionally rare.

And as to them just not liking Poilievre, let's get real. That is a complete and utter load of total bullshit. They will say that about whatever leader goes in place, they said that about sheer, they said that about harper, they said that about o'Toole, they will say that about any single person that the conservatives put in place. It's their go-to position. Oh I vote for conservative but whoever they put in place is a bad person so now I won't. Usually followed by I would have if they'd made Michael Chung leader    

They could literally vote in the Dalai Lama or Jesus as leader of the conservatives and the liberals would still be saying I just can't vote for that guy. Like I said I'm all the political parties they are by far the most tribal. Mark carney is running on a conservative platform, if mark carney had actually been leader of the conservatives every single liberal would hate his guts and say there's no way in the universe they could possibly vote for an investment banker whose job it was to hide money for the 1%. Plus he'd be a racist.

The real question will be 41%? If you can he's going to be prime minister if he can't then things get more dicy.

You're from now things are going to be worse. People still won't be able to afford homes and food the way that they could, we'll probably be in a significant recession, America will be beating up on us, and young people will be as desperate as they were before.

If the NDP manages to survive somehow and elect a new leader then NDP supporters who parked their vote with Carney and suddenly realize that maybe the investment banker who is cutting all of the government services and slashing spending and won't talk to them about Dental Care Etc wasn't such a great idea very well head back home. And Carney's actual base support is probably closer to 30%.

So we'll see

[BTDT]

13 hours ago, blackbird said:

This is a major issue affecting many victims and cities across Canada.  Yet Carney says and does nothing about it.

And neither did DH Trudeau. Look lets face it, Liberals live in Fantasy Land.

What really needs to happen is for the PM to be affected directly. Then maybe the laws will change.

I am a firm beiever in the 2nd, the stand your ground law and the castle doctrine. Break into my home, good luck!

Don't know if this link will work as I am not an Instagram user (or Facebook, etc), but it was sent to me by a friend and I was able to open it.

Bail...

Edited July 11, 2025 by BTDT

[herbie]

Most likely because - unlike Harper, they will make sure it won't immediately be struck down as unconstitutional.

Harper was happy to lo let the dunderheads in his party pass crime bills on a daily basis, it kept them distracted so he could get on with the job and run the country.

[blackbird]

Noticed ExFlyer gave me a thumbs down for the OP...  ????   what is the matter with this guy?  Is he brain dead?   Wants to let dangerous offenders out on bail after they attacked a woman???  Anyone who thinks that is ok needs to be locked up in a mental institution.

[Legato]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Noticed ExFlyer gave me a thumbs down for the OP...  ????   what is the matter with this guy?  Is he brain dead?   Wants to let dangerous offenders out on bail after they attacked a woman???  Anyone who thinks that is ok needs to be locked up in a mental institution.

Where do you think he's posting from.

[I am Groot]

On 7/10/2025 at 10:35 PM, Aristides said:

It will be interesting to see what he will do when parliament comes back. The public really wants reform.

Putting brown people in prison for any reason is racism. End of story.

[I am Groot]

On 7/11/2025 at 6:41 AM, Venandi said:

.. the consensus here seems to be PP himself... they don't like him and won't vote conservative because of it (meaning him).

Which is what the same types said about Harper, about Day, about Scheer, about O'Toole... 

Whoever is the leader of the Conservatives will be demonized by the media and then your liberal friends will get to say "We'd vote Conservative if it weren't for him!"

But it's nonsense. They're tribal. They're not voting conservative no matter who is in charge. They'll sit in the pan as the heat gets turned up hotter and hotter and cling to the idea that things aren't really that bad, and anyway, they're worse in Afghanistan so why complain?

[I am Groot]

How about parole reform? It seems that almost every time someone is arrested for a violent offense they're either on bail or on parole.

Like this guy. Remember him? Sent away for the infamous murder of a schoolgirl in Toronto. Let out in January. Just arrested for another murder.

https://archive.is/zYxkn