Over 50 Canadians arrested and imprisoned by ICE

[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yeah, I edited that post to include the news reports that he lost his residency and was issued a notice to appear. 

You are making shìt up and just hoping it will be true. Newsflash: Your made up shìt is shìt.

 

NO, I never made anything up.  I posted the news article that said what I said.   He is a legal permanent resident.

In the past, he was convicted of something and was on probation.  However, he did not lose his residency at that time and was not deported or ordered to leave.  Only this year with the change to a Trump admin is he now arrested and imprisoned because Trump has changed everything and is arresting as many people as he can think of.  That's the reason.

Those are the facts which you deny.

[gatomontes99]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

NO, I never made anything up.  I posted the news article that said what I said.   He is a legal permanent resident.

In the past, he was convicted of something and was on probation.  However, he did not lose his residency at that time and was not deported or ordered to leave.  Only this year with the change to a Trump admin is he now arrested and imprisoned because Trump has changed everything and is arresting as many people as he can think of.  That's the reason.

Those are the facts which you deny.

Trump didnt change anything. This is the law. 

[blackbird]

19 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Trump didnt change anything. This is the law. 

And the law is such that a permanent resident has a right to stay.  If when he was convicted of something and received probation, why was he not ordered to leave the country at that time?    Because obviously there was no law that said he had to be told to leave and no law that says he had to leave.  The Biden admin did not order him to leave.  They obviously did not see a reason to do so.

   So what changed?   The Trump admin came into government and decided every non-U.S. citizen who had a record of any kind must now be deported by the use of ICE; arrest, imprison and deport.  Maybe the law gives Trump the power to deport any non-citizen if he so chooses, but that was not how the previous admin operated.  He was here legally. 

But there are also Constitutional rights that non-citizens have that are not being respected.

The way people are now being treated is something that never happened until in the last few months.

Edited July 8, 2025 by blackbird

[Deluge]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

And the law is a permanent resident has a right to stay.  If when he was convicted of something and received probation, why was he not ordered to leave the country at that time.  Because there was no law that said he had to be told to leave and no law that says he had to leave.   So what changed?   The Trump admin decided every non-U.S. citizen who had a record of any kind must now be deported by the use of ICE, arrest and imprison and deport.  Maybe the law gives Trump the power to deport any non-citizen, but that was not how the previous admin operated.  He was here legally.  

The way people are now being treated is something that never happened until now or the past few months.

Nobody gives a shit about the previous administration. They're the a$$holes who started this shit in the first place. 

No, Trump is doing the right thing. 

[User]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

And the law is such that a permanent resident has a right to stay. 

No. No. No. 

You can keep repeating yourself, it doesn't make it true. 

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If when he was convicted of something and received probation, why was he not ordered to leave the country at that time?   

Are you for real?

The last administration was not interested in deporting anyone. Democrats have been letting violent criminals go for years instead of handing them over to ICE and under Biden, didn't really matter anyhow. 

 

[gatomontes99]

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

And the law is such that a permanent resident has a right to stay.

No. A citizen has the right to stay. A permanent resident has the privilege to stay. That privilege to stay is revokable with reason. That is the law. 

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If when he was convicted of something and received probation, why was he not ordered to leave the country at that time?

The Biden admin wasn't following the law. 

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

So what changed?   The Trump admin came into government and decided every non-U.S. citizen who had a record of any kind must now be deported by the use of ICE; arrest, imprison and deport. 

Aka the Trump asmin started following the law.

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

But there are also Constitutional rights that non-citizens have that are not being respected.

 

No there aren't. 

 

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The way people are now being treated is something that never happened until in the last few months.

So? 

https://spektorlawgroup.com/blog/can-legal-u-s-residents-be-deported/

What Are the Most Common Reasons Green Card Holders Get Deported?
a. Criminal Convictions

Serious crimes — known as aggravated felonies — can result in deportation. These include:

    Murder
    Drug trafficking
    Domestic violence
    Fraud or theft
    Sexual offenses

Crimes involving moral turpitude (like assault or deception)
 

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

35 minutes ago, blackbird said:

But there are also Constitutional rights that non-citizens have that are not being respected.

 

No there aren't. 

There are.  Try googling it.

 

11 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

What Are the Most Common Reasons Green Card Holders Get Deported?
a. Criminal Convictions

He wasn't deported before when these things happened but he was given probation and he followed the conditions.

If they wish to deport him now, why arrest him and put him in prison?  Why not just give him written notice that he has to leave by a certain date?  You have not explained why people have to be treated in such an uncivilized or harsh way.

Makes me wonder how you treat other people?

Edited July 9, 2025 by blackbird

[gatomontes99]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If they wish to deport him now, why arrest him and put him in prison? 

Because he's a high risk threat to society.

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why not just give him written notice that he has to leave by a certain date? 

Because he would hide. This way he's gone and so is another drug trafficker.

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You have not explained why people have to be treated in such an uncivilized or harsh way.

Because he trafficked drugs that certainly killed people.

[blackbird]

47 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Because he's a high risk threat to society.

Because he would hide. This way he's gone and so is another drug trafficker.

Because he trafficked drugs that certainly killed people.

Assuming you are correct about this particular case, there are still two questions.

Why are there over 55 Canadians imprisoned?  I doubt if all these people are drug traffickers or a threat to society.

Secondly, what kind of medical care does ICE give to people imprisoned?  Do you understand the proper medications have to be given to people who require them?

We still don't know if this guy died from lack of proper medical care, medications, or some kind of assault.

You don't concern yourself about these kind of things.  But they are human rights.

Edited July 9, 2025 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

They’re in a country trending towards fascist tendencies.  If you don’t want to take a chance, then the solution is to leave.  

The laws have been under the book since long before Biden. If they're so fascist why didn't he change them?

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

And the law is such that a permanent resident has a right to stay.  If when he was convicted of something and received probation, why was he not ordered to leave the country at that time?    Because obviously there was no law that said he had to be told to leave and no law that says he had to leave.  The Biden admin did not order him to leave.  They obviously did not see a reason to do so.

   So what changed?   The Trump admin came into government and decided every non-U.S. citizen who had a record of any kind must now be deported by the use of ICE; arrest, imprison and deport.  Maybe the law gives Trump the power to deport any non-citizen if he so chooses, but that was not how the previous admin operated.  He was here legally. 

But there are also Constitutional rights that non-citizens have that are not being respected.

The way people are now being treated is something that never happened until in the last few months.

That's not true buddy.

And most of these people did have a conviction, one of them they had a newspaper story about and she had been ordered deported back in 2017. She was trying to get that's changed while she's dating country but that's a risk you take

These people were definitely in the country illegally, they are going to be removed from the country for being in it illegally. That is the law

And all you ever do is advocate breaking the law, you never advocate changing the law which tells me that you're not interested in anything other than your feelings

[gatomontes99]

26 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why are there over 55 Canadians imprisoned?  I doubt if all these people are drug traffickers or a threat to society.

Because they were either violent criminals or they were near violent criminals that got picked up. Tom has been very clear. They will not let an opportunity go by to deport illegal aliens. They are targeting the worst. But if someone is near the bad guy and isn't here legally, they won't waste that opportunity.

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Secondly, what kind of medical care does ICE give to people imprisoned?  Do you understand the proper medications have to be given to people who require them?

This is America. We provide the necessary care for our prisoners. Your assumption to the contrary is nothing more than your hope that you can find some reason to be mad at Trump.

30 minutes ago, blackbird said:

We still don't know if this guy died from lack of proper medical care, medications, or some kind of assault.

You don't concern yourself about these kind of things.  But they are human rights.

Why should I concern myself with these rights? There is zero evidence they have been violated. Every supposed point you've made in this thread has been thoroughly debunked. You are just inventing scenarios and asking they are true. 

Incidents like this are always investigated. If there were mistakes, people will be held accountable. If there are systematic problems, policies will change. If there was a crime, criminals will be prosecuted. Until such time as we know the whole story, the KISS principle applies. Occam's Razor applies. That that requires the fewest assumptions is the most likely. Fat drug dealer dies from bad heart is pretty simple.

[blackbird]

18 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

54 minutes ago, blackbird said:

We still don't know if this guy died from lack of proper medical care, medications, or some kind of assault.

You don't concern yourself about these kind of things.  But they are human rights.

Why should I concern myself with these rights? There is zero evidence they have been violated. Every supposed point you've made in this thread has been thoroughly debunked. You are just inventing scenarios and asking they are true. 

False.  I already gave you the account of two people who were sent to Alligator Alcatraz.  Go back and read it.   Doesn't sound like they respect human rights there.   How would you like to receive one meal a day with maggots in it and shining lights 24 hours a day to prevent you from sleeping.

[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

58 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why are there over 55 Canadians imprisoned?  I doubt if all these people are drug traffickers or a threat to society.

Because they were either violent criminals or they were near violent criminals that got picked up.

Again this is a lie.

"Over 55 Canadians detained by ICE in U.S. due to immigration violations and minor criminal offenses in 2025. 

Johnny Noviello, a Canadian, died in ICE custody on June 23, prompting scrutiny of detention conditions."

 

[blackbird]

27 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Why are there over 55 Canadians imprisoned?  I doubt if all these people are drug traffickers or a threat to society.

Because they were either violent criminals or they were near violent criminals that got picked up.

This article from CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) show how you are lying.

"

Relatives of Canadians detained by ICE in the United States say they're furious and frustrated by the treatment of their loved ones and the battles they're having to fight for even the most basic information. 

Global Affairs Canada said it's aware of roughly 55 Canadians in U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody, though it said that the numbers can fluctuate. 

Cynthia Olivera — born in Mississauga, Ont., but living in Los Angeles — was arrested last month when she and her husband went to an immigration office to complete an interview for her U.S. citizenship application. Paula Callejas of Montreal was in the process of finalizing a work visa when she was arrested for a misdemeanor — and then transferred to an ICE facility.

Olivera and Callejas's families told CBC News the weeks since their arrests have been a nightmare, filled with phone calls to lawyers and ICE bureaucracy.

Paula Callejas from Montreal has been in ICE custody for more than three months after being charged with a misdemeanor in Florida, her family says. (Name withheld)

"We're completely concerned for her overall safety and health," a member of Callejas's immediate family told CBC News. CBC is not naming the family member over concerns they may have their own immigration issues while travelling to the U.S.

Olivera's husband, Frank Olvera, said what was meant to be a routine immigration interview ended up feeling more like a trap.

"We were flabbergasted," Olvera told CBC News. "No due process."

Olivera, 45, moved to the U.S. with her family when she was young, her husband said. The two met in the '90s, married (she kept her last name), had children together and have been living in L.A. since then.

"About two years ago, since the children are now older, we decided to hire a lawyer and start the immigration process the correct way," Olvera said.

Decades-old U.S. entry refusal

But instead of completing the interview, Olivera was arrested by immigration officials over a decades-old border issue, her husband said.

"They lured us into our immigration appointment … took my wife, put her in handcuffs, swept her away," he said.

"They didn't even give us an opportunity at the interview. Nothing."

Olvera said that in 1999, Olivera had travelled to Canada to attend her mother's funeral and was initially denied re-entry because she was pregnant and told border agents she planned to have the child in the U.S.

Olivera is now being held by ICE at a detention centre in El Paso, Texas, Olvera said.

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Canadians in ICE detention centres left in legal limbo as families try to secure release | CBC News

[blackbird]

57 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And most of these people did have a conviction,

Some of them had misdemeanors, some had VISA issues, some decades old immigration issues.  That kind of thing doesn't warrant being arrested and locked in prison for weeks or months and families unable to get through the ICE bureaucracy and lawyers.

"Cynthia Olivera — born in Mississauga, Ont., but living in Los Angeles — was arrested last month when she and her husband went to an immigration office to complete an interview for her U.S. citizenship application. Paula Callejas of Montreal was in the process of finalizing a work visa when she was arrested for a misdemeanor — and then transferred to an ICE facility.

Olivera and Callejas's families told CBC News the weeks since their arrests have been a nightmare, filled with phone calls to lawyers and ICE bureaucracy.

Paula Callejas from Montreal has been in ICE custody for more than three months after being charged with a misdemeanor in Florida, her family says. (Name withheld)

"We're completely concerned for her overall safety and health," a member of Callejas's immediate family told CBC News. CBC is not naming the family member over concerns they may have their own immigration issues while travelling to the U.S.

Olivera's husband, Frank Olvera, said what was meant to be a routine immigration interview ended up feeling more like a trap.

"We were flabbergasted," Olvera told CBC News. "No due process."

Olivera, 45, moved to the U.S. with her family when she was young, her husband said. The two met in the '90s, married (she kept her last name), had children together and have been living in L.A. since then.

"About two years ago, since the children are now older, we decided to hire a lawyer and start the immigration process the correct way," Olvera said.

Decades-old U.S. entry refusal

But instead of completing the interview, Olivera was arrested by immigration officials over a decades-old border issue, her husband said.

"They lured us into our immigration appointment … took my wife, put her in handcuffs, swept her away," he said."

Canadians in ICE detention centres left in legal limbo as families try to secure release | CBC News

[gatomontes99]

30 minutes ago, blackbird said:

False.  I already gave you the account of two people who were sent to Alligator Alcatraz.  Go back and read it.   Doesn't sound like they respect human rights there.   How would you like to receive one meal a day with maggots in it and shining lights 24 hours a day to prevent you from sleeping.

Has anyone proven that or is it the testimony of people that violated our laws and are looking for an out? 

[gatomontes99]

23 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This article from CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) show how you are lying.

"

Relatives of Canadians detained by ICE in the United States say they're furious and frustrated by the treatment of their loved ones and the battles they're having to fight for even the most basic information. 

Global Affairs Canada said it's aware of roughly 55 Canadians in U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody, though it said that the numbers can fluctuate. 

Cynthia Olivera — born in Mississauga, Ont., but living in Los Angeles — was arrested last month when she and her husband went to an immigration office to complete an interview for her U.S. citizenship application. Paula Callejas of Montreal was in the process of finalizing a work visa when she was arrested for a misdemeanor — and then transferred to an ICE facility.

Olivera and Callejas's families told CBC News the weeks since their arrests have been a nightmare, filled with phone calls to lawyers and ICE bureaucracy.

Paula Callejas from Montreal has been in ICE custody for more than three months after being charged with a misdemeanor in Florida, her family says. (Name withheld)

"We're completely concerned for her overall safety and health," a member of Callejas's immediate family told CBC News. CBC is not naming the family member over concerns they may have their own immigration issues while travelling to the U.S.

Olivera's husband, Frank Olvera, said what was meant to be a routine immigration interview ended up feeling more like a trap.

"We were flabbergasted," Olvera told CBC News. "No due process."

Olivera, 45, moved to the U.S. with her family when she was young, her husband said. The two met in the '90s, married (she kept her last name), had children together and have been living in L.A. since then.

"About two years ago, since the children are now older, we decided to hire a lawyer and start the immigration process the correct way," Olvera said.

Decades-old U.S. entry refusal

But instead of completing the interview, Olivera was arrested by immigration officials over a decades-old border issue, her husband said.

"They lured us into our immigration appointment … took my wife, put her in handcuffs, swept her away," he said.

"They didn't even give us an opportunity at the interview. Nothing."

Olvera said that in 1999, Olivera had travelled to Canada to attend her mother's funeral and was initially denied re-entry because she was pregnant and told border agents she planned to have the child in the U.S.

Olivera is now being held by ICE at a detention centre in El Paso, Texas, Olvera said.

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Stephen Miller, White House deputy chief of staff and the main architect of Trump's immigration policies, has pushed ICE to aim for at least 3,000 arrests a day, up from about 650 a day during the first five months of Trump's second term."

Canadians in ICE detention centres left in legal limbo as families try to secure release | CBC News

What is your point? They broke the law. 

16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Some of them had misdemeanors, some had VISA issues, some decades old immigration issues.  That kind of thing doesn't warrant being arrested and locked in prison for weeks or months and families unable to get through the ICE bureaucracy and lawyers.

Yes it does. It absolutely warrants that.

 

[CdnFox]

42 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Some of them had misdemeanors, some had VISA issues, some decades old immigration issues.  That kind of thing doesn't warrant being arrested and locked in prison for weeks or months and families unable to get through the ICE bureaucracy and lawyers.

 

It means they're in the country illegally. And that does warrant detention. The woman they did the story on for example is one of those 50 was thrown out of the country and snuck back in. I don't think she's committed any crimes other than that but that's enough.

If you don't have a right to be in the country leave. And now would be the time. If you try and hide and stay in the country you may be arrested and detained. Because that's what happens with criminals who violate united states immigration law

I'm sorry but if you break the law you don't have a lot of room to complain about being locked up. I would agree with you that they should be deported as quickly as possible and not stay in any kind of camp longer than necessary, there's no need to be cruel about it, but if you don't want to go to jail then leave the country and don't do the crime

What else is there to say?

[blackbird]

55 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Has anyone proven that or is it the testimony of people that violated our laws and are looking for an out? 

We live in a world where often all we have to go by is eye witness accounts. There are many things that Trump is doing that should raise questions about who you can believe.  You have to decide yourself.  If you think the idea of sending migrants to CECOT was right  then you have a moral problem and may not be able to judge anything.

[CdnFox]

47 minutes ago, blackbird said:

We live in a world where often all we have to go by is eye witness accounts.

No we don't!! We live in a world where just about everything in the universe is Captured on a cell phone or there's a camera of some sort or it's inspected or body cam or whatever. In fact we live in an age where it's extremely rare where we have to rely on an eye witness

The democrats could go tour the facility if they were really concerned about it

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

No we don't!! We live in a world where just about everything in the universe is Captured on a cell phone or there's a camera of some sort or it's inspected or body cam or whatever. In fact we live in an age where it's extremely rare where we have to rely on an eye witness

The democrats could go tour the facility if they were really concerned about it

Meeeh...no they cant. They got denied a few days ago. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

Meeeh...no they cant. They got denied a few days ago. 

Really? Why?

Edit:  looks like it was 5 of them who just showed up without warning or making arrangements and demanded a tour. I'm not sure that's how a jail works  I think you have to at least call ahead and make arrangements. 

 

Edited July 9, 2025 by CdnFox

[blackbird]

Right!   You will never be shown how the place is really run.  Advance notice is required so they can plan to give the visitor a good impression, not the actual way it's run.

[User]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

We live in a world where often all we have to go by is eye witness accounts. There are many things that Trump is doing that should raise questions about who you can believe.  You have to decide yourself.  If you think the idea of sending migrants to CECOT was right  then you have a moral problem and may not be able to judge anything.

"migrants" were not sent to CECOT.

How many illegal alien suspected violent gang members do you have living in your home right now?

 

[Nationalist]

This has gone from silly to ridiculous. 

@blackbird Sir. As a Canadian, and one who made mistakes and requires a special waiver to enter the USA, I feel qualified to say that if this guy was peddling illicit drugs as a green card holder, he should be deported and/or sent to prison.

The very idea that a guest of any country, one would knowingly break federal laws, is unbelievably stupid.

Under Brandon, most criminals went free because of very lax and liberal ideals...that failed the American people severely. This is a major reason Trump is now president. 

So suck it up and grow a spine. Some people you can save. But not stupid criminals in another nation as a guest.