CdnFox Posted July 5, 2025 Report Posted July 5, 2025 Canada should consider hiking consumption taxes to pay for defence-spending boost: analysts - The Globe and Mail Basically if you add up all of Carney's promises plus the defense spending we're going to see 72 billion or more dollars a year deficits. That's after deep cuts. So they're recommending that the gov't add a 2 percent defense services tax the same as the GST to help fund it. More taxes to slow down our economy, and more inflation. Less competitiveness and less investment in Canada. I think it'll be political death for carney to do that, but i don't see what other choices he's got. He can't just run 72 billion dollar deficits forever and we all know it won't stay there for long, it'll go up for sure. But more taxes at a time when people's budgets are already strained will slow down spending in Canada and move us towards recession. I feel like he's painted us into an impossible corner. The only realistic thing he can do is just not keep his word and not increase spending on military 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
August1991 Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 This ain't gonna happen. The GST is a hated tax, making trade easy is hard and getting people to get along is what makes Canada great. It is proof that Trudeau Snr and Mulroney were great Canadians. 1 Quote
August1991 Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 (edited) OTOH, The US is the only successful federal state/regime without a consumption tax, a VAT, a GST. To solve America's HUGE federal deficit problems - and rising, America needs a federal consumption tax. Trump is the kind of guy to impose it. Edited July 6, 2025 by August1991 1 Quote
Legato Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Canada should consider hiking consumption taxes to pay for defence-spending boost: analysts - The Globe and Mail Basically if you add up all of Carney's promises plus the defense spending we're going to see 72 billion or more dollars a year deficits. That's after deep cuts. So they're recommending that the gov't add a 2 percent defense services tax the same as the GST to help fund it. More taxes to slow down our economy, and more inflation. Less competitiveness and less investment in Canada. I think it'll be political death for carney to do that, but i don't see what other choices he's got. He can't just run 72 billion dollar deficits forever and we all know it won't stay there for long, it'll go up for sure. But more taxes at a time when people's budgets are already strained will slow down spending in Canada and move us towards recession. I feel like he's painted us into an impossible corner. The only realistic thing he can do is just not keep his word and not increase spending on military About time to introduce a "Stupid Tax" we'd be out of debt yesterday. 2 Quote
Army Guy Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Canada should consider hiking consumption taxes to pay for defence-spending boost: analysts - The Globe and Mail Basically if you add up all of Carney's promises plus the defense spending we're going to see 72 billion or more dollars a year deficits. That's after deep cuts. So they're recommending that the gov't add a 2 percent defense services tax the same as the GST to help fund it. More taxes to slow down our economy, and more inflation. Less competitiveness and less investment in Canada. I think it'll be political death for carney to do that, but i don't see what other choices he's got. He can't just run 72 billion dollar deficits forever and we all know it won't stay there for long, it'll go up for sure. But more taxes at a time when people's budgets are already strained will slow down spending in Canada and move us towards recession. I feel like he's painted us into an impossible corner. The only realistic thing he can do is just not keep his word and not increase spending on military This year alone our deficit is suppose to hit 90 plus bil....he only added 9 bil a year to defense....so we are spending 80 plus bil more than we earn....What exactly are these deep cuts....have we lost any social programs yet...which ones... raise taxes until we start running a balanced budget...it won't be long before Canadians start asking to cut social programs... And just so we are clear it is the Federals responsibility to look after and maintain all of security apparatus, to ensure canadians are protected, thats the deal ..."before" we start adding social programs...and if the PM wants to sign us on to all these big fancy defensive agreements so Canada can play with the big boys you got to be able to pay that bill....if not stay at the kiddy table...and stop acting like we are something we are not....it is really that simple... I find it funny we want our young men and women to defend the country, put their life's on the line for the nation, and other Canadians,but Canadians don't seem to be able to find the funding or time to support our military....to equip them with the proper equipment to do the job...., we should just shut it all down....one drone 2 newfies in a rowboat armed with slingshots, and an old station wagon with the roof cut off as a tank....,it's not like we really take our sovereignty seriously anyways...or we would not be in this predicament... let some other nation take it over....trump would love us to be the 51 st state.... It looks like we have created a conundrum...we don't want to pay our security bill....and we hate trump...who is going to protect us...maybe the EU... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted July 6, 2025 Author Report Posted July 6, 2025 2 hours ago, August1991 said: This ain't gonna happen. The GST is a hated tax, making trade easy is hard and getting people to get along is what makes Canada great. It is proof that Trudeau Snr and Mulroney were great Canadians. Trudeau was almost 60 years ago buddy. This is today On the GST may not be a popular tax but how else are you suggesting he pays for this. The numbers of the numbers, where's he going to come up with the money if not there? Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
herbie Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 TWO problems: A - when has ANY new taxstayed dedicated to whay it's supposed to be for. It all ends up general revenue B - Trump's already whining and snivelling about the GST because we don't charge it on exports. Don't give him an opportunity to turn it into a bellow. 1 Quote
August1991 Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Army Guy said: This year alone our deficit is suppose to hit 90 plus bil....he only added 9 bil a year to defense....so we are spending 80 plus bil more than we earn....What exactly are these deep cuts....have we lost any social programs yet...which ones... .... Canada has a GDP of some 2 trillion. 90 billion? Is that a rounding number? My daughter owes 2 thousand on her MasterCard. ==== What do these numbers mean? Edited July 6, 2025 by August1991 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted July 6, 2025 Author Report Posted July 6, 2025 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: This year alone our deficit is suppose to hit 90 plus bil....he only added 9 bil a year to defense....so we are spending 80 plus bil more than we earn....What exactly are these deep cuts....have we lost any social programs yet...which ones... Well they're envisioning things like cutting back severely on third-party consultations cutting back the civil service and eliminating a bunch of other discretionary stuff. Like I say that's the good news budget Quote And just so we are clear it is the Federals responsibility to look after and maintain all of security apparatus, to ensure canadians are protected, thats the deal ..."before" we start adding social programs...and if the PM wants to sign us on to all these big fancy defensive agreements so Canada can play with the big boys you got to be able to pay that bill....if not stay at the kiddy table...and stop acting like we are something we are not....it is really that simple... Sure. But money doesn't come from thin air. We can make the changes necessary and grow our economy to the point where we can afford what he's talking about. But we cannot do that in the time frame that he's thinking of. Please expended to 2% was already a burden. Something like an extra percent on top of that every 3 or 4 years would have been doable but what they're proposing is simply unaffordable. We would have to eliminate programs like old age pensions and Healthcare and things that just won't fly Quote I find it funny we want our young men and women to defend the country, put their life's on the line for the nation, and other Canadians, but Canadians don't seem to be able to find the funding or time to support our military....to equip them with the proper equipment to do the job...., we should just shut it all down....one drone 2 newfies in a rowboat armed with slingshots, and an old station wagon with the roof cut off as a tank....,it's not like we really take our sovereignty seriously anyways...or we would not be in this predicament... let some other nation take it over....trump would love us to be the 51 st state.... A valid enough criticism but you just simply cannot go from zero to 100 in one second. If you do you will wind up destroying our economy which means they're really won't be any money to find the military. You can waive the flag all you want but there are real world consequences to spending and to our economy. And if there is no economy there's no military. raise taxes until we start running a balanced budget...it won't be long before Canadians start asking to cut social programs... And just so we are clear it is the Federals responsibility to look after and maintain all of security apparatus, to ensure canadians are protected, thats the deal ..."before" we start adding social programs...and if the PM wants to sign us on to all these big fancy defensive agreements so Canada can play with the big boys you got to be able to pay that bill....if not stay at the kiddy table...and stop acting like we are something we are not....it is really that simple... I find it funny we want our young men and women to defend the country, put their life's on the line for the nation, and other Canadians,but Canadians don't seem to be able to find the funding or time to support our military....to equip them with the proper equipment to do the job...., we should just shut it all down....one drone 2 newfies in a rowboat armed with slingshots, and an old station wagon with the roof cut off as a tank....,it's not like we really take our sovereignty seriously anyways...or we would not be in this predicament... let some other nation take it over....trump would love us to be the 51 st state.... It looks like we have created a conundrum...we don't want to pay our security bill....and we hate trump...who is going to protect us...maybe the EU... Quote It looks like we have created a conundrum...we don't want to pay our security bill....and we hate trump...who is going to protect us...maybe the EU... China seems interested We can have a military and we can afford to fund the military we just can't afford to find what he's promised. Or at least not as fast as he's promised. It's not a matter of what Canadians want. You just can't do that. It would trash the economy and if there's no economy then there's really no money to pay for military Somewhere in between nothing and 5% within three or four years there's a number that would make sense that we could achieve which would be substantially higher than what we have been doing. we have to be real about it 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 10 hours ago, CdnFox said: Well they're envisioning things like cutting back severely on third-party consultations cutting back the civil service and eliminating a bunch of other discretionary stuff. Like I say that's the good news budget Sure. But money doesn't come from thin air. We can make the changes necessary and grow our economy to the point where we can afford what he's talking about. But we cannot do that in the time frame that he's thinking of. Please expended to 2% was already a burden. Something like an extra percent on top of that every 3 or 4 years would have been doable but what they're proposing is simply unaffordable. We would have to eliminate programs like old age pensions and Healthcare and things that just won't fly A valid enough criticism but you just simply cannot go from zero to 100 in one second. If you do you will wind up destroying our economy which means they're really won't be any money to find the military. You can waive the flag all you want but there are real world consequences to spending and to our economy. And if there is no economy there's no military. raise taxes until we start running a balanced budget...it won't be long before Canadians start asking to cut social programs... And just so we are clear it is the Federals responsibility to look after and maintain all of security apparatus, to ensure canadians are protected, thats the deal ..."before" we start adding social programs...and if the PM wants to sign us on to all these big fancy defensive agreements so Canada can play with the big boys you got to be able to pay that bill....if not stay at the kiddy table...and stop acting like we are something we are not....it is really that simple... I find it funny we want our young men and women to defend the country, put their life's on the line for the nation, and other Canadians,but Canadians don't seem to be able to find the funding or time to support our military....to equip them with the proper equipment to do the job...., we should just shut it all down....one drone 2 newfies in a rowboat armed with slingshots, and an old station wagon with the roof cut off as a tank....,it's not like we really take our sovereignty seriously anyways...or we would not be in this predicament... let some other nation take it over....trump would love us to be the 51 st state.... It looks like we have created a conundrum...we don't want to pay our security bill....and we hate trump...who is going to protect us...maybe the EU... China seems interested We can have a military and we can afford to fund the military we just can't afford to find what he's promised. Or at least not as fast as he's promised. It's not a matter of what Canadians want. You just can't do that. It would trash the economy and if there's no economy then there's really no money to pay for military Somewhere in between nothing and 5% within three or four years there's a number that would make sense that we could achieve which would be substantially higher than what we have been doing. we have to be real about it I think there could be many other different cuts...take the GG position and all her travels, same as MP travels, cutting back on MP benefits, dinners, unnecessary travel, "and do the same thing on the provincial level as well, as the feds are not the only ones over spent... get rid of dental care , child care, and others they are nice to have and only serve the minority of Canadians...Shit i could cut the military's budget by billions by cutting stupid projects, like spending your budget at end year or fear losing it....how about giving bonus to people that do hand in their surpluses...thats right across the board on all fed departments..foreign aid there is 29 plus bil right there, let someone else spend their money on gender studies in ghana....or providing palestinians with condoms...lets mark out those social programs that we do need like health care, programs like OAS,and CPP....cut back on programs like welfare, here in NB welfare is an entire industry, force people back top work....hunger does that to people leave welfare to those that really need it.... I don't think you can go that fast ,i'm pretty sure a large chunk of that 9 bil given this year will be returned... Military is not geared up to spend that amount now, or in a few years....The procurement departments need to be totally revamped, streamlined, gutted really and rebuilt...on both sides the Military, and on Federal procurement department....taking politics for the most part out of the buy....feds can tell the military how much money is available, military should be able to purchase what it wants, with minimum interference from other politicians or departments...believe it or not many other federal departments have a say in military procurement, take indigenous affairs for instance they have a say to see if this product can be supply by indigenous services...the entire process takes decades to complete With that said that project will take years to complete before we can even spend what we had before the extra 9 bil...yes the military's has been giving back bils for years now...becasue the current rules make it mission impossible to get things done in a timely basis. we have trashed our economy already we are like some teenager with his first job, spending way more than we earn...using multi credit cards to pay for each other...So we have some major choices that need to be made, cheaping out on our core responsibilities no longer cuts it...time to give back all those social projects we can't afford right now... lets also be very clear...5 % is not a perminate number it is to get us back in shape where the alliance can be effective...Canada is not the only nation to cash in thoise peace bonds all of europe has... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted July 6, 2025 Author Report Posted July 6, 2025 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: I think there could be many other different cuts...take the GG position and all her travels, same as MP travels, cutting back on MP benefits, dinners, unnecessary travel, "and do the same thing on the provincial level as well, as the feds are not the only ones over spent... get rid of dental care , child care, and others they are nice to have and only serve the minority of Canadians.. Okay, to put things in perspective we need to come up with $150 billion dollars in new spending but for the military to meet the commitments. That's before making cuts. Roughly 40 billion or so we can take from current spending and pretend it's on military spending due to the infrastructure clause, maybe if we're lucky. So leaves us with about 110 billion we need to come up with. The proposed cuts that were mentioned in the article brings our total cost down to somewhere around $72 billion total deficit which means they managed to cut a hell of a lot more than you did. The cuts you just proposed would only save about 7 or 8 billion max, and i included a few things like pharmacare in there. So we're still not even close to sustainable. You're talking about still needing to account for many tens of billions more. Worse you're already doing severe damage to the economy. The other cuts mentioned took big swaths of the public service, the other cuts you're talking about reduce services to the public..... the effect would crater our economy. I'll be blunt, it's stupid. We cannot possibly cut enough to pay for the military spending promised. It cannot be done. what you are saying is as crazy as me telling you to go drive the russians out of ukraine with 50 men. No matter WHAT i say or want, that is not possible. The only way to cover that kind of spending is to make significant adjustments to how we do things over time, more importantly massively grow the economy to be more efficient and produce better paying jobs because better paying jobs pay better taxes to the government, and gradually rework taxes and service delivery to be able to accommodate that. Please understand this because it's obvious that you don't: Any cuts you make have serious repercussions to the economy and to Canadians. There is definitely room to cut but if you cut more or too quickly than what you should you face disaster. And if the economy tanks and Canadians don't have food the first thing they're going to look for is cuts in military spending. Which is how we got here in the first place. Oh and by the way, the governor general's office is more important than the military for our security and safety. Fuse breaker for our democracy. Without it there is a very real chance that somebody would eventually corruptly take over our democracy the same as we saw in germany. That position is there for a reason. If I had to give up the military or the GG it would be a no-brainer. Truth is we need them both but you seem to be dismissive of that office without understanding what it is. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted July 6, 2025 Report Posted July 6, 2025 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Okay, to put things in perspective we need to come up with $150 billion dollars in new spending but for the military to meet the commitments. That's before making cuts. Roughly 40 billion or so we can take from current spending and pretend it's on military spending due to the infrastructure clause, maybe if we're lucky. So leaves us with about 110 billion we need to come up with. The proposed cuts that were mentioned in the article brings our total cost down to somewhere around $72 billion total deficit which means they managed to cut a hell of a lot more than you did. The cuts you just proposed would only save about 7 or 8 billion max, and i included a few things like pharmacare in there. So we're still not even close to sustainable. You're talking about still needing to account for many tens of billions more. Worse you're already doing severe damage to the economy. The other cuts mentioned took big swaths of the public service, the other cuts you're talking about reduce services to the public..... the effect would crater our economy. I'll be blunt, it's stupid. We cannot possibly cut enough to pay for the military spending promised. It cannot be done. what you are saying is as crazy as me telling you to go drive the russians out of ukraine with 50 men. No matter WHAT i say or want, that is not possible. The only way to cover that kind of spending is to make significant adjustments to how we do things over time, more importantly massively grow the economy to be more efficient and produce better paying jobs because better paying jobs pay better taxes to the government, and gradually rework taxes and service delivery to be able to accommodate that. Please understand this because it's obvious that you don't: Any cuts you make have serious repercussions to the economy and to Canadians. There is definitely room to cut but if you cut more or too quickly than what you should you face disaster. And if the economy tanks and Canadians don't have food the first thing they're going to look for is cuts in military spending. Which is how we got here in the first place. Oh and by the way, the governor general's office is more important than the military for our security and safety. Fuse breaker for our democracy. Without it there is a very real chance that somebody would eventually corruptly take over our democracy the same as we saw in germany. That position is there for a reason. If I had to give up the military or the GG it would be a no-brainer. Truth is we need them both but you seem to be dismissive of that office without understanding what it is. You seem to think that all of this needs to be done today...we have until 2035, and we still do not know what is going to happen after trump leaves office, there is to many questions that need to be answered, before our nation needs to get to 5 %....There is thousands of things that need to be done before we spend any new funding, none of that is being done... between now and then our economy is going to grow, something you may or may not have taken into account. bottom dollar, is we as a nation are living beyond our means...for decades we have been adding to our debt, covid sent it into over drive and nobody even blinked an eye...even when Carney announced his 90 plus bil deficit for this year alone, nobody blinked, ya a few spoke up, but for the most part crickets...until we decide to spend on the military,and now we are going into crises mode, we will wreck the economy...sound about right....i mean it is ok to starve them for decades, but don't spend any real money on them...that is the line in the sand that has been there since the korean war ended... It can be done, if there is a will, if you can't be done with cuts then raise taxes....and Carney is going to try...will he be successful who knows..."I'm" not doing anything, Carney is doing all of it, remember him the international banking and finance guru, he has put his signature down on the new NATO agreement, plus signed a new European defensive pact, which no one really knows what that is going to cost but it is not going to be cheap...MTF on that little forgotten piece... We as a nation have a long history of not living up to our signed on to obligations....frankly the world is shocked that we met our 2 % goal....our allieds already have our reputation cemented in stone, we are not reliable in any form...the world is not depending on Canada for anything, well except the palestinians and their need for condoms...or gender study programs...Everyone thinks the world loves Canada we are peaceful and polite....no world leaders know we are laggards in every way...do you think Carney or PP is going to change that, not on your life... It may be stupid, even crazy at times, i would have thought that having the liberals govern for 4 terms would be crazy, after all they done, and poof here we are, right in the middle of crazy town....home or the lagards, and liars....A large part of me have been waiting for this moment in history for 4 decades now, it is here closer than it has ever been....and i'm willing to pay extra taxes to make all of this happen....and if it does happen Carney will have my vote for life... As for the governor general bless her sole but she likes to spend money....and your preference is your choice...but the next Forrest fire or flood or whatever maybe she could drive people out of the danger areas in her car...or join August and peddle out on bikes....I understand what the office is and what it does, i pledged allegiance to her office and served it for 35 years...what i don't understand is her need to travel the globe and enjoy the life of riley on my tax dollar... Canadians have already made up their minds and elected a man that is taken action of some sort, and to be honest it is a bit refreshing...would i prefer it be conservatives Yes...any ways Carneys yet to prove anything of real value to his voters, or Canadians, that remains to be seen but for me i like what i have seen so far...considering what we have had in the last ten years... At one point Canada will have to decide what it wants a seat at the big boys table or in the nosebleed seats like we are now...our international reputation is in taters, our word means nothing, and we are pushed around like some 2 year old....our nation is one huge dumpster fire, our neighbor and biggest trade partner wants swallow us whole for our own good...our allieds just look and stare at us " thankful" it is not them with that many problems the left can't or won't see the problems... and when you point them out the take an epileptic fit and spaz out on the floor, screaming so they can't hear you... ....to them everything is fine...did i miss anything...oh ya, we all get along....as august kindly reminds all of us... Only this time i hope NATO punishes those that have not kept their words and kicks out lagard nations out of the alliance, of course that would start a landslide to include NORAD, 5 eyes, European pacts...but hey at least will have the governor general. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted July 6, 2025 Author Report Posted July 6, 2025 56 minutes ago, Army Guy said: You seem to think that all of this needs to be done today...we have until 2035, and we still do not know what is going to happen after trump leaves office, there is to many questions that need to be answered, before our nation needs to get to 5 %....There is thousands of things that need to be done before we spend any new funding, none of that is being done... between now and then our economy is going to grow, something you may or may not have taken into account. bottom dollar, is we as a nation are living beyond our means...for decades we have been adding to our debt, covid sent it into over drive and nobody even blinked an eye...even when Carney announced his 90 plus bil deficit for this year alone, nobody blinked, ya a few spoke up, but for the most part crickets...until we decide to spend on the military,and now we are going into crises mode, we will wreck the economy...sound about right....i mean it is ok to starve them for decades, but don't spend any real money on them...that is the line in the sand that has been there since the korean war ended... It can be done, if there is a will, if you can't be done with cuts then raise taxes....and Carney is going to try...will he be successful who knows..."I'm" not doing anything, Carney is doing all of it, remember him the international banking and finance guru, he has put his signature down on the new NATO agreement, plus signed a new European defensive pact, which no one really knows what that is going to cost but it is not going to be cheap...MTF on that little forgotten piece... We as a nation have a long history of not living up to our signed on to obligations....frankly the world is shocked that we met our 2 % goal....our allieds already have our reputation cemented in stone, we are not reliable in any form...the world is not depending on Canada for anything, well except the palestinians and their need for condoms...or gender study programs...Everyone thinks the world loves Canada we are peaceful and polite....no world leaders know we are laggards in every way...do you think Carney or PP is going to change that, not on your life... It may be stupid, even crazy at times, i would have thought that having the liberals govern for 4 terms would be crazy, after all they done, and poof here we are, right in the middle of crazy town....home or the lagards, and liars....A large part of me have been waiting for this moment in history for 4 decades now, it is here closer than it has ever been....and i'm willing to pay extra taxes to make all of this happen....and if it does happen Carney will have my vote for life... As for the governor general bless her sole but she likes to spend money....and your preference is your choice...but the next Forrest fire or flood or whatever maybe she could drive people out of the danger areas in her car...or join August and peddle out on bikes....I understand what the office is and what it does, i pledged allegiance to her office and served it for 35 years...what i don't understand is her need to travel the globe and enjoy the life of riley on my tax dollar... Canadians have already made up their minds and elected a man that is taken action of some sort, and to be honest it is a bit refreshing...would i prefer it be conservatives Yes...any ways Carneys yet to prove anything of real value to his voters, or Canadians, that remains to be seen but for me i like what i have seen so far...considering what we have had in the last ten years... At one point Canada will have to decide what it wants a seat at the big boys table or in the nosebleed seats like we are now...our international reputation is in taters, our word means nothing, and we are pushed around like some 2 year old....our nation is one huge dumpster fire, our neighbor and biggest trade partner wants swallow us whole for our own good...our allieds just look and stare at us " thankful" it is not them with that many problems the left can't or won't see the problems... and when you point them out the take an epileptic fit and spaz out on the floor, screaming so they can't hear you... ....to them everything is fine...did i miss anything...oh ya, we all get along....as august kindly reminds all of us... Only this time i hope NATO punishes those that have not kept their words and kicks out lagard nations out of the alliance, of course that would start a landslide to include NORAD, 5 eyes, European pacts...but hey at least will have the governor general. You are in way too far over your head for this discussion The economy may grow? Did you puzzle out the fact that if it does that means our GDP goes up which means we need to pay more money? This is why the military gets ignored. Instead of making a sensible plan that we can live with we're talking in real terms you make bullshit statements without understanding the nature of what you're discussing. Do you know who else is going to be gone by 2035? The guy who made the promise. So one of two things are going to happen. Either he's not going to try at all, and will instead just pay consultants who are friends of his to run around and think about how we might spend the money, or he's going to do some token things or make promises about spending that will happen even further down the road. If you're very lucky a tiny number of things might get better but it won't for the most part Well I tell you what. Let's wait and see who which of us is right. Within two years it should be obvious either we've made commitments for future spending or we haven't. But the simple fact of the matter is you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about and most of the stuff you said is just as bonkers as the people that claim we don't need a military at all. And then you're going to cry about how we don't spend enough on the military when people who are aware of how spending works are telling you about the problems but you've ignored it. Good luck 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted July 7, 2025 Report Posted July 7, 2025 (edited) 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: You are in way too far over your head for this discussion The economy may grow? Did you puzzle out the fact that if it does that means our GDP goes up which means we need to pay more money? This is why the military gets ignored. Instead of making a sensible plan that we can live with we're talking in real terms you make bullshit statements without understanding the nature of what you're discussing. Do you know who else is going to be gone by 2035? The guy who made the promise. So one of two things are going to happen. Either he's not going to try at all, and will instead just pay consultants who are friends of his to run around and think about how we might spend the money, or he's going to do some token things or make promises about spending that will happen even further down the road. If you're very lucky a tiny number of things might get better but it won't for the most part Well I tell you what. Let's wait and see who which of us is right. Within two years it should be obvious either we've made commitments for future spending or we haven't. But the simple fact of the matter is you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about and most of the stuff you said is just as bonkers as the people that claim we don't need a military at all. And then you're going to cry about how we don't spend enough on the military when people who are aware of how spending works are telling you about the problems but you've ignored it. Good luck Perhaps, or maybe so are you.... No this is not why the military gets nothing, the reason it gets nothing is becasue of governments and people with your mind set your attitude.......but what you forget is regardless of how you fund our military, what type of equipment we give them, our government and Canadians will happily send them into a conflict...these are Canadians, wtf is wrong with this country when we can not even be bother to give them half decent equipment, training, etc etc... You seem to be of the opinion this is Citizens of Canada against the military....and it is not these people who serve do so without complaint they know that Canadians don't give a rats ass about them...and that pi$$es off canadians when to hear regardless of what they do , or fund to them they will always have Canada's back...i ask the question why not fund them ? As for what i'm talking about , i've seen up close and personal what the lack of funding looks like in the military, I've gone through an iltis jeep after it hit an IED looking for enough human remains to make it legal body....while everyone else in AFGHANISTAN WAS DRIVING MRAPs...and Canadians were driving around in open air jeeps...for me this topic is personal...for you this is about dollars and cents...and how it can't be done.... if you know who is going to be in office and what the outcome is why are you worried what anyone says....your positive it will never happen, then so be it, i've already express that to you...and while i'm retired , i have a son and daughter in the military....and again i'm invested in any positive outcome for our military.... I guess we will have to see ....I'd like to know what your background is and what background you base your opinions on this topic....for the most part i do agree with alot of what you have said in other topics....with the exception of this topic...you have nothing invested in it...and like most Canadians have something against our military, and what they provide this country... you can call it whatever you want, but crying for this country is long done.......i call it drawing attention to the topic, or pointing out just how sad it is when a nation can not or will not defend itself...if it had not been for my son and daughter joining the military, it would not bother me in the least what you and others do to the military... I've had to deal with people like you my entire military career...grin and bear it...it is what most military members do...and eventually they will stop being so patriotic,for king or country, and their focus will be for their bothers' and sisters on the left and right of them...everything else will be shoved to the side...nothing else will matter...they will give you as much attention as you give them, Yes military people see what this country gives them, everyday....Thats the way Canadians wanted it to be....thats not what soldiers wanted thats what regular Canadians wanted... Not sure why you think the way you do....but i've seen young men and women, draped with our nations flag loaded up in hercs, because our nation was to cheap to give us the proper equipment...and it has influenced me and shaped my own opinions on this nation....young men and women who pledged unlimited liability to defend this nation regardless of how they treated us...who all they asked for was to to be properly equipped so they can return to their families...and if i read your messaging right, that is to much to ask for....i know that would make me proud and more patriotic.... I may know jack shit about how this nations finances work, but at some point of time the military will lose to many capabilities, that i do know, it will become unable to do the simplest task...by then it will be to late... this is not a pi$$ing contest with me and you...this is about military lives, and how they are valued in this nation...they are not looking for a parade or a medal, they are looking for Canadians to have their backs, to know that one day their sacrifices will mean something... Edited July 7, 2025 by Army Guy 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted July 7, 2025 Author Report Posted July 7, 2025 (edited) 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Perhaps, or maybe so are you.... No, I know my shit I guess you'll have to find out the hard way. Which is how the military got here and you can complain to your heart's content about how it's people and the governments but it's happening again right now and I'm the one screaming about how it shouldn't be acceptable and you're the one accepting it happening to them again I will probably both still be here in 2 years. We'll see how things have gone Edited July 7, 2025 by CdnFox 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted July 7, 2025 Report Posted July 7, 2025 On 7/5/2025 at 11:54 PM, CdnFox said: Trudeau was almost 60 years ago buddy. This is today On the GST may not be a popular tax but how else are you suggesting he pays for this. The numbers of the numbers, where's he going to come up with the money if not there? Trudeau??? In case you did not know, Mulroney introduced GST. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted July 7, 2025 Author Report Posted July 7, 2025 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Trudeau??? In case you did not know, Mulroney introduced GST. In case you did not read he mentioned trudeau AND THEN mentioned the gst. I addressed his trudeau comment first, then in a NEW paragraph addressed the NEWLY proposed INCREASE to the GST whcih he noted wouldn't be popular. Two completely separate things and Mulroney doesn't even come into it LOL isn't it a little early in the morning for you to be this stupid? 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted July 7, 2025 Report Posted July 7, 2025 33 minutes ago, CdnFox said: In case you did not read . LOL isn't it a little early in the morning ... I only read you because you are the one that makes the stupidest mistakes LOL Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted July 7, 2025 Author Report Posted July 7, 2025 1 minute ago, ExFlyer said: I only read you because you are the one that makes the stupidest mistakes LOL Sounds like you'd be better off reading Your own posts if you're looking for amusing mistakes LOLOL "Trudeau happened a long time ago. Moving on, the gst isn't popular. "Derp! But mulroney brought in the gst DERP!" LOLOL Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted July 7, 2025 Report Posted July 7, 2025 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Sounds like you'd be better off r ha Ha Ha ...back again. Took the bait again. Clearly you are the worlds stupidest fish...a Sucker LOL The Confux Fish 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted July 7, 2025 Author Report Posted July 7, 2025 2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: ha Ha Ha ...back again. Took the bait again. Clearly you are the worlds stupidest fish...a Sucker LOL The Confux Fish LOL kid, there's no fishing here. This is more like whack a mole. You're the mole LOLOL and the great thing is you let me play for free! Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted July 7, 2025 Report Posted July 7, 2025 34 minutes ago, CdnFox said: LOL kid, there's no fishing here Of course there is, I drop the hook whole trolling and you bite LOL... Every time LOL The funniest part is that you do not even know you are being trolled Ha Ha Ha 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted July 7, 2025 Author Report Posted July 7, 2025 27 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Of course there is, I drop the hook whole trolling and you bite LOL... Every time LOL The funniest part is that you do not even know you are being trolled Ha Ha Ha *WHAK!* LOLOLOL Keep going kid!!! You're really winningnow!!!! You've just about won!!! Everyone thinks you're great! Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted July 7, 2025 Report Posted July 7, 2025 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: You've just about won!!! Yup, I sure have cause you are back. I will keep winning because you will always bite my bait LOL What a Sucker 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted July 7, 2025 Author Report Posted July 7, 2025 Just now, ExFlyer said: Yup, I sure have cause you are back. I you have cause i'm back? LOL I can always tell when you're getting frustrated and angry when your English starts to slip Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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