TACO Trump Reneges on Mass Deportation Plan: Finally Understands Farms and Hotels Need Immigrant Labor

[robosmith]

What an lDIOT. Just like lDIOT gnat girl here pretends that immigrant laborers are "slaves."  LMAO

[CdnFox]

ummm.... doesn't look like he's reneging at all....

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

ummm.... doesn't look like he's reneging at all....

What DOES it mean though?  What's he trying to signal here?  What do you think?

Honest question.

[gatomontes99]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

What DOES it mean though?  What's he trying to signal here?  What do you think?

Honest question.

Sounds to me like some amnesty deal is coming. That would be a bad idea. But, it is definitely in everyone's best interest to get rid of criminals/gang members first. 

[Michael Hardner]

56 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

Sounds to me like some amnesty deal is coming. That would be a bad idea. But, it is definitely in everyone's best interest to get rid of criminals/gang members first. 

My question was for CF but your reply is interesting to me.

Amnesty ?  It's hard to see how he could navigate that politically.  I also don't see how it could be made to work.  I think there was some discussion about so-called 'dreamers' who were brought to America as children but Republicans were cool to the idea of naturalizing them.

If the goal is to get rid of 'gangs' then it's definitely clearer, you would have to just be clear on the message and have control over execution.  But I agree, it would be a bad idea just based on the political and practical challenges there.

I'm asking honestly because it's a pretty unexpected statement, is all.

[Deluge]

10 hours ago, robosmith said:

What an lDIOT. Just like lDIOT gnat girl here pretends that immigrant laborers are "slaves."  LMAO

robomarx loves slaves, as it makes sense; his political ancestors also loved slaves - the love for slaving has been hardwired into his DNA. 

But remember, stupid; it's always been about getting rid of the violent criminals and gangbangers first. 

First it's the gangbangers and violent criminals. 

Then it's the dumbass protesters. 

Then it's the welfare leeches. 

Then it's case by case for working individuals. 

Edited Friday at 02:59 PM by Deluge

[Matthew]

Mass deportation is purely theatrics for the ignorant. The capacity to aprehend tens of millions of people does not exist. And that's the easiest part.  The logistics of what to do with them next is far more limited and expensive.

Even if it were possible to remove tens of millions of workers, it would destroy the economy and food supply.

So the best they can hope for is emotionally pacifying maggot supporters with aggressive and militarized scenes of raids, even though the scale of what they are doing is still laughably low.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

What DOES it mean though?  What's he trying to signal here?  What do you think?

Honest question.

It would appear to me that what he's saying is that he hears businesses who say they rely on cheap immigrant labour that doesn't get the benefit of regular workers, but he feels (for some reason) that the criminals who are mixed in with the illegals seek out these jobs themselves , and while we must protect our businesses we also must get rid of the criminals so something is going to happen.

Honestly if anything it sounds like he's going to double down. 

I mean it's trump.  Half the time HE doesn't know what he means. But that'd be how i'd read that based on my many years of deciphering cryptotrump.  (Covfeve!!!) 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Matthew said:

Mass deportation is purely theatrics for the ignorant. The capacity to aprehend tens of millions of people does not exist. And that's the easiest part.  The logistics of what to do with them next is far more limited and expensive.

Even if it were possible to remove tens of millions of workers, it would destroy the economy and food supply.

So the best they can hope for is emotionally pacifying maggot supporters with aggressive and militarized scenes of raids, even though the scale of what they are doing is still laughably low.

A few points.

1, He is mostly targeting people that have been here for less than two years. The total number will be considerably lower than 10 million.

All he really needs to do to get a success out of this is send back 10 thousand or so. People will move about in the countries that they are deported back to and talk about what's happened and it will significantly discourage anyone else from trying to enter the country because they will be afraid that they will be thrown out.

We saw this effect to a degree when Trump blocked immigrants from Mexico from entering the country back during COVID and insisted that they apply on the Mexican side. Suddenly there was a lot less illegal crossing and a lot less attempts.

And it doesnt seem impossible that he would be able to get upwards of 10,000 people deported a year without too much trouble.

[robosmith]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

ummm.... doesn't look like he's reneging at all....

"Changes are coming" DJT

Duh

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, robosmith said:

"Changes are coming" DJT

Duh

Congratulations, that was officially your most useless post this month. And it was up against some pretty stiff competition  

[Moonlight Graham]

22 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

What DOES it mean though?  What's he trying to signal here?  What do you think?

Honest question.

Trump's focus for deportations has largely been criminals, including in LA.  Looks like he's pointing that out and saying he's not going to deport all illegals, which he hasn't been doing anyways.

Maybe this is his way of trying to quell some of the uproar in LA.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Trump's focus for deportations has largely been criminals, including in LA.  Looks like he's pointing that out and saying he's not going to deport all illegals, which he hasn't been doing anyways.

Maybe this is his way of trying to quell some of the uproar in LA.

That somewhat makes sense. 

And I'm asking the following question with the admission that I have not been following the story: does it make sense given the reports of non-criminals, citizens being deported? 

Now we're in the realm of the political, I realize. So, even if he's only deporting criminals, there is at least a level of perception that people are being snatched off the street.

[blackbird]

21 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Sounds to me like some amnesty deal is coming. That would be a bad idea. But, it is definitely in everyone's best interest to get rid of criminals/gang members first. 

This sounds like you believe all or most undocumented migrants who are working in honest jobs are criminals.

Most of the undocumented migrants being deported are not criminals by any normal definition of the word. 

Whatever happened to the basic principle of justice that a person is innocent until proven guilty?  Have Republicans and MAGA people all rejected that principle?

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Trump's focus for deportations has largely been criminals

That is not true.  You need to do some study of what has been going on.  He and ICE have been deporting every undocumented person they could find and countless people who should not have been deported.

[gatomontes99]

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

This sounds like you believe all or most undocumented migrants who are working in honest jobs are criminals.

If it sounds like that then a. you should learn how to read quietly and b. you need to learn how to read for comprehension. 

 

27 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Most of the undocumented migrants being deported are not criminals by any normal definition of the word. 

They all are. They broke out immigration laws. By any definition of the word, they are criminals. 

 

28 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Whatever happened to the basic principle of justice that a person is innocent until proven guilty?  Have Republicans and MAGA people all rejected that principle?

Saying illegal aliens need to be deported is no different than saying murders should be in jail. The presumption is that murders are already found guilty and the punishment should be jail. The same applies to illegal aliens. Those that are being deported have deportation orders. That means they've had their "day in court". 

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

illegal aliens

That term sounds very hateful and fascist.  People who are suffering poverty, crime, threats from gangs, and are trying to protect their family by going to a safer place are refugees, not "illegal aliens' from mars.

[User]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

Whatever happened to the basic principle of justice that a person is innocent until proven guilty?  Have Republicans and MAGA people all rejected that principle?

People here ILLEGALLY are criminals. 

It is a violation of Federal law. 

 

29 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That term sounds very hateful and fascist.  People who are suffering poverty, crime, threats from gangs, and are trying to protect their family by going to a safer place are refugees, not "illegal aliens' from mars.

The term "alien" has a legal meaning in US Code, it does not mean they are from mars. 

 

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

That is not true.  You need to do some study of what has been going on.  He and ICE have been deporting every undocumented person they could find and countless people who should not have been deported.

Well, no, there is a pretty good count of those who should not have been, if you reject the invoking of the Alien Enemies Act. 

So, less than 300 or so. 

 

[blackbird]

15 minutes ago, User said:

People here ILLEGALLY are criminals. 

It is a violation of Federal law. 

If you want to be a fascist, you can say that.   But you don't understand that is how people from places like central and south America have immigrated to the U.S. probably for the last 50 or 100 years or more.  They are not well educated.  Maybe very little education and don't know anything about American federal law.  So you are talking into thin air.

That is not how the real world worked for the past 100 years in the U.S.  I have told you many times, they place the safety and well-being of their families first and don't know anything about the technicalities of laws in Washington.  You really need to get educated.  Millions came to America in the past 50 years, not in the last four years under Biden.  They have worked and filled jobs in agriculture, hotels, etc. that nobody else would take.   That's just how they survived.  This happened under previous Republican and Democratic governments for many decades and no real solution has been found. 

Edited Saturday at 04:51 PM by blackbird

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

That somewhat makes sense. 

And I'm asking the following question with the admission that I have not been following the story: does it make sense given the reports of non-criminals, citizens being deported? 

Now we're in the realm of the political, I realize. So, even if he's only deporting criminals, there is at least a level of perception that people are being snatched off the street.

I noticed you asked the question but I also noticed you don't have the decency to reply

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

That term sounds very hateful and fascist.  People who are suffering poverty, crime, threats from gangs, and are trying to protect their family by going to a safer place are refugees, not "illegal aliens' from mars.

Dude you are starting to get weird. Every single thing you look at is somehow now magically fascist if you don't like it. That phrase has been in use in America before they were fascists. It is actually accurate. I'm perfectly aware that over the years it's developed a very negative connotation but there's nothing remotely 'fascist' about it. 

Do you even know what fascism is? Beyond like a 30 second google search or wikipedia article? You're not making a lot of sense. 

You're sounding like those people who use 'Racism' for everything and then claim math is racist. 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

People who are suffering poverty, crime, threats from gangs, and are trying to protect their family by going to a safer place

You mean they're trying to steal what someone else owns. 

I have some sympathy for the idea that a starving man might turn to theft to feed his family without necessarily being an evil man.  But that does NOT make the theft right. I also understand that in Canada we do have the defense of necessity that we inherited from england  but i don't believe that the US ever adopted that principle. 

At the end of the day, the people of the United States Do Have the right to their sovereignty and a violation of that right is a violation. It's fine for people to want a better life for themselves or their kids, but there's a right way and a wrong way to get that and if you choose the wrong way there's consequences. 

That's just how life works. If the americans don't like that then change the laws to make all these people legal and give automatic residency to anyone crossing the border. But they DON"T want that, including the bleeding hearts who are crying about these unlawfully present (better?) people being deported

[Michael Hardner]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I noticed you asked the question but I also noticed you don't have the decency to reply

Reply to your comment you mean? 

That's a strange thing for you to say since I LIKED the comment.

It made sense to me and so I had nothing to add.

[User]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

If you want to be a fascist, you can say that. 

Fascist?

ROFL, it is simply a statement of fact. You can't handle facts very well, because you are a liar. Just like you blatantly lied to me the other day and then ran away when called out for it. 

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Maybe very little education and don't know anything about American federal law.  So you are talking into thin air.

This is a dumb argument. Basic human common sense knows and understands it is wrong to cross another nations borders, especially when they are clearly marked, patrolled, and enforced. 

Also, a large chunk of people evaded border patrol and were smuggled in or snuck in absolutely knowing they are wrong and once you are here, it is literally in the news every other day. 

These things are not a secret. This is not some obscure law that says you can't catch a Rainbow Trout out of the Snake River on every other Thursday and never on Sunday's and definately only a fish between 8 and 10 inches on every odd day of the month and never on Easter. 

Get real. 

None of this changes the fact that they are in fact here illegally and people who are here illegally get deported. 

 

[blackbird]

19 minutes ago, User said:

it is wrong to cross another nations borders, especially when they are clearly marked, patrolled, and enforced. 

Not if you're trying to protect and save your family.  You are dumb.  If you were in their shoes, you would be doing the same thing.  There are many people who came in that way over the past 50 years and work in the U.S.  The world is an imperfect place and people have to be dealt with in a reasonable way, not like a fascist.  They're not criminals as you falsely claim.

Edited Saturday at 07:01 PM by blackbird

[User]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Not if your trying to protect and save your family.  You are dumb.  If you were in their shoes, you would be doing the same thing.  There are many people who came in that way over the past 50 years and work in the U.S.  The world is an imperfect place and people have to be dealt with in a reasonable way, not like a fascist.  They're not criminals as you falsely claim.

If you are trying to protect and save your family, you present yourself at the border and affirmatively claim asylum. 

That is not what the vast majority of illegal immigrants do. 

The vast majority of illegal immigrants are evading authorities. The majority of asylum claims are a defenseive one, where people only claim it AFTER being caught and facing deportation. 

Of all asylum claims, on the best year, 50% are approved, usually more than that are rejected. 

You are a liar. You will do or say anything here to support this lawlessness.