Israel Bombs Iran

[robosmith]

On 6/13/2025 at 4:57 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You should support Iran because it is a peaceful beautiful country. You must oppose Islamic Republic because it is a murderous terrorist regime.

Israel and Iran are BOTH murderous terrorist regimes. Both are what the US made them, though Hitler had a large hand in the making of the Zionists who terrorized the Palestinians.

Only difference is the US gave Israel their superior weapons.

[robosmith]

On 6/15/2025 at 8:15 AM, WestCanMan said:

When did this war start? 

Is Trump responsible for the fact that Iran is so close to having nukes? 

Trump is responsible for LYING about "Iran is so close to having nukes."

On 6/15/2025 at 8:15 AM, WestCanMan said:

Is Iran only making nukes because of Trump? Or Biden?

NO EVIDENCE "Iran is making nukes."

US Intelligence says they were NOT. 

Pretty sure they WILL NOW, because the Israeli attack was what they were preparing for. 

On 6/15/2025 at 8:15 AM, WestCanMan said:

Oct 7th/the war didn't happen just because of Biden's weakness, it happened because of Tehran's evil. 

You  don't know what you're ^talking about. Netanyahu approved Qatar sending $100s of millions TO HAMAS.

And knew about Oct plans a year in advance and FAILED to defend the attack.

On 6/15/2025 at 8:15 AM, WestCanMan said:

The attack on Iran happened because if they get nukes they will end Israel. If they can nuke Tel Aviv and Jerusalem then they're left with a bunch of big towns, really. They'll just have a few cities of 100k, and the desert. 

Your PREDICTION means NOTHING. It was Israel which attacked Iran as they have been THREATENING for a LONG TIME, lDIOT.

[User]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Trump is responsible for LYING about "Iran is so close to having nukes."

No lie here. 

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

NO EVIDENCE "Iran is making nukes."

US Intelligence says they were NOT. 

Pretty sure they WILL NOW, because the Israeli attack was what they were preparing for. 

Why are you such a liar?

Iran themselves have admitted they were enriching uranium to make nuclear weapons. 

You don't need heavily fortified mountain bunkers filled with uranium enrichment centrifuges if you are not enriching uranium to weapons grade. 

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

And knew about Oct plans a year in advance and FAILED to defend the attack.

You are a liar. A lousy sad pathetic little man of a liar cowardly hiding from me because I call you out for your lies. 

 

[BeaverFever]

On 6/24/2025 at 12:51 AM, CdnFox said:

Literally the opposite of the truth. 

I'll hand it to you lefites, nobody can rewrite history the way you do   

Once again your post is just “nuh-uh” without  offering a shred of what you think is incorrect, what you think the truth activist is, or any evidence whatsoever. This is a pathetic new tactic of yours, you’re not winning the argument. 

[User]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Once again your post is just “nuh-uh” without  offering a shred of what you think is incorrect, what you think the truth activist is, or any evidence whatsoever. This is a pathetic new tactic of yours, you’re not winning the argument. 

As opposed to your new tactic of showing up once a week, making a few comments based on your usual half-truths or outright lies, and then running away like it never happened... to show up a week later and do it over again. 

Remember that stupid list of right-wing violence you produced, where you claimed the left was not like that?

Yeah, I showed you otherwise, and you ran away, never to return. 

 

[BeaverFever]

On 6/24/2025 at 1:55 AM, User said:

Is it something with the liberal brain that hardwires you guys to take away responsibility from bad actors for doing the bad things they do?

Iran chose to pursue a nuclear program. That was their choice to take sanctions instead of stopping.

We are talking about how things lead to this point with westcan trying to claim Biden somehow started this  

Iran is a bad actor that’s not in dispute. However the US and Israel are like crooked cops who frame the neighborhood criminal for crimes they didn’t when it serves their own interests to do so, arguing “whose side are you on?” After all, the neighborhood criminal is still a criminal and is not an “innocent” person, even if they didn’t happen to commit the particular crime they’ve been framed with  

By all accounts (except Netanyahu’s which still remain unproven a decade later) Iran had stopped its nuclear program in 2015 and then Trump unilaterally scuttled the deal for political reasons and imposed crippling sanctions so naturally Iran abandoned its pledge as well, why wouldn’t it?

 

On 6/24/2025 at 1:55 AM, User said:

Iran chose to destabilize the region through their actions, things they were doing long before Trump took office, things they were doing even after Obama gave them plane loads of case and agreed to the awful JCPOA. 

I don’t think they got “plane loads of (cash?)” and the JCPOA was working  

On 6/24/2025 at 1:55 AM, User said:

But nope... somehow in your twisted brain you come up with a way to contort this into blaming Trump and excusing Iran of any agency of their own. 

I am not excusing Iran of anything Im just giving you a recap of how the cheas game played out over the last decade and that the chain of directly contributing events goes back to the cancellation of JCPOA without any clear alternative plan. As I mentioned thanks to Trump, Iran’s nuclear program has been unmonitored and unhindered for almost a decade now and they made major technological gains during that time

[BeaverFever]

10 minutes ago, User said:

As opposed to your new tactic of showing up once a week, making a few comments based on your usual half-truths or outright lies, and then running away like it never happened... to show up a week later and do it over again. 

Remember that stupid list of right-wing violence you produced, where you claimed the left was not like that?

Yeah, I showed you otherwise, and you ran away, never to return. 

 

Sorry unlike you I have a full and rewarding life outside of internet chat forums: friends, family, career….something you don’t seem to know much about..  I am not going to spend all day every day going line by line with know-nothing ideologues who are barely incapable of understanding let alone accepting facts that conflict with their ideology. 
 

I don’t post lies or half-truths, you MAGAs just impulsively impky that to any inconvenient facts that you would rather not believe. As for your ridiculous list of left wing violence it’s pathetic how far back in history you had to go. There’s no left wing equivalent to the Oklahoma City bombing or Jan 6 and the Weather Underground never assassinated people the way anti-abortionists assassinated abortion providers. There’s no left wing militia movement shooting it out with federal agents. There have been multiple recent instances of nutjob republicans attempting to assassinate Democrat politicians, only 1 instance of a Democrat  doing anything similar. 

[BeaverFever]

On 6/24/2025 at 11:52 AM, WestCanMan said:

The Iran nuclear deal wasn't working. They were enriching Uranium well past the point where it needed to be for use in any civilian application. 

They were also still in the business of arming terrorist groups with things like cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. What's the point of that?

Only after Trump killed JCPOA did they enrich uranium to higher levels and supply cruise and ballistic  

 

On 6/24/2025 at 11:52 AM, WestCanMan said:

The Israelis also have a far greater intelligence gathering capacity in that region than everyone else combined. You're comparing the opinions of a few HS chess clubs to that of Magnus Carlsen.

1) A decade later and they still haven’t produced a shred of evidence to support their original claims

2) USA and the rest of the JCPOA have their own advanced intelligence resources and it’s unlikely that they would find the complete opposite result of what Netamyahu claimed 

3) Israel would normally be sharing intelligence of such critical importance with USA  if not others as well and this would be included in USA’s own intelligence assessment so the fact that USA amd others came to a different conclusion either means Netanyahu’s claims were non-existent or not credible  

 

On 6/24/2025 at 11:52 AM, WestCanMan said:

Iran was building their enrichment program to a capacity and capability level and with a level of security that made it very quick for them to transition to bomb-making, and very hard for Israel to prevent. That had nothing to do with anything that Trump did. It was happening while Obama was president. 

This is simply an unproven claim from a heavily biased source that is contrary to all publicly known facts, period. 
 

On 6/24/2025 at 11:52 AM, WestCanMan said:

S that CNN propaganda or Al Jazeera propaganda? Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference. 

It’s a statement of facts which you clearly can’t even challenge or rebut.  It’s a fact that under Trump Iranian uranium enrichment capability went from 3.25% purity capped and verified by the Trump admin itself under JCPOA to 20% after Trump killed the program and now it was up to 60% before the recent bombardment (90% is required for weapons grade). 

[User]

47 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

We are talking about how things lead to this point with westcan trying to claim Biden somehow started this  

Yeah, and I was responding to your comments that were absolving Iran from any agency, as if their actions were no fault of their own. 

48 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Iran is a bad actor that’s not in dispute. However the US and Israel are like crooked cops who frame the neighborhood criminal for crimes they didn’t when it serves their own interests to do so, arguing “whose side are you on?” After all, the neighborhood criminal is still a criminal and is not an “innocent” person, even if they didn’t happen to commit the particular crime they’ve been framed with  

OK... so what is the actual thing here you think Iran is innocent of, and the US and America are crooked cops for?

48 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

By all accounts (except Netanyahu’s which still remain unproven a decade later) Iran had stopped its nuclear program in 2015 and then Trump unilaterally scuttled the deal for political reasons and imposed crippling sanctions so naturally Iran abandoned its pledge as well, why wouldn’t it?

This is entirely false.

There is no "stopping" a nuclear program. A nuclear program is comprised of many things from having the equipment, the scientists, the materials...

The only thing that stopped in 2015 was that Iran agreed to a 10-15-year pause on how much uranium enrichment they would do. 

They still have the equipment, the facilities, and the scientists; none of that fully went gone away. 

It was the entire reason folks argued the deal was such a sham, because all Iran had to do was sit around for the 10-15 years, then sprint to enough enriched uranium to make a bomb. 

53 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I don’t think they got “plane loads of (cash?)” and the JCPOA was working  

Working... how? Again, it was little more than a pause. If by working, you meant slightly dely the inevitable, sure. 

Bombs seem to work a lot better. 

Yes, they got plane loads of cash. 

Stop playing dumb, this stuff is easily googled and was heavily reported on:

US sent plane with $400 million in cash to Iran
https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-400-million-cash

"President Barack Obama approved the $400 million transfer, which he had announced in January as part of the Iran nuclear deal. The money was flown into Iran on wooden pallets stacked with Swiss francs, euros and other currencies as the first installment of a $1.7 billion settlement resolving claims at an international tribunal at The Hague over a failed arms deal under the time of the Shah."
 

56 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I am not excusing Iran of anything Im just giving you a recap of how the cheas game played out over the last decade and that the chain of directly contributing events goes back to the cancellation of JCPOA without any clear alternative plan. As I mentioned thanks to Trump, Iran’s nuclear program has been unmonitored and unhindered for almost a decade now and they made major technological gains during that time

Yeah, you were absolving them of their agency before and blaming Trump. 

There was no "recap" it was just blame Trump. 

The chain of events goes back to Iran developing a nuclear weapon while being openly hostile to Israel chanting death to Israel... 

The plan was clear enough, Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. We see how that has played out. 

Thanks to Trump, we just bombed their main hardened sites and Israel took out a whole hell of a lot more. 

The JCPOA was not a plan, it was nothing more than a stall tactic. 

[User]

50 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Sorry unlike you I have a full and rewarding life outside of internet chat forums: friends, family, career….something you don’t seem to know much about..  I am not going to spend all day every day going line by line with know-nothing ideologues who are barely incapable of understanding let alone accepting facts that conflict with their ideology. 

Oh please, you always make the time when you think you have an angle you can argue. When the facts are stone cold against you... run away. 

Just like now, instead of just admitting you were wrong, you play this dumb game. 

51 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I don’t post lies or half-truths, you MAGAs just impulsively impky that to any inconvenient facts that you would rather not believe. As for your ridiculous list of left wing violence it’s pathetic how far back in history you had to go. There’s no left wing equivalent to the Oklahoma City bombing or Jan 6 and the Weather Underground never assassinated people the way anti-abortionists assassinated abortion providers. There’s no left wing militia movement shooting it out with federal agents. There have been multiple recent instances of nutjob republicans attempting to assassinate Democrat politicians, only 1 instance of a Democrat  doing anything similar. 

You are lying and hiding right now. Instead of going back to that comment where I listed out the things the left did, you just make your same dishonest comment again. 

How far back I go... as you list out the Oklahoma City bombing? There is nothing honest about what you are doing right now. 

I did not mention the Weather Underground either. 

So... keep running away like you always do. 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

As for your ridiculous list of left wing violence it’s pathetic how far back in history you had to go. There’s no left wing equivalent to the Oklahoma City bombing or Jan 6

Here you go again, since you want to lie, this is the list:

-2020 BLM Vioence
-Support for violence against ICE now
-Firebombing PA Gov Home
-Congressional Baseball shooting 2017
-Attempted murder of Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh
-The something like 100 pro-life preganancy centers that have been attacked since Roe v Wade was overturned
-The Catholic churches attacked since Roe V Wade was overturned
-The targetting of Teslas and Tesla dealerships
-The various mass shootings by Transgender folks

Notice, all of these examples are new, the farthest back I went was 2017. The rest of these are all recent. 

You say nothing compares to J6... except the 2020 BLM violence, which far surpassed it in almost every objectively measurable way. 



 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Once again your post is just “nuh-uh” without  offering a shred of what you think is incorrect, what you think the truth activist is, or any evidence whatsoever. This is a pathetic new tactic of yours, you’re not winning the argument. 

What do you mean once again, I almost always reply with a great detail only to listen to you whine about it   

It's not that much more to say than that, others have already told you. What you said was factually inaccurate and it's a story you made up in order to try and justify the conclusion you've already arrived at today. Normal people look for the facts and then make it conclusion but you very frequently decide on a conclusion and then try and rearrange the facts to match it

And I'm not trying to win the argument, I'm pointing at you and laughing at your stupidity. And no, that's not new, I pretty much point and laugh at all stupid people   

You already lost the argument without my help. Looks like I'm not the only one that can give you a beat down from time to time

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Only after Trump killed JCPOA did they enrich uranium to higher levels and supply cruise and ballistic  

Iran and NoKo were openly working on ICBMs and nukes when Obama was president, with money Obama gave them.

"But Twumpy!!!!!" 😂

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1) A decade later and they still haven’t produced a shred of evidence to support their original claims

2) USA and the rest of the JCPOA have their own advanced intelligence resources and it’s unlikely that they would find the complete opposite result of what Netamyahu claimed 

3) Israel would normally be sharing intelligence of such critical importance with USA  if not others as well and this would be included in USA’s own intelligence assessment so the fact that USA amd others came to a different conclusion either means Netanyahu’s claims were non-existent or not credible  

1) Iran has Uranium enriched far past what they need for use in any civilian capacity, they do did that in a fortified bunker 300 feet underground, and they make ICBMs and nukes. 

Connect the dots you f'n ret4rd.

3) The US gov't doesn't even share sensitive information with the Dems' Hamas supporters in congress. Not sharing top-secret info with the US gov't is smart now.

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This is simply an unproven claim from a heavily biased source that is contrary to all publicly known facts, period. 

Are you accusing me of quoting CNN or CBC? That's low, Beave. It's akin to calling someone a pedophile. 

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It’s a statement of facts which you clearly can’t even challenge or rebut.  It’s a fact that under Trump Iranian uranium enrichment capability went from 3.25% purity capped and verified by the Trump admin itself under JCPOA to 20% after Trump killed the program and now it was up to 60% before the recent bombardment (90% is required for weapons grade). 

Would you look at that f-head...?

At the same time that Russia started amassing troops on Ukraine's border, Iran told the world to f-off and started enriching Uranium to 60%.

What else happened in early 2021, dummy?