Have Trump and his ICE agents become a terrifying Fascist state?

[blackbird]

50 minutes ago, User said:

No, the whole think is Federal law, long before Trump became President. This isn't hypocrisy on my part, you are the one who doesn't want to enforce law here... so you bring up Trump to justify that. 

The fact is there are millions of undocumented migrants who have been living and working in the U.S. for decades.

Then to get re-elected Trump calls all of them criminals and promises to deport millions all of a sudden.  The whole thing smells of politics.

[taxme]

On 6/14/2025 at 11:07 PM, robosmith said:

Too bad you're NEITHER a JUDGE nor a JURY and therefore your OPINIONS mean NOTHING LEGALLY.

Too bad you don't understand what it means when the US Constitution says "all persons." LMAO

You are just a small little smelly fart in a hurricane. What you say here means nothing to anyone either, comrade. At least i come here to help fight and destroy globalist communism. You only come on here to support globalist communism, comrade. 

You appear to not understand as to what the Constitution really means or is really all about. Trump really does. Fyi, little fart, the Constitution is all about freedom and rights. Something like all you comrades fails to understand or believe in. 

I am pretty sure that if Stalin were still alive today he would be getting your vote all the time, eh comrade? Stalin just loves comrade suckers like you around. Lieberalism is communism. Wake the phk up, will ya, comrade. 🤢

[robosmith]

13 minutes ago, taxme said:

You are just a small little smelly fart in a hurricane. What you say here means nothing to anyone either, comrade. At least i come here to help fight and destroy globalist communism. You only come on here to support globalist communism, comrade. 

You appear to not understand as to what the Constitution really means or is really all about. Trump really does. Fyi, little fart, the Constitution is all about freedom and rights. Something like all you comrades fails to understand or believe in. 

I am pretty sure that if Stalin were still alive today he would be getting your vote all the time, eh comrade? Stalin just loves comrade suckers like you around. Lieberalism is communism. Wake the phk up, will ya, comrade. 🤢

Too bad you STILL don't understand what it means when the US Constitution says "all persons." LMAO

[taxme]

On 6/14/2025 at 11:11 PM, robosmith said:

We don't get why you  believe your legal OPINION matters when you have NO CREDENTIALS NOR CREDIBILITY. 

If some illegal is not a legal American citizen then why should they get to vote? Why should some illegal get to vote on a political issue that could effect an American political issue and get to vote against that American political issue where the illegals can now effect the outcome of that vote and in the end may end up getting the numbers needed to vote down the American political issue? They could be denying a legal American citizen from getting some political issue that they are fighting for to not get passed? Does that make sense to you? If you are a lieberal, i guess that it will makes sense to a all you stunned lieberals out there. All your credentials are all liberal communist ones and therefore you really do not have any credentials at all, comrade. 🤣

 

[CdnFox]

43 minutes ago, blackbird said:

1.  If one is trying to save his family from criminals or dire poverty and is like a person drowning in an ocean, it is understandable why they would try to cross the border.  One does what they have to do in an emergency to save their family.

And it is understandable that one may throw that ones' ass back across because they don't belong. One does what they have to when you deal with a criminal. 

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2.  Applying to enter the U.S. legally is an impossibility.  The requirements are out of reach for most people.  Very few if any could be approved.

So basically that what you're saying is you they know that they had no lawful right to come to the country and they're just criminals and thieves stealing what they can't get by other means

Instead of staying at home and working with other like-minded people to build a good country

All you're doing is arguing for why we should throw them back faster.

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3.  You are one to speak of compassion.  You would just grab anyone and deport them.   As least I have some concern about the harsh treatment of migrants.

The only thing you have concern for is your virtue signaling. You have absolutely no concern for the victims involved here. In fact you can't even identify the victims involved here, you think it's the people that broke the law to steal that which wasn't theirs.

You have just admitted that these people would never be allowed into the country and have no business here. They're only reason according to you is that they don't like things where they are and rather than organize and make things better where they are they will steal what someone else has built with no regard for decency or rule of law

 

You're kind of digging yourself deeper here.

Like I said, if the Americans want to have a conversation and change the law and do away with immigration requirements and let just anybody in then they can have that conversation and they can do that. But whatever they decide other people have to respect and live with that.

And if these criminals don't like things at home, organize and make things better. That's how the world works. If you don't like your house you fix up your house, you don't steal your neighbor's house

[robosmith]

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

If some illegal is not a legal American citizen then why should they get to vote? Why should some illegal get to vote on a political issue that could effect an American political issue and get to vote against that American political issue where the illegals can now effect the outcome of that vote and in the end may end up getting the numbers needed to vote down the American political issue? They could be denying a legal American citizen from getting some political issue that they are fighting for to not get passed? Does that make sense to you? If you are a lieberal, i guess that it will makes sense to a all you stunned lieberals out there. All your credentials are all liberal communist ones and therefore you really do not have any credentials at all, comrade. 🤣

 

Non-citizens have no right to vote and very few of the ever try, because there is no gain to justify the RISK.

[taxme]

On 6/15/2025 at 2:43 AM, blackbird said:

Clearly you don't know anything about the Constitution, laws, and court rulings.  You just pull your ideas out of thin air and post them.  Non-citizens do have legal rights, even if their rights are not always respected or adhered to.  

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What constitutional rights do undocumented immigrants have?

Politics Jun 25, 2018 5:08 PM EDT

On Sunday, President Donald Trump tweeted that undocumented immigrants should be immediately returned “from where they came” with “no Judges or Court Cases.”

This, along with the administration’s “zero-tolerance” immigration policy and the recent spike in family separations at the border — a practice President Donald Trump ended through executive order — has called attention to the legal rights of immigrants under U.S. law.

What rights do undocumented immigrants have to a court hearing, to an attorney or to free speech? What rights do their children have to education?

How those rights play out in practice is more complex.

To answer those questions, we must start with a more basic question–does the U.S. Constitution apply to undocumented immigrants?

“Yes, without question,” said Cristina Rodriguez, a professor at Yale Law School. “Most of the provisions of the Constitution apply on the basis of personhood and jurisdiction in the United States.”

Many parts of the Constitution use the term “people” or “person” rather than “citizen.” Rodriguez said those laws apply to everyone physically on U.S. soil, whether or not they are a citizen.

As a result, many of the basic rights, such as the freedom of religion and speech, the right to due process and equal protection under the law apply to citizens and noncitizens. How those rights play out in practice is more complex.

Right to due process

What the law says: The Fifth Amendment states that “no person … shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.”

The issue of due process is at the heart of many immigration cases, including Reno v. Flores, the 1993 Supreme Court case that has returned to the spotlight with the surge in family separations. The case led to an agreement requiring the government to release children to their parents, a relative or a licensed program within 20 days.

In the ruling, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote “it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in deportation proceedings.”

How it works in practice: Immigrants have the right to due process. But in reality, says, Andrew Arthur, a resident fellow in law and policy at the conservative Center for Immigration Studies, “courts of law run the gamut.”

In some cases, immigrants are not granted a hearing at all. When asked about the president’s tweet, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders pointed to the process of “expedited removal,” which was created by the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.

“Just because you don’t see a judge doesn’t mean you aren’t receiving due process,” Sanders said.

Under the expedited removal process, immigrants who have been in the country illegally for less than two years and are apprehended within 100 miles of the border can be deported almost immediately without going through a court hearing.

The exception is asylum seekers, who must be granted a hearing.

Those who are not processed through expedited removal have the right to due process in an immigration court, where the main goal is to decide whether a person has a legal claim to remain in the U.S.

“In immigration court, you have very few rights,” said John Gihon, an immigration attorney who spent six years as a prosecutor for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement before moving into private practice.

Gihon says the bar for what constitutes evidence is lax in immigration court. Documents do not have to be authenticated, and hearsay, a statement made by someone outside of the court, as opposed to on the witness stand, counts as admissible evidence. Hearsay is not allowed in most U.S. courts.

“In the majority of cases, it’s a lock solid 100 percent guaranteed conviction because there is little defense, and most would confess they crossed the border illegally,” Gihon said.

The right to legal counsel

What the law says: The Sixth Amendment states that “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall…have the assistance of counsel for his defense.”

The Supreme Court ruled in the 1963 case Gideon v Wainwright that if a person is too poor to hire an attorney, the government must appoint one.

How it works in practice: Because most deportation proceedings are civil rather than criminal cases, the right to legal counsel often doesn’t apply.

The Trump administration’s zero-tolerance policy now requires most illegal border crossings to be tried as criminal cases, the exception being parents who cross the border illegally with children. After public outcry about separating families, the head of Customs and Border Protection said Monday the agency has stopped referring parents for prosecution. Other immigrants will still be charged with a crime.

Under the law, anyone facing a criminal charge has the right to counsel. However, the government is only required to provide counsel if the person is accused of a felony. Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor.

In recent weeks, people have donated millions of dollars to nonprofit groups to pay for immigrants’ legal fees.

The Trump administration’s decision to criminally charge immigrants has overwhelmed the courts, as demonstrated last month by a leaked photo of a trial in Pecos, Texas.

The image shows dozens of men in orange jumpsuits being tried en masse. In such proceedings, reports the Intercept, which originally published the photo, trials can last only minutes per defendant.

The right to be with your family

What the law says: Critics of family separation have pointed to the legal right to “family integrity.” This right is not spelled out in the Constitution but was established through court rulings in the early 20th century, Rodriguez said.

“People have a right to be with and commune with their family. It’s a very basic principle,” she said.

The government can split up families in extraordinary circumstances, such as in the case of child abuse, but it cannot do so without going through a legal process.

How it works in practice: Before Trump signed the executive order Wednesday, the administration had divided families as a matter of course, without considering the individual cases. The ACLU sued, arguing the policy was unconstitutional.

The court has not issued a final ruling, and the president’s executive order could change the case. But a judge did rule earlier this month that the case could proceed, saying immigrants have a right to “familial association” under the Constitution.

Right to vote or hold office

What the law says: The Constitution does not prohibit anyone from voting. Instead, it spells out who cannot be denied the right to vote. The 14th Amendment says men who are U.S. citizens and over the age of 21 must be allowed to vote, unless they have committed a crime. The 15th Amendment prohibits anyone from denying the right to vote based on skin color and the 19th Amendment prohibits denying the right to vote based on sex (aka being a woman).

It wasn’t until 1926 that all states passed laws barring noncitizens from voting. Congress passed a law 70 years later prohibiting illegal immigrants from voting “for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner.”

How it works in practice: If you are not a U.S. citizen, voting in a federal election could land you in prison for up to three years or lead to deportation. States can impose their own, sometimes harsher, penalties for breaking the law.

However, because elections are largely a local affair, some states allow local governments to decide whether noncitizens can vote in local elections.

In fact, noncitizens in Chicago have been allowed to vote for school board since 1989. New Yorkers who were not citizens were given the same right from 1969 until 2003, when local school boards were abolished there. Now San Francisco and Maryland are also giving noncitizens the right to vote in some local elections.

The right to education

What the law says: There is no “right to education” in the Constitution but two other sections do come into play when considering whether undocumented migrant children should have access to education.

First, in the case Plyler v. Doe, the Supreme Court ruled that if children who are citizens have access to a free, public education, so should undocumented immigrant children. That is because the 14th Amendment says the government cannot “deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

What it means in practice: The court case means undocumented children cannot be prohibited from enrolling in a public school.

But what if a child is being detained and, therefore, does not have access to a public school. That is where, once again, the Flores settlement comes into play.

The settlement requires that facilities where children are kept must meet minimum requirements for providing health care, education, recreation and other child care services.

Right against unreasonable search and seizure

What the law says: The Fourth Amendment establishes the right “against unreasonable searches and seizures.”

What it means in practice: While this law would generally apply to both citizens and noncitizens, there is a key caveat known as the “border search exception.”

This exception dates back to the very first Congress, which passed a law allowing searchers at the border as a means to collecting duties.

As a result, courts have long upheld that searches at the border are not considered “unreasonable” for the very fact that they occur at the border.

The question courts have grappled with since is what constitutes the border. Searches at airports and other ports of entry for example are often considered legal. The Justice Department has also established a 100-mile wide “extended border” where Border Patrol agents can conduct searches if they meet certain criteria.

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What constitutional rights do undocumented immigrants have? | PBS News

Long winded, but whether you like it or not, Trump does not have to give due process to any illegals that entered America illegally. If you do know your constitution at all you must know that there is a law that says that if someone enters America illegally they have committed an immigration policy offence against immigration laws. They have become criminals. How does any illegal get to have due process when they broke the law? 

The staggering cost alone to give the tens of millions of illegals in America today due process, which would take years to complete is bloody ridiculous. Why not just boot them out of the country and save hundreds of billions of tax dollars trying to keep and give due process to criminal illegals. 

This has really nothing to do with trying to give due process to criminal illegals but more to do with flooding the country with future voters for the demoncrats and for illegals that will work for slave wages. Right now, all Trump  and you should be bloody well glad that Trump has the balls to do so. Giving due process to criminal illegals is insane. You appear to some insanity issues, fella. 😇

[taxme]

On 6/15/2025 at 7:38 AM, blackbird said:

Children of illegal migrants who are born in the U.S. are, according to the Constitution, automatically U.S. citizens.

So if an illegal migrant has a spouse who is an American citizen and/or has children born in the U.S., that changes the whole picture and such illegal migrants should not be deported.  It is not the children's fault that they have a parent who is an illegal migrant.  So on humanitarian grounds, such migrants should not be deported.

Even if a migrant committed a criminal offence, if they have a spouse or children who are U.S. citizens, they should not be deported, but they should be punished in the U.S. in the area in which their family lives for any crime.  Children should not be punished for the faults of a parent.  

Deporting a parent of an American child is both inhumane and may be breaking up a family.  The family structure is a kind of sacred structure that must be protected and respected.  

Then that illegal spouse can apply for American citizenship from whatever country they are living in at the time. If they decided to enter America illegally then they broke an immigration law. They should have giving more thought of what they were doing by entering America illegally. It is not fair for those legal immigrants that entered America legally. Stop feeling sorry for illegals. They broke the law and they have to be deported, otherwise, this illegal immigration nonsense will go on forever. It is time for some tough love. Just my opinion. 

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

and you should be bloody well glad that Trump has the balls to do so. Giving due process to criminal illegals is insane. You appear to some insanity issues, fella.

So you trust a convicted felon to be doing the right things?  He screwed Canada and other countries pretty well with his tariffs and killed thousands of jobs.  Not the brightest light in the world to be trusting to do the right thing.

I already posted an article that shows undocumented migrants are doing countless jobs in agriculture, hotels, and other jobs that nobody else wants to touch.  Trump had to put the brakes on deporting people in a lot of jobs.

America is an exclusive club and only certain people are accepted into it and the rest well, tough luck.  Not much humanity in that kind of system.  Definitely fascist.

6 minutes ago, taxme said:

They have become criminals. How does any illegal get to have due process when they broke the law? 

"Criminal illegals is a bit of stretch for people who are just trying to feed and take care of their families.  You are just fortunate you were born in a relatively prosperous country with far fewer criminals.  You did nothing to earn it.  It was just an accident you are here.  Don't scoff at the less fortunate and call them criminal illegals.  You don't know what will happen in the future.  You're just very fortunate now and you did nothing to earn it.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

Then that illegal spouse can apply for American citizenship from whatever country they are living in at the time. If they decided to enter America illegally then they broke an immigration law. They should have giving more thought of what they were doing by entering America illegally. It is not fair for those legal immigrants that entered America legally. Stop feeling sorry for illegals. They broke the law and they have to be deported, otherwise, this illegal immigration nonsense will go on forever. It is time for some tough love. Just my opinion. 

Seems you don't know anything about the American immigration system.  Ordinary people can't just apply to enter America.  It is a very strict system and only a privileged few can make it in under the system.  

Again you don't know how fortunate you are to be born in this country.  Nothing you did earned it.  What right do you have  to be here in this piece of land on the earth than some immigrant in some poor country that is trying to help his family survive?

You just won the lottery.  That's the only difference.

[gatomontes99]

On 6/12/2025 at 11:58 PM, blackbird said:

This information is presented for those who want to know the truth about undocumented migrants in the U.S.  

They are for the most part not criminals as the orange man and MAGA people would have you believe.  There are many liars and deceived fools on these forums who could care less about facts and truth.  We see their endless comments proving their own ignorance about what is really happening.  The U.S. has a system which has evolved over the years and in the system, it is very difficult to acquire citizenship or even a green card or work VISA, especially if you are one of the millions who in desperation came to the U.S. to try find a job and help your family survive or escape criminal gangs and crime.  

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A snapshot of who they are

Pew Research Center estimates that about 11.3 million people are currently living in the U.S. without authorization, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. More than half come from Mexico, and about 15 percent come from other parts Latin America.

Get the dataChart: The Conversation, CC-BY-ND Source: Pew Research Center

About 8 million of them have jobs, making up 5 percent of the U.S. workforce, figures that have remained more or less steady for the past decade.

Geographically, these unauthorized workers are spread throughout the U.S. but are unsurprisingly most concentrated in border states like California and Texas, where they make up about 9 percent of both states' workforces, while in Nevada, their share is over 10 percent.

Get the dataMap: The Conversation, CC-BY-ND Source: Pew Research Center

Their representation in particular industries is even more pronounced, and the Department of Agriculture estimates that about half of the nation's farmworkers are unauthorized, while 15 percent of those in construction lack papers – more than the share of legal immigrants in either industry. In the service sector, which would include jobs such as fast food and domestic help, the figure is about 9 percent.

Get the dataChart: The Conversation, CC-BY-ND Source: USDA, Pew Research Center

Further studies show that the importance of this population of workers will only grow in coming years. For example, in 2014, unauthorized immigrants made up 24 percent of maids and cleaners, an occupation expected to need 112,000 more workers by 2024. In construction, the number of additional laborers needed is estimated at close to 150,000. And while only 4 percent of personal care and home health aides are undocumented, the U.S. will soon require more than 800,000 people to fill the jobs necessary to take care of retiring baby boomers.

Vital to American farms

Since agriculture is the industry that's most reliant on undocumented workers – and it's my area of expertise and research – let's zoom in on it.

Overall, the agricultural industry in the United States has been on the decline since 1950. Back then, farming was a family business that employed more than 10 million workers, 77 percent of whom were classified as "family." As of 2000 – the latest such data available – only 3 million work on farms, and as noted earlier, an estimated half are undocumented.

 

Increasingly, dairy farms such as those in New York rely on workers from Mexico and Guatemala, many of whom are believed to be undocumented. Currently, there is no visa program for year-round workers on dairy farms, so the precarious status of these workers poses serious concerns for the economic viability of the dairy industry.

In 2017 research conducted by the Cornell Farmworker Program, 30 New York dairy farmers told us they turned to undocumented workers because they were unable to find and keep reliable U.S. citizens to do the jobs. That's in part because farm work can be physically demanding, dirty and socially denigrated work. More importantly, it is one the most dangerous occupations in the U.S.

A study commissioned by the dairy industry suggested that if federal labor and immigration policies reduced the number of foreign-born workers by 50 percent, more than 3,500 dairy farms would close, leading to a big drop in milk production and a spike in prices of about 30 percent. Total elimination of immigrant labor would increase milk prices by 90 percent.   unquote

These U.S. industries can't work without illegal immigrants - CBS News

 

You started with a lie. Trump did not promise to just deport criminals. That was always listed as the first step and it was never the last:

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/where-trump-and-harris-stand-on-immigration-and-border-security/

Trump vows mass deportations

Immigration was the issue that propelled Trump into the White House the first time and what he hopes will give him another term.

During just about every campaign speech or appearance, he has portrayed immigration as out of control.

One of Trump’s key promises if reelected is to mount the largest domestic deportation in U.S. history. He made similar promises when he first ran for office, but during his administration, deportations never topped 350,000.

For comparison, then-President Barack Obama carried out 432,000 deportations in 2013, the highest annual total since records were kept.

This time, Trump has given some more specifics on his promises. He said he’ll use the National Guard to round up migrants. And he said he would invoke the Alien Enemies Act, a 1798 law that allows the president to deport any noncitizen from a country that the U.S. is at war with.

He’s also vowed to kick out hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have entered the country under two key Biden administration programs if he’s reelected.

Any mass deportation plans would certainly be challenged in court and be enormously expensive to carry out. And it would depend on countries being willing to take back their citizens.

Trump says he also would bring back policies he put in place during his first term, like the Remain in Mexico program and Title 42. Remain in Mexico made migrants wait in Mexico while their asylum cases were heard, while Title 42 curbed immigration on public health grounds.

He has said he’ll revive and expand a travel ban from his term that originally targeted citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries and pledged new “ideological screening” for immigrants to bar “dangerous lunatics, haters, bigots and maniacs.”

Trump also seeks to end birthright citizenship for people born in the U.S. whose parents are both in the country illegally.

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If all he was going to do was deport criminals, why wasn't it even mentioned in this article in September? 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

You started with a lie. Trump did not promise to just deport criminals. That was always listed as the first step and it was never the last:

https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elections/2024/where-trump-and-harris-stand-on-immigration-and-border-security/

Trump vows mass deportations

Immigration was the issue that propelled Trump into the White House the first time and what he hopes will give him another term.

During just about every campaign speech or appearance, he has portrayed immigration as out of control.

One of Trump’s key promises if reelected is to mount the largest domestic deportation in U.S. history. He made similar promises when he first ran for office, but during his administration, deportations never topped 350,000.

For comparison, then-President Barack Obama carried out 432,000 deportations in 2013, the highest annual total since records were kept.

This time, Trump has given some more specifics on his promises. He said he’ll use the National Guard to round up migrants. And he said he would invoke the Alien Enemies Act, a 1798 law that allows the president to deport any noncitizen from a country that the U.S. is at war with.

He’s also vowed to kick out hundreds of thousands of immigrants who have entered the country under two key Biden administration programs if he’s reelected.

Any mass deportation plans would certainly be challenged in court and be enormously expensive to carry out. And it would depend on countries being willing to take back their citizens.

Trump says he also would bring back policies he put in place during his first term, like the Remain in Mexico program and Title 42. Remain in Mexico made migrants wait in Mexico while their asylum cases were heard, while Title 42 curbed immigration on public health grounds.

He has said he’ll revive and expand a travel ban from his term that originally targeted citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries and pledged new “ideological screening” for immigrants to bar “dangerous lunatics, haters, bigots and maniacs.”

Trump also seeks to end birthright citizenship for people born in the U.S. whose parents are both in the country illegally.

_________________________________

If all he was going to do was deport criminals, why wasn't it even mentioned in this article in September? 

And this has been posted before. They just ignore the truth and keep repeating their echo chamber lies over and over and over and scratch their heads as to how they lose elections

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

You started with a lie. Trump did not promise to just deport criminals.

Look, he says a lot of perverse things that are false or twisted.

"Former President Donald Trump used increasingly harsh rhetoric to attack immigrants, suggesting on Monday during an interview that immigrants commit horrendous crimes because “it’s in their genes.”

“How about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murderers, many of them murdered far more than one person, and they’re now happily living in the United States. You know now a murder, I believe this, it’s in their genes. And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now,” he told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.  "

Trump on immigrants: ‘We got a lot of bad genes in our country right now’ - POLITICO

 

[gatomontes99]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Look, he says a lot of perverse things that are false or twisted.

"Former President Donald Trump used increasingly harsh rhetoric to attack immigrants, suggesting on Monday during an interview that immigrants commit horrendous crimes because “it’s in their genes.”

“How about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murderers, many of them murdered far more than one person, and they’re now happily living in the United States. You know now a murder, I believe this, it’s in their genes. And we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now,” he told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt.  "

Trump on immigrants: ‘We got a lot of bad genes in our country right now’ - POLITICO

 

So you dislike Trump because he takes the Nature theory over the Nurture theory? 

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said:

So you dislike Trump because he takes the Nature theory over the Nurture theory? 

"Hundreds of immigrants have been swept away to what functionally is a modern Gulag in El Salvador, and the administration has recently tried to send others to South Sudan, which is on the verge of civil war. Enforcing immigration policy does not have to be inhumane, but the Trump administration is gloating in the very barbarity."

Trump’s Deportations Aren’t What They Seem - The Atlantic

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said:

You started with a lie. Trump did not promise to just deport criminals.

I never knowingly told you a falsehood.  So your accusation that I lied is false.  You need to look up the definition of a lie.

To be a lie, it has to be knowingly or deliberately attempting to deceive.  It's amazing how you have the power to read inside people's minds and tell they are lying.

 

Trump does give the impression he believes most are criminals. 

"Apr 18, 2025 · Donald Trump has created a hostile environment for immigrants and labeled the majority as "criminals." 

"Jan 19, 2025 · President-elect Donald Trump has promised to target immigrants with criminal records as he launches a "mass deportation" to remove millions of people from the country."

[gatomontes99]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

I never knowingly told you a falsehood.  So your accusation that I lied is false.  You need to look up the definition of a lie.

To be a lie, it has to be knowingly or deliberately attempting to deceive.  It's amazing how you have the power to read inside people's minds and tell they are lying.

 

Trump does give the impression he believes most are criminals. 

"Apr 18, 2025 · Donald Trump has created a hostile environment for immigrants and labeled the majority as "criminals." 

"Jan 19, 2025 · President-elect Donald Trump has promised to target immigrants with criminal records as he launches a "mass deportation" to remove millions of people from the country."

So your defense is that you are ignorant? Ok.

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

"Hundreds of immigrants have been swept away to what functionally is a modern Gulag in El Salvador, and the administration has recently tried to send others to South Sudan, which is on the verge of civil war. Enforcing immigration policy does not have to be inhumane, but the Trump administration is gloating in the very barbarity."

Trump’s Deportations Aren’t What They Seem - The Atlantic

Yeah. Again, you are posting strongly stated opinions as if they are facts. That was an opinion piece. 

[User]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

The fact is there are millions of undocumented migrants who have been living and working in the U.S. for decades.

Then to get re-elected Trump calls all of them criminals and promises to deport millions all of a sudden.  The whole thing smells of politics.

This is a dishonest circular argument. 

You don't support enforcing immigration laws... so more people are here illegally for years, then you use that amount of people and the time they have been here to say you don't support enforcing immigration laws....

For the 100th time, if you are here illegally, you are a criminal. 

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

I never knowingly told you a falsehood.  So your accusation that I lied is false.  You need to look up the definition of a lie.

To be a lie, it has to be knowingly or deliberately attempting to deceive.  It's amazing how you have the power to read inside people's minds and tell they are lying.

Oh! How about the fact that you lied about saying I brought up January 6th in a previous discussion, then, when I called you out you ignored me. Then when I pointed out that you ignored me... you ignored me again. Then later when I brought up your lie, you played dumb dishonestly acting like you didn't know what I was talking about... then when I showed you, you ran away and ignore me again... then you did this again... and again...

You are a liar. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, User said:

Oh! How about the fact that you lied about saying I brought up January 6th in a previous discussion, then, when I called you out you ignored me.

I don't recall that and I don't have the time to waste spending hours digging through past posts to see who said what, etc.  You are bringing up foolish arguments just for the purpose of making endless accusations.

I don't have the time for this kind of thing.  

You repeatedly said I ignored you.  Guess what?  You are correct.  Most of your posts are accusing me of lying.  I don't have time to reply to your foolish accusations.  I have better things to do with my time.

[User]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't recall that and I don't have the time to waste spending hours digging through past posts to see who said what, etc.  You are bringing up foolish arguments just for the purpose of making endless accusations.

I don't have the time for this kind of thing.  

You repeatedly said I ignored you.  Guess what?  You are correct.  Most of your posts are accusing me of lying.  I don't have time to reply to your foolish accusations.  I have better things to do with my time.

LOL, more lies. This is like the 4th or 5th time now we have had this discussion and I showed you exactly what we were talking about the 3-4 times before this one. 

Now you say you don't know what I am talking about. 

Now, after all this, you say you don't want to waste time digging through past posts... 

This is all just more evidence for how dishonest you really are. 

 

[Nationalist]

Mr. @blackbird...

I...as I'm sure many...understand your empathy. Perhaps in time, some of the illegal aliens will be dealt with decisively one way or the other. But right now America has a big problem. Ya see...the last POTUS allowed millions of these illegals flood into the USA all at once. That...my overtly empathic friend...is simply not a good idea, as evidenced by the outcome.

So...perhaps you could put "the good book" down a sec, and realize that cleaning up Brandon's mess was going to take a bit o'hard work?

There's a good lad...

[blackbird]

44 minutes ago, User said:

Now, after all this, you say you don't want to waste time digging through past posts... 

This is all just more evidence for how dishonest you really are.

If you were really being honest, you would quote the post that you think is a lie.  Copy and paste the whole post so we can see the date and time and the context as well.   Go ahead and quote it and let's discuss it. 

Edited 3 hours ago by blackbird

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

Seems you don't know anything about the American immigration system.  Ordinary people can't just apply to enter America.  It is a very strict system and only a privileged few can make it in under the system.  

Again you don't know how fortunate you are to be born in this country.  Nothing you did earned it.  What right do you have  to be here in this piece of land on the earth than some immigrant in some poor country that is trying to help his family survive?

You just won the lottery.  That's the only difference.

blackbird, if you are an American citizen, I want you to surrender your citizenship and move to Mexico. This is stolen land, you piece of shit, and the universe wants you off of it. Don't hesitate, just do it. Get the f*ck out of this country - now. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If you were really being honest, you would quote the post that you think is a lie.  Copy and paste the whole post so we can see the date and time and the context as well.   Go ahead and quote it and let's discuss it. 

ROFL!!!!!

I have done this twice already! Once just after you did it and played this stupid game. You ran away then. I did it again the other day when you played this stupid dishonest game once more. 

The fact that you sit here saying if I were really being honest is just another example for the dumb dishonest games you are playing. 

[blackbird]

39 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ya see...the last POTUS allowed millions of these illegals flood into the USA all at once.

It looks like you got that claim from some Republicans.  Those claims have been fact checked and found to be false.

"

Some Republicans, however, have misleadingly suggested the number released into the country since Biden took office is much higher.

Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley, the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, claimed last month that 8 million “have come in illegally” and “we have to send them back.” Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis made the same claim in a GOP debate in January.

Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas said on “Fox News Sunday” on Feb. 11 that Biden had “allowed an invasion to occur at our border, almost 10 million migrants have crossed into our country.”

Breaking Down the Immigration Figures - FactCheck.org

The fact is we can only go by what we read on various websites.  Maybe you have some infallible source for your information, but I don't.

Just now, User said:

ROFL!!!!!

I have done this twice already! Once just after you did it and played this stupid game. You ran away then. I did it again the other day when you played this stupid dishonest game once more. 

The fact that you sit here saying if I were really being honest is just another example for the dumb dishonest games you are playing. 

Did you ever stop to think how stupid you look just repeating the same old accusations over and over?

Quote the whole post that I lied in and let's have a discussion about it.  Otherwise go away and don't waste my time.