Surging Canadian pride in face of Trump's insults sags after Canada's federal election, poll finds

[CdnFox]

Canadian pride in face of Trump sags after federal election: poll | National Post

Well lookie at that, the lefties got all emotional for 5 minutes and now they're back to hating canada. 

Typical. 

[Zeitgeist]

The only good thing to come out of the Trump taunts on our sovereignty and the surge in Canadian pride is that we may finally get real across the country about what we need to do to make this land and its citizens thrive: eliminating interprovincial trade barriers, expanding trade beyond the U.S., increasing our domestic market for Canadian-made goods, investing heavily in long overdue infrastructure projects like high speed rail, pipelines, ports, deregulation of barriers to business, and domestic military and commercial production of our own vehicles, ships, etc.

If our federal and provincial governments finally have the strength and courage to override the ridiculous radical special interests holding us back, then we can call this period the proving ground for the Canadian people and the Canadian nation state.

These are the only options for Canada now.  Everything else is fluff and pandering to victimhood.

Basically the federal government needs to set up an encampment at Stelco and the other major smelters and steelworks and build, build, build.  Don’t put workers on welfare.  Give them real work of national significance. These policies and projects should’ve been implemented decades ago.

As for Carney’s attempt to strike a new “economic and security partnership.”   It better not be a capitulation to one-sided tariffs against Canada.  It should be an economic union that expands economic and mobility opportunities for Canadians and Americans in equal measure. Live and work anywhere in North America with minimum residency length requirements to draw government benefits.

That’s the opportunity.  The Trump 51st state rhetoric and surge in Canadian pride over its incumbent flabby economy/Liberal government are side shows that distract and threaten to derail this opportunity for both countries.

Edited Friday at 02:47 AM by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The only good thing to come out of the Trump taunts on our sovereignty and the surge in Canadian pride is that we may finally get real across the country about what we need to do to make this land and its citizens thrive: eliminating interprovincial trade barriers, expanding trade beyond the U.S., increasing our domestic market for Canadian-made goods, investing heavily in long overdue infrastructure projects like high speed rail, pipelines, ports, deregulation of barriers to business, and domestic military and commercial production of our own vehicles, ships, etc.

If our federal and provincial governments finally have the strength and courage to override the ridiculous radical special interests holding us back, then we can call this period the proving ground for the Canadian people and the Canadian nation state.

These are the only options for Canada now.  Everything else is fluff and pandering to victimhood.

Basically the federal government needs to set up an encampment at Stelco and the other major smelters and steelworks and build, build, build.  Don’t put workers on welfare.  Give them real work of national significance. These policies and projects should’ve been implemented decades ago.

As for Carney’s attempt to strike a new “economic and security partnership.”   It better not be a capitulation to one-sided tariffs against Canada.  It should be an economic union that expands economic and mobility opportunities for Canadians and Americans in equal measure. Live and work anywhere in North America with minimum residency length requirements to draw government benefits.

That’s the opportunity.  The Trump 51st state rhetoric and surge in Canadian pride over its incumbent flabby economy/Liberal government are side shows that distract and threaten to derail this opportunity for both countries.

I mean all of that's great stuff but the fact is it seems that the Patriotic Pride is nose diving now that trump doesn't appear to be a threat anymore

[blackbird]

The biggest problem is the Liberals themselves.  PM Carney made no announcement yet to abolish the no-more-pipeline law, C69.  He made no announcement to abolish the tanker ban on the B.C. north coast.  No promise to do what he can to build pipelines east and west in Canada to get our huge oil reserves onto the international markets.  Carney may be planning to just continue Trudeau's anti energy policies  with caps on the energy industry, regulations to force the energy industry to spend billions of dollars to de-carbonize, and keep carbon taxes on industry.  We will see how Carney's government does to get our energy industry going in the next couple years.  Also, does Carney have a clear plan to eliminate all the hurdles to developing our natural resources and get projects going?  We will see.  Many FNs chiefs are already squawking against speeding things up.  

I also have a feeling that Liberals are big fans of so-called "social licence" to approve any project.  This is also something the Premier of Quebec talked about.  What a dumb belief. Social licence means do nothing if enough ignorant people oppose a project or projects.  How can a country prosper when millions of people follow Greta Thunberg and think they know what is best for Canada?  Nothing will get done if that is how politicians operate.  This is the kind of thinking I believe is taught in public schools now, that is, Mother Earth worship.

Edited Friday at 05:52 AM by blackbird

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The only good thing to come out of the Trump taunts on our sovereignty and the surge in Canadian pride is that we may finally get real across the country about what we need to do to make this land and its citizens thrive: eliminating interprovincial trade barriers, expanding trade beyond the U.S., increasing our domestic market for Canadian-made goods, investing heavily in long overdue infrastructure projects like high speed rail, pipelines, ports, deregulation of barriers to business, and domestic military and commercial production of our own vehicles, ships, etc.

If our federal and provincial governments finally have the strength and courage to override the ridiculous radical special interests holding us back, then we can call this period the proving ground for the Canadian people and the Canadian nation state.

These are the only options for Canada now.  Everything else is fluff and pandering to victimhood.

Basically the federal government needs to set up an encampment at Stelco and the other major smelters and steelworks and build, build, build.  Don’t put workers on welfare.  Give them real work of national significance. These policies and projects should’ve been implemented decades ago.

As for Carney’s attempt to strike a new “economic and security partnership.”   It better not be a capitulation to one-sided tariffs against Canada.  It should be an economic union that expands economic and mobility opportunities for Canadians and Americans in equal measure. Live and work anywhere in North America with minimum residency length requirements to draw government benefits.

That’s the opportunity.  The Trump 51st state rhetoric and surge in Canadian pride over its incumbent flabby economy/Liberal government are side shows that distract and threaten to derail this opportunity for both countries.

It's a good speech, but even if Canadians suddenly agreed to do this, we're still coming in a day late and a dollar short. 

We're under Trump's heel right now and nothing that we're doing or saying is changing that.

By the time we can finally get around to eliminating interprovincial trade barriers and developing new trading partners (and Trump will never let Canada negotiate an auto pact with Japan, Korea or Germany) we'll be bankrupt, and that's IF our government was even trying to do what's bet for Canadians... When was the last time an LPOC gov't did that? 

Our only hope right now would be if the US media and Dems were going against Trump on this and they're not. They're more worried about the catchy woke BS of the day. America's deteriorating relationship with Canada isn't even on their radar.

[Nationalist]

I'm in Alberta right now. The separatist movement is alive and well here. The carney will chastise Alberta for the referendum, which will only drive the numbers higher for separation.

Personally...I hope they do separate. The feds need a good wake-up call and that would probably do it.

It's way past time for real solutions and not this greenie chickenshit.

[blackbird]

It looks like Carney doesn't want to remove the C69 law, the no more pipeline law.   Also, if a province like the BC NDP opposes a pipeline and they do oppose it, he won't allow it to be built even if it is in the national interest.  He will give a real boost to Alberta separatism.  He doesn't know what the job of a PM and federal government is.

Edited Friday at 08:29 PM by blackbird

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's a good speech, but even if Canadians suddenly agreed to do this, we're still coming in a day late and a dollar short. 

We're under Trump's heel right now and nothing that we're doing or saying is changing that.

By the time we can finally get around to eliminating interprovincial trade barriers and developing new trading partners (and Trump will never let Canada negotiate an auto pact with Japan, Korea or Germany) we'll be bankrupt, and that's IF our government was even trying to do what's bet for Canadians... When was the last time an LPOC gov't did that? 

Our only hope right now would be if the US media and Dems were going against Trump on this and they're not. They're more worried about the catchy woke BS of the day. America's deteriorating relationship with Canada isn't even on their radar.

The problem is that Canadians are not on the same page, we are so divided there are too many voices talking at the same time all wanting different things....is Carney the guy that can unite all of Canada, he is trying, but he has a mountain to climb, and he is asking to many things, instead of being Prime ministerial and tell provinces here is the energy corridor plan, get on board or risk not getting anything for your provinces, BC, Quebec are the targets here... instead it has turn out to be everyone jumping up and down, but turning their noses up when they don't like the guy next to them...

It's 2025 and we are just tackling inter provincial trade now....worth over 200 bil....so money was not a driving force here, protectionism was once again showing how divided we are when trading amongst ourselves..it would be funny if it was not other Canadians we are doing it to.....no wonder Trump picked us as an easy target....

As for being on the US radar, why would it when it is not even on Canadians radar....Many people here dis trump for causing all these problems...but he did not create them we did, thats right Canadians did... all he did was make us look at them forcing us to find a solution...and now that we know what the problems are we have a lip on with trump for forcing us to look at them....I hope trump forces Canada's head deeper into the toilet of sh!t we dumped in there until we as a nation wake the F up, and start acting like a nation that is united with one purpose.... 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

The problem is that Canadians are not on the same page, we are so divided there are too many voices talking at the same time all wanting different things....is Carney the guy that can unite all of Canada, he is trying, but he has a mountain to climb, and he is asking to many things, instead of being Prime ministerial and tell provinces here is the energy corridor plan, get on board or risk not getting anything for your provinces, BC, Quebec are the targets here... instead it has turn out to be everyone jumping up and down, but turning their noses up when they don't like the guy next to them...

It's 2025 and we are just tackling inter provincial trade now....worth over 200 bil....so money was not a driving force here, protectionism was once again showing how divided we are when trading amongst ourselves..it would be funny if it was not other Canadians we are doing it to.....no wonder Trump picked us as an easy target....

As for being on the US radar, why would it when it is not even on Canadians radar....Many people here dis trump for causing all these problems...but he did not create them we did, thats right Canadians did... all he did was make us look at them forcing us to find a solution...and now that we know what the problems are we have a lip on with trump for forcing us to look at them....I hope trump forces Canada's head deeper into the toilet of sh!t we dumped in there until we as a nation wake the F up, and start acting like a nation that is united with one purpose.... 

The thing is carney doesn't really want to reunite Canada. He wants to put a band-Aid on the problems long enough to get what he wants and if it falls apart later then so be it.

He's not going to actually build the Pipelines. He's going to say that he absolutely will today and stomp around and do some early preparations but he's already excusing his future failure. He's saying how he won't be able to continue if the provinces don't want to and talking about public sentiment for the projects like they're a major barrier and such

So he'll go on about how he's building them and then say oh but we have to deal with Quebec and that'll take negotiations and then things will drag out and he'll keep telling quebec we would never turn on you your buddies and he will keep telling Alberta we'll build them as soon as we deal with these darn quebecers we're trying real hard honest, and nothing will get done.

And eventually things will heat up and people will realize he's full of crap and there will be anger and resentment and he will step down and the liberals will try and say that the new person is an entirely new government and no problems in the past should be considered when thinking about the new guy. They hope to stay in the power forever like this

[Zeitgeist]

13 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's a good speech, but even if Canadians suddenly agreed to do this, we're still coming in a day late and a dollar short. 

We're under Trump's heel right now and nothing that we're doing or saying is changing that.

By the time we can finally get around to eliminating interprovincial trade barriers and developing new trading partners (and Trump will never let Canada negotiate an auto pact with Japan, Korea or Germany) we'll be bankrupt, and that's IF our government was even trying to do what's bet for Canadians... When was the last time an LPOC gov't did that? 

Our only hope right now would be if the US media and Dems were going against Trump on this and they're not. They're more worried about the catchy woke BS of the day. America's deteriorating relationship with Canada isn't even on their radar.

It’s highly arguable though that the U.S. is in the death throes of a major realignment away from Pax Americana, and I don’t think this is a good thing.  Until recently the US was the lifeboat of the West for security, democracy, and economic power.  It’s struggling to maintain that for its own citizens, so it’s trying to shake down the rest of the world using the excuse that they have been too generous in the past.  Yet America was just the fresh new empire that emerged out of the British Empire, which itself was the leading alternative power after the Holy Roman Empire which grew out of the Macedonian Empire which came out of the Greek city states, etc.  in many ways Canada is the fresh new growth out of a fading empire, but we’re in transition, growing our country.

Trump doesn’t have us under heel in the most important ways.  We can still produce and sell to ourselves and other countries.  The U.S. exports represent about 22% of our economy, significant but not insurmountable.  Also many American states benefit greatly from trade with Canada and Canadian tourism and patronage.  Trump is on a short leash that will choke him out of political relevance in 20 months if he hasn’t improved the US economy.

Doge didn’t accomplish much and now Musk has abandoned ship.  Trump is calling Xi.  Major corporations are hugely upset by the tariff uncertainty and so are markets.  Carney just has to keep the focus on modernizing the Canadian economy and brokering the best deals.  Either Canada comes through the other side united or it succumbs to total American takeover.

I don’t think that becoming part of the US is necessarily bad or the worst of possible outcomes.  What matters is whether Canadians are making the most of what they have in the area we call Canada. 

Edited Saturday at 03:59 AM by Zeitgeist