Ice arrests at immigration courts across the US stirring panic: ‘It’s terrifying’

[Deluge]

No, it's glorious, and we need a lot more of it. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/22/ice-arrests-immigration-courts

[BeaverFever]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No, it's glorious, and we need a lot more of it. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/22/ice-arrests-immigration-courts

Celebrating cruelty and terror is pure fascism. 

[Deluge]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Celebrating cruelty and terror is pure fascism. 

Demonizing whites and browning America is what's fascism. You baby killers belong in prison. 

[robosmith]

It is anti-JUSTICE when immigrants were given a court date to have their asylum claim HEARD, and they are arrested for lawful activity because ICE is LAZY and they're low hanging fruit.

Trump is just DESPERATE to deport millions because HE LIED when he promised that.

[gatomontes99]

18 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It is anti-JUSTICE when immigrants were given a court date to have their asylum claim HEARD, and they are arrested for lawful activity because ICE is LAZY and they're low hanging fruit.

Trump is just DESPERATE to deport millions because HE LIED when he promised that.

Actually, it is the law. What was not the law was giving them court dates when they were eligible for expedited removal.

https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-expanded-expedited-removal/

 

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No, it's glorious, and we need a lot more of it. 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/22/ice-arrests-immigration-courts

Honestly i don't quite understand what's going on or which laws are involved.  I get that this paper is presenting one side of the story and not the whole picture, but it kind of sounds like these people are in the country legally and are complying with the requirements to report to a judge or authority and are being kicked out anyway?  They mention being in the country for 2 years, is there some law that says if you make it 2 years you're not an illegal anymore or the like?

It would be nice if they'd provided a little more context

[Deluge]

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It is anti-JUSTICE when immigrants were given a court date to have their asylum claim HEARD, and they are arrested for lawful activity because ICE is LAZY and they're low hanging fruit.

Trump is just DESPERATE to deport millions because HE LIED when he promised that.

No it isn't. They crossed the border illegally, therefore they are to be deported immediately.

They can file from Mexico, where they won't waste tax dollars and make us wonder what in the f*ck they are doing in this country while they wait. 

[Deluge]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Honestly i don't quite understand what's going on or which laws are involved.  I get that this paper is presenting one side of the story and not the whole picture, but it kind of sounds like these people are in the country legally and are complying with the requirements to report to a judge or authority and are being kicked out anyway?  They mention being in the country for 2 years, is there some law that says if you make it 2 years you're not an illegal anymore or the like?

It would be nice if they'd provided a little more context

Well, it's looking more and more like we don't have anything in place for BEFORE they meet the judge, and WHILE they wait for a decision. The democrats want to put them up in hotels and get welfare going regardless of what happens; of course, that is complete bullshit, but I'm not sure we have any other way to deal with them outside of deporting them. What we really need is to have them filing and waiting outside of the country. I'd like to see it all done through zoom calls - that way we don't have to worry about what they are doing in the country when they aren't in front of a judge. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Deluge

[User]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Celebrating cruelty and terror is pure fascism. 

Enforcing the law is not cruel nor terror. Folks like you wanting a lawless open border is what caused this mess. Trump is cleaning it up. 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Demonizing whites and browning America is what's fascism. You baby killers belong in prison. 

Yes the Nazis were well known for demonizing whites and browning their country  textbook fascism 🙄

Nobody is demonizing whites you clueless twat  

Oh no brown people!” You’re such a racist 1diot  

 

 

[Deluge]

38 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

1. Yes the Nazis were well known for demonizing whites and browning their country  textbook fascism 🙄

2. Nobody is demonizing whites you clueless twat  

3. Oh no brown people!” You’re such a racist 1diot  

1. No, Nazis murdered Jews. Are you saying you wish you lived in 1930's Germany? 

2. What makes you think that, pervert? Is it because you believe only white people can be racist? lol

The world needs more brown people - A LOT more brown people. 

-- BeaverAbuser

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Deluge

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Well, it's looking more and more like we don't have anything in place for BEFORE they meet the judge, and WHILE they wait for a decision. The democrats want to put them up in hotels and get welfare going regardless of what happens; of course, that is complete bullshit, but I'm not sure we have any other way to deal with them outside of deporting them. What we really need is to have them filing and waiting outside of the country. I'd like to see it all done through zoom calls - that way we don't have to worry about what they are doing in the country when they aren't in front of a judge. 

I mean that does make sense to me.  If you're not part of that country then you have to "ask to come in".  I think in canada (and i could be wrong or it may have changed) once you apply there comes a point where they're willing to grant you short term residency to come to canada while the rest of the process plays out, but that's a little different. Thats after theyv'e verified it's at least a prima facia valid claim and that you're serious and PROBABLY meet the qualifications etc. 

So basically if i understand you they break into the country illegally, then once there they file for permanent residency using one mechanism or another (immigration request, refugee claim etc)  and then they stay in the US while their claim is processed which can take up to 2 years. 

And trump's take on that is it's akin to someone breaking into an apartment and then filling out a rental form while they squat there. 

So ice is basically catching them and tossing them back before their claim is processed under the premise that while their claim may EVENTUALLY play out, at the moment they're not in the country legally and they should continue from outside the country, 

I can really see pros and cons with both of the sides here. But at the end of the day i do believe that you can't behave within the law if you're breaking the law. 

Seems to me like the laws need to be tightend up to be clear not just for those coming in but for americans watching this play out, and that it should be clear that you can ONLY claim from outside the us, unless you're making an absolute emergency request for refugee status and there should be a board who can assess if you really are urgently about to die if you aren't given it this minute or the like. 

[Hodad]

While, yes, it's a perverse, Kafka-esque cruelty, it's also unbelievably stupid and shortsighted: the MAGA trifecta. If you punish people for attempting to comply with the expectations of the legal system, they very quickly learn not to trust or respect the legal system. 

It doesn't discourage people from existing in the US, it just incentivizes them to exist outside of legal governance. 

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

While, yes, it's a perverse, Kafka-esque cruelty, it's also unbelievably stupid and shortsighted: the MAGA trifecta. If you punish people for attempting to comply with the expectations of the legal system, they very quickly learn not to trust or respect the legal system. 

It doesn't discourage people from existing in the US, it just incentivizes them to exist outside of legal governance. 

It absolutely will discourage people from entering the united states. If they know that they'll be thrown out and then that might impact their ability to apply to live in the united states they won't cross anywhere near the same numbers.

If there is no consequence for violating the law then people are going to violate the law.

Seeing as you support violating the law without punishment, I assume you support trump If he breaks the law and sends them back when the court says he shouldn't? I mean if we're just ignoring laws anymore it applies to everyone right? Punishing trump for breaking a law like that will just discourage him from trying to keep the law later on. This is your argument right?

Edited 19 hours ago by CdnFox

[User]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

While, yes, it's a perverse, Kafka-esque cruelty, it's also unbelievably stupid and shortsighted: the MAGA trifecta. If you punish people for attempting to comply with the expectations of the legal system, they very quickly learn not to trust or respect the legal system. 

It doesn't discourage people from existing in the US, it just incentivizes them to exist outside of legal governance. 

This is mind-numbingly ignorant and dishonest. 

These are the people Biden let flood across the border. They came here illegally and Biden ignored that and chose to let them stay. 

Trump is reversing this madness and enforcing the law now. 

These people already had no respect for our legal system and laws when they entered the country illegally. 

 

 

[Deluge]

26 minutes ago, Hodad said:

While, yes, it's a perverse, Kafka-esque cruelty, it's also unbelievably stupid and shortsighted: the MAGA trifecta. If you punish people for attempting to comply with the expectations of the legal system, they very quickly learn not to trust or respect the legal system. 

It doesn't discourage people from existing in the US, it just incentivizes them to exist outside of legal governance. 

 whoredad hates borders and wishes they would just go away. 

[Shady]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Celebrating cruelty and terror is pure fascism. 

How is arresting people that have broken the law fascism?

7 hours ago, User said:

Enforcing the law is not cruel nor terror. Folks like you wanting a lawless open border is what caused this mess. Trump is cleaning it up. 

Exactly.  Crossing the border illegally is a felony.  Arresting felons is now apparently fascism because the previous government wouldn’t arrest them.