Time for Western separation

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

A net is a net . . . doesn't matter what 'skin color' set it, it'll still catch fish.

Apparently it matters if you use hooks to catch fish. Non-native salmon trollers can't use barbed hooks and native trollers can. They get a month's head start too.

It is what it is.

If DFO was in charge of logging native loggers would be allowed use chainsaws and everyone else would have to use crosscut saws.

[Barquentine]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

Alberta can either become a territory of the USA or try going it alone.

What makes you think the US would want Alberta? They got all the wheat they need and vast amounts of cheaper, easier to access oil.

Go it alone? You really that naive?

 

[cougar]

On 5/2/2025 at 11:46 PM, blackbird said:

"Canada's resource industries are key to economic growth12. They contribute 14.9% of Canada's GDP, with the energy industry alone accounting for half of resource output1. Nearly one in ten jobs are related to resources, employing 1.3 million Canadians1. Canada's comparative advantage in trade depends heavily on its resource sector, which accounted for 58% of all merchandise exports in 20231. Natural resources support 3 million jobs across Canada, or 1 in 7 jobs, or 15% of all jobs nationwide2. They generated $464 billion in real gross domestic product in 2023, accounting for approximately 21% of the national economy2. The natural resource industries offer annual wages that pay $25,000 more than the national average2."

Natural Resource Classification: The Backbone of Canada's Economic Growth - Business & Industry Canada

DeepDive: How mining became Canada’s surprising new engine of economic growth - The Hub

Untapped Potential: Driving Canadian Prosperity Through Natural Resources - Business Council of Alberta

Don't know how this relates to what I am trying to tell you.

You can have any number of new jobs in any manufacturing industry.  They can pay no less than the resource based jobs.

[cougar]

On 5/4/2025 at 1:35 PM, ExFlyer said:

Duhhh, "Indigenous peoples in North America have a long history of using nets for fishing, predating European contact by thousands of years. Indigenous communities used various types of nets, including gill nets, hoop nets, and reef nets,"

Your stupidness is leaking out again...close that hole LOL

He may not be that stupid.  He has a valid point, just did not express it correctly.

Those nets the FN's used in the past have nothing to do with the modern nets they are using now. Why not let them weave their traditional nets, instead of getting them strong and very long nets most likely made in some Chinese factory with taxpayer money?   Why not let them fish traditionally with their canoes instead of those modern boats fitted with outboard powerful motors paid by taxpayer money?   Why not let them go to the river on their horses, instead of the Ford F150 pickups paid with taxpayer money?   When rights were given in the past to FN's the presumption was of endless fish resources.  Turns out trees and fish are not endless.  Due to long lasting damage to ecosystems done, fish stocks cannot rebound.  Time to rethink and re-negotiate all FN priority laws and agreements.

[cougar]

On 5/3/2025 at 2:13 PM, taxme said:

Trump knows what he is talking about, and you do not. Trump wants to abolish income tax, taxes on tips, taxes on overtime and no taxes on social security. That alone should want all conservatives desire to join America. I know that i am ready to join America. 

Why would i want to live in a failed and bankrupt country when the lieberals are in power. Taxes will go up. Government will get bigger. Woke bs like trans and gender, pronouns nonsense. Massive 3rd world invasion that will surely bankrupt Canada in the next few years.

Canada is finished and we might as well face it. Canada is not worth fighting for anymore now that the corrupt and lying and thieving lieberals are back in power. Go, Alberta, go. 😁

So you are an Albertan currently in exile in BC?

Would be interesting to read your plea letter to Trump;  

"Please Mr.Trump,  please, pretty please make me the billionaire I deserve to be.   I am voluntarily giving my province away; just please liberate me from all these Canadian liberals!"

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, cougar said:

You can have any number of new jobs in any manufacturing industry.  They can pay no less than the resource based jobs.

Citizens like you and me don't tell companies and investors what industry to invest in.  That is done by the companies themselves where they think they can make money.

If they see that they make money in natural resources such as the energy industry or mining or something else, that is where they will invest.

The manufacturing business is very difficult in Canada because we import less expensive manufactured goods from other countries where the goods are less expensive to produce.  

Since we have lots of natural resources in Canada and that is where companies can make good money, that if often where companies will invest.

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, Barquentine said:

What makes you think the US would want Alberta? They got all the wheat they need and vast amounts of cheaper, easier to access oil.

Go it alone? You really that naive?

 

Why is it naive? What has Ottawa ever done for Alberta...or Saskatchewan? And both of them have natural gas. Plus if they left, BC would be screwed. Canada would become smaller and much less viable.

[ExFlyer]

14 hours ago, taxme said:

It was your commie french lieberals in Ottawa that have pretty much bankrupted the energy sector of Alberta many many years ago under old man comrade Turdeau. .

You are such a single minded incorrect person.

Alberta oil industry has collapsed several times and the feds bailed them out.

Alberta was bailed out by Liberal and Conservative governments

Alberta cannot secede because if they choose to do the indigenous get the land...all of it because it will belong to them.

Edited 9 hours ago by ExFlyer

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Yes, even when you win you somehow manage to lose  

 

 

Poor puppy....living rent free in your brain is wearing you down. You seem to becoming unglued in your rage

Oh and for sure I won and the  one who lost is clearly you ....LOSER!!! LOL

 

Edited 10 hours ago by ExFlyer

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You are such a single minded incorrect person.

Alberta oil industry has collapsed several times and the feds bailed them out.

Alberta was bailed out by Liberal and Conservative governemts

Alberta cannot secede because if they choose to do o, the i=Indigenous get the land...all of it because it will belong to them.

No it doesn't. Where do you get these dumb ideas?

[ExFlyer]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No it doesn't. Where do you get these dumb ideas?

Hmmm OK?   Smith will be well into collecting CPP and OAS and this will never get done LOL

"Indigenous peoples in Alberta have land rights, primarily through Aboriginal title and treaty rights, which are recognized and affirmed by the Canadian Constitution. These rights can include ownership, the right to occupy and use land and resources, and self-determination.

 

Aboriginal Title:

• Aboriginal title is a constitutionally protected right to the land itself, representing the entire beneficial interest in the land.
• It includes surface rights to resources like timber and subsurface rights to minerals and oil and gas.
• Aboriginal title can be established by proving exclusive occupation of the land at the time the Crown asserted sovereignty.

 

Treaty Rights:

• Treaties 6, 7, and 8 cover most of Alberta and establish rights for First Nations, including entitlement to reserve lands, hunting, fishing, and trapping rights, as well as health and education support.

• The province has a legal and constitutional duty to consult with First Nations when Crown decisions may adversely impact their treaty rights and traditional uses of land.

Other Rights:

• Indigenous peoples also have rights related to subsistence resources and activities, self-determination, and the right to practice their own cultures and customs, including language and religion.

Additional Considerations:

• The province also has policies in place for Métis harvesting, recognizing their ability to hunt for food on certain lands.

• Indigenous consultations are a process to understand and consider potential adverse impacts of Crown decisions on First Nations and Métis communities.
• Indigenous peoples and their governments have a role in public decision-making as part of Canada's constitutional framework.

Edited 10 hours ago by ExFlyer

[Nationalist]

37 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Hmmm OK?   Smith will be well into collecting CPP and OAS and this will never get done LOL

"Indigenous peoples in Alberta have land rights, primarily through Aboriginal title and treaty rights, which are recognized and affirmed by the Canadian Constitution. These rights can include ownership, the right to occupy and use land and resources, and self-determination.

 

Aboriginal Title:

• Aboriginal title is a constitutionally protected right to the land itself, representing the entire beneficial interest in the land.
• It includes surface rights to resources like timber and subsurface rights to minerals and oil and gas.
• Aboriginal title can be established by proving exclusive occupation of the land at the time the Crown asserted sovereignty.

 

Treaty Rights:

• Treaties 6, 7, and 8 cover most of Alberta and establish rights for First Nations, including entitlement to reserve lands, hunting, fishing, and trapping rights, as well as health and education support.

• The province has a legal and constitutional duty to consult with First Nations when Crown decisions may adversely impact their treaty rights and traditional uses of land.

Other Rights:

• Indigenous peoples also have rights related to subsistence resources and activities, self-determination, and the right to practice their own cultures and customs, including language and religion.

Additional Considerations:

• The province also has policies in place for Métis harvesting, recognizing their ability to hunt for food on certain lands.

• Indigenous consultations are a process to understand and consider potential adverse impacts of Crown decisions on First Nations and Métis communities.
• Indigenous peoples and their governments have a role in public decision-making as part of Canada's constitutional framework.

And if Alberta separates, all those treaties are null and void.

[ExFlyer]

Just now, Nationalist said:

And if Alberta separates, all those treaties are null and void.

Ha!!! You really think so??? If you do, you are dreaming.

The indigenous will keep the issue in court for decades and decades and even the American Indians would get involved....and Alberta would lose in the end.

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Ha!!! You really think so??? If you do, you are dreaming.

The indigenous will keep the issue in court for decades and decades and even the American Indians would get involved....and Alberta would lose in the end.

So now you're reduced to making assumptions.

Good on ya...

[ExFlyer]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So now you're reduced to making assumptions.

Good on ya...

Not at all.  I think you way underestimate the power of the indigenous.

Indigenous have cancelled and stopped and redirected pipelines.

Indigenous have gone to courts and gotten millions of acres of land in almost all Provinces.

Indigenous have challenged fishing and hunting laws in most provinces and won.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/notable-indigenous-rights-court-cases

https://indigenouspeoplesatlasofcanada.ca/article/litigation-and-courts/

https://caid.ca/court_dec.html

Edited 9 hours ago by ExFlyer

[West]

22 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And if Alberta separates, all those treaties are null and void.

It's time for the First Nations to get a better deal. Like the Liberals abuse western Canada so have they abused the FN people..sad

[Nationalist]

3 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Not at all.  I think you way underestimate the power of the indigenous.

Indigenous have cancelled and stopped and redirected pipelines.

Indigenous have gone to courts and gotten millions of acres of land in almost all Provinces.

Indigenous have challenged fishing and hunting laws in most provinces and won.

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/notable-indigenous-rights-court-cases

https://indigenouspeoplesatlasofcanada.ca/article/litigation-and-courts/

https://caid.ca/court_dec.html

I think you overestimate the "power"...or lack there of...of the natives.

See...they were conquered and signed a treaty with CANADA. If Alberta separates, those treaties are null and void. That leaves Alberta free to do as they please. They could even take the reserves and screw the natives completely. Which might not be such a bad idea as it would force the natives to join society or leave.

[ExFlyer]

9 hours ago, cougar said:

He may not be that stupid.  He has a valid point, just did not express it correctly.

Those nets the FN's used in the past have nothing to do with the modern nets they are using now. Why not let them weave their traditional nets, instead of getting them strong and very long nets most likely made in some Chinese factory with taxpayer money?   Why not let them fish traditionally with their canoes instead of those modern boats fitted with outboard powerful motors paid by taxpayer money?   Why not let them go to the river on their horses, instead of the Ford F150 pickups paid with taxpayer money?   When rights were given in the past to FN's the presumption was of endless fish resources.  Turns out trees and fish are not endless.  Due to long lasting damage to ecosystems done, fish stocks cannot rebound.  Time to rethink and re-negotiate all FN priority laws and agreements.

The nets used in the past are very much like the ones used now with the exception of the materials used to make them.

As for making them observe todays rules, regulations and methodology, well, they went to court and it was decided they have traditional rights and can do what they want. That has lead to all sorts of confrontations from the lobster fisheries on the east coast to the salmon fishing in BC rivers and everything inbetween.

http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/encyclopedia/Indiannetsandnetting.htm

https://www.google.com/imgres?q=indigenous fishing nets over the centuries&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.knowbc.com%2Fvar%2Fknowbc%2Fstorage%2Fimages%2Fbooks%2Findian-fishing%2Fnets-and-netting%2Fp83-94-gallery%2F91%2F531244-1-eng-GB%2F91_huge.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.knowbc.com%2Flimited%2FBooks%2FIndian-Fishing%2FNets-and-Netting&docid=wOi5HNbdPM2S5M&tbnid=78Mx-3HDCH6mhM&vet=12ahUKEwj5pJ-2_Y6NAxU-GTQIHd4MIZoQM3oFCIgBEAA..i&w=504&h=500&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwj5pJ-2_Y6NAxU-GTQIHd4MIZoQM3oFCIgBEAA

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, West said:

It's time for the First Nations to get a better deal. Like the Liberals abuse western Canada so have they abused the FN people..sad

Of course they have. But there's plenty of blame to go around. Like with the Iroquois for instance.

The original treaty was made such that the natives would have little or nothing to do with the European based society being formed in Canada. This was by their choice. In essence...they screwed themselves. They didn't realize that "the White Man's world" was gonna change at an accelerated rate and leave them in the dust. Yet they knew the Americans would never consider such a treaty.

Canada gave them what they wanted...and the natives got left behind. Simple as that.

[ExFlyer]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I think you overestimate the "power"...or lack there of...of the natives.

See...they were conquered and signed a treaty with CANADA. If Alberta separates, those treaties are null and void. That leaves Alberta free to do as they please. They could even take the reserves and screw the natives completely. Which might not be such a bad idea as it would force the natives to join society or leave.

We can agree to disagree but when you look at history, the indigenous win seemingly all the time.

https://www.yukon-news.com/national-news/alberta-first-nations-say-separation-a-direct-violation-of-treaty-7984482

https://globalnews.ca/news/11161788/first-nations-alberta-saskatchewan-vow-oppose-alberta-separation/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-indigenous-groups-call-on-carney-to-rein-in-alberta-premier-over/

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

The nets used in the past are very much like the ones used now with the exception of the materials used to make them.

As for making them observe todays rules, regulations and methodology, well, they went to court and it was decided they have traditional rights and can do what they want. That has lead to all sorts of confrontations from the lobster fisheries on the east coast to the salmon fishing in BC rivers and everything inbetween.

http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/encyclopedia/Indiannetsandnetting.htm

https://www.google.com/imgres?q=indigenous fishing nets over the centuries&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.knowbc.com%2Fvar%2Fknowbc%2Fstorage%2Fimages%2Fbooks%2Findian-fishing%2Fnets-and-netting%2Fp83-94-gallery%2F91%2F531244-1-eng-GB%2F91_huge.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.knowbc.com%2Flimited%2FBooks%2FIndian-Fishing%2FNets-and-Netting&docid=wOi5HNbdPM2S5M&tbnid=78Mx-3HDCH6mhM&vet=12ahUKEwj5pJ-2_Y6NAxU-GTQIHd4MIZoQM3oFCIgBEAA..i&w=504&h=500&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwj5pJ-2_Y6NAxU-GTQIHd4MIZoQM3oFCIgBEAA

These "Aboriginal Rights" are insane on so many levels. They are what's been responsible for keeping the natives in the dark ages. The world they try to live in, doesn't exist anymore.

The best thing that could happen to them, is to have all those stupid treaties burnt.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

No it doesn't. Where do you get these dumb ideas?

What dumb ideas?

 

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

These "Aboriginal Rights" are insane on so many levels. They are what's been responsible for keeping the natives in the dark ages. The world they try to live in, doesn't exist anymore.

The best thing that could happen to them, is to have all those stupid treaties burnt.

I agree but in the era of political correctness and non offensiveness, we did what we did (liberal and conservative, nationally and provincially)

[Nationalist]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

We can agree to disagree but when you look at history, the indigenous win seemingly all the time.

https://www.yukon-news.com/national-news/alberta-first-nations-say-separation-a-direct-violation-of-treaty-7984482

https://globalnews.ca/news/11161788/first-nations-alberta-saskatchewan-vow-oppose-alberta-separation/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-indigenous-groups-call-on-carney-to-rein-in-alberta-premier-over/

A flaw of the Liberal mind.

Those treaties are poisonous to both societies. They never should have been signed. Yet had they not...Canada would have been conquered by the USA.

I don't think you full grasp the history of it all. The bottom line is...those treaties...ESPECIALLY the original...have all but destroyed the natives and made them into what they are today.

Cigarette manufacturers.

Just now, ExFlyer said:

What dumb ideas?

 

I agree but in the era of political correctness and non offensiveness, we did what we did (liberal and conservative, nationally and provincially)

So we should all just accept this failure? Shouldn't it be rectified?

[ExFlyer]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

A flaw of the Liberal mind.

Those treaties are poisonous to both societies. They never should have been signed. Yet had they not...Canada would have been conquered by the USA.

I don't think you full grasp the history of it all. The bottom line is...those treaties...ESPECIALLY the original...have all but destroyed the natives and made them into what they are today.

Cigarette manufacturers.

So we should all just accept this failure? Shouldn't it be rectified?

It is not just the liberals that have allowed the indigenous to win the in the courts and be given all they want.  This has been going in for decades with all parties not wanting to halt the movements.

As I said, I agree with you on the treaty issues but, they are now constitutionally enacted, just like Quebecs status

They are what they are today because they have become a welfare state and love it. Why work or get better if we can get everything we want for free.

Rectify? How, by cold turkey cutting them off and making then stand on their own like you and me? OK, I all for that.

Edited 8 hours ago by ExFlyer

[Nationalist]

15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

It is not just the liberals that have allowed the indigenous to win the in the courts and be given all they want.  This has been going in for decades with all parties not wanting to halt the movements.

As I said, I agree with you on the treaty issues but, they are now constitutionally enacted, just like Quebecs status

They are what they are today because they have become a welfare state and love it. Why work or get better if we can get everything we want for free.

Rectify? How, by cold turkey cutting them off and making then stand on their own like you and me? OK, I all for that.

Yes. Cut them off. Make them understand that they are in the boat WITH us. Not on a different boat.

I know it sounds "mean" but...how do parents teach a baby to sleep through the night?

By letting the baby cry itself to sleep for a few nights.