More China influence.

[I am Groot]

So the Liberals got rid of their China-friendly candidate and then replaced him with... another China-friendly candidate. A DEI cop who has made little secret of his loyalty for China and his membership on the board of a subsidiary of China's United Front. But wait, what's this in buried in the story?

During the Liberal leadership race, Mr. Carney met with the executives of the JCCC, according to its website, which described the former central banker’s entry into politics as “an important turning point in the upgrading of China-Canada relations.”

Ahhh sooo. Carney met with this Chinese influence group while still in the leadership race. He didn't need any help to win that. So why? In order to gain their favour, of course, to help him out in the election he planned to hold afterward. I wonder what promises were exchanged between candidate Carney and the representatives of the Chinese government to gain their help in the upcoming election.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-liberal-candidate-peter-yuen-chosen-to-replace-paul-chiang-linked-to/#comments

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

So the Liberals got rid of their China-friendly candidate and then replaced him with... another China-friendly candidate. A DEI cop who has made little secret of his loyalty for China and his membership on the board of a subsidiary of China's United Front. But wait, what's this in buried in the story?

During the Liberal leadership race, Mr. Carney met with the executives of the JCCC, according to its website, which described the former central banker’s entry into politics as “an important turning point in the upgrading of China-Canada relations.”

Ahhh sooo. Carney met with this Chinese influence group while still in the leadership race. He didn't need any help to win that. So why? In order to gain their favour, of course, to help him out in the election he planned to hold afterward. I wonder what promises were exchanged between candidate Carney and the representatives of the Chinese government to gain their help in the upcoming election.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-liberal-candidate-peter-yuen-chosen-to-replace-paul-chiang-linked-to/#comments

• The Liberal candidate selected by Mark Carney to replace one who was dropped over a China-related controversy is a member of a Beijing-friendly lobby organization and has given talks at events honouring a Toronto group that advocates for the annexation of Taiwan by China.

Why does Canada attract kooks who advocate for such bloody warfare? We already have enough many pro-Hamas and Khalistani separatists to commit a small genocide ffs.

[Queenmandy85]

So, if the voters in that riding prefer a different person to be their MP, they will vote for someone else. That is the voter's job.

Edited Thursday at 07:54 PM by Queenmandy85
Brain damage

[Barquentine]

More China influence.

And more reporting on pro-India groups helping PeePee get elected.

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

So, if the voters in that riding prefer a different person to be their MP, they will vote for someone else. That is the voter's job.

The voters in Canada should take notice that Mark Carney wants to put a Chinese agent in parliament.

[CouchPotato]

5 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

More China influence.

And more reporting on pro-India groups helping PeePee get elected.

Pierre was asked about Indian interference. He condemned it. Skid Mark, however, did not condemn Chinese interference when asked.

[I am Groot]

Carney has denied ever meeting with them. Only problem is they took pictures and posted them on their website. Whoops.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-carney-says-he-never-heard-of-pro-beijing-group-despite-

phhttps://x.com/WeAreCanProud/status/1910393592335786077otos-with/

 

https://x.com/stevenchase/status/1910431020760834490

Edited Thursday at 08:54 PM by I am Groot

[blackbird]

31 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

More China influence.

And more reporting on pro-India groups helping PeePee get elected.

Lying?   This is not "reporting on pro-India groups helping PP get elected".  Did you actually read the OP?

Some pro India individual made a donation to the Conservative campaign out of 37,000.  This is nothing unusual.  Thousands of people donate to the Liberal and NDP campaign as well..  So what?  Nobody knows anything about donors unless an investigation is made somehow.  I am sure if the Conservatives could investigate every donor to the NDP and Liberals they would find all kinds of questionable groups or donors behind the names.  That's just how democracy works in a free country.  Donors are not screened and their connections are not investigated.  It would not be practical or possible to investigate every donor to a political party.

But of course Liberals can hire investigators if they want to dig up some perceived faults with the opposition, but it is all just fakery.   How many Sikh Khalistan separatist radicals donate and vote for the Liberals?  Probably thousands.

Edited Thursday at 08:52 PM by blackbird

[Queenmandy85]

You get to vote for your choice to be your member of parliament. Pierre, Mark, Jacket, Yves- Francois, nor Elisabeth nave  any say in whom you vote for. You do not have to divulge whom you voted for or why. Your MP works on your behalf to advise the Ministry.

[WestCanMan]

Carney has a dozen lies/gaffes/conflicts under his belt from just the last two months, any of which would be severe enough to have CBC barking about them 24/7 if Poilievre was the guilty party.

CBC: "😱😱😱 Some random guy who doesn't like Khalistani separatists donated money to Pierre Poilievre 😱😱😱!!!"

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You get to vote for your choice to be your member of parliament. Pierre, Mark, Jacket, Yves- Francois, nor Elisabeth nave  any say in whom you vote for. You do not have to divulge whom you voted for or why. Your MP works on your behalf to advise the Ministry.

So, in the end, you're not choosing a party when you vote? 

The leader of the party isn't supposed to influence your choice?

Tell me, QM85, what did any Liberal backbencher ever do in the last 9 years aside from vote "Yea" every time the God-child spoke?

Voting for backbenchers is cute, but they really don't do much. It's Trudeau and Carney that will ruin the country, not your local MP. 

[CouchPotato]

50 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Carney has denied ever meeting with them. Only problem is they took pictures and posted them on their website. Whoops.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-carney-says-he-never-heard-of-pro-beijing-group-despite-

phhttps://x.com/WeAreCanProud/status/1910393592335786077otos-with/

 

https://x.com/stevenchase/status/1910431020760834490

Northern Perspective just posted a good video about this.

 

[blackbird]

13 hours ago, Barquentine said:

More China influence.

And more reporting on pro-India groups helping PeePee get elected.

In addition to what I said above, you should realize 37,000 people donated to the Conservative Party and thousands donate to the other parties.  

But Elections Canada regulations state an individual can only donate a maximum of $1750 to a local candidate's election campaign.  Donations are not allowed from unions or companies.  So if even a group of pro-India supporters donated $1750 each, that would only amount to a few thousand dollars if it was three or four people.  Every party is under the same Elections Canada rules.  The Conservative Party has millions of dollars from donations.  A few thousand from a particular group is insignificant.  I'm sure the Sikh Khalistan supporters also donate to the Liberal party, but these groups exist and have a right to donate if they wish.  But their donations are only a tiny drop in the bucket.  So in the overall scheme of things, the reporting of a so-called pro-India group helping the Conservatives is a gross exaggeration and therefore a lie.

Edited Friday at 09:54 AM by blackbird

[Queenmandy85]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Voting for backbenchers is cute, but they really don't do much. It's Trudeau and Carney that will ruin the country, not your local MP. 

My MP is a member of the CPC caucus. When I voted for him in the last election, it was because he has need the best MP I have ever had. The fact that Erin O'Toole was the leader was even better. 

The political party is not as important as the competence of the Ministry. The members of the Ministry have a very limited range of options. Comperant members of Cabinet listen to, and take the advice of their senior public servants. You know, those guys who have been doing their job for years and have seen all the mistakes. 

Recently, some Canadians have lost sight of the difference between politics and governance. Politics is a sport. Like all sports, it is supposed to be fun and the rules of British sportsmanship apply. It is not whether you win or lose that counts. It is how you play the game.

Governing is hard work and serious. Pragmatised is what counts, not idology.  

I keep hearing that Prime Minister Trudeau ruined the country, but I don't see it. His government managed to preserve NAFTA. That must nave been a success because to the current tory that it is going to be wrecked by Trump. The Liberal governmet put together the multi partisan team that responded to the Covid 19, probably saving tens of thousands of lives. Canada has the lowest debt per capita in the G7 and the second lowest debt as a percentage of GDP in the G7. (Just above Germany)

My concerns with Mr. Poilievre, beyone his immaturity, are his plan to drive up the debt by cutting taxes while we are under preach to double  the defence budget, up grade healthcare and education. But, it is all academic. In about 18 days, Mr. Poilievre will have the support of 183 Members of Parliament and will be appointed Prime Minister of a majority government a few days later.

Just out of curiosity, has any one on this forum ever changed their view dew of something someone said in this forum.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Carney has denied ever meeting with them. Only problem is they took pictures and posted them on their website. Whoops.

CBC and CNN think that they're helping their candidates by thoroughly covering for all of their lies, conflicts of interest and gaffes, and by doing their level best to twist opposition party statements into earth-shattering admissions of guilt, but at the end of the day it's forcing conservative candidates to up their game to a level that's far above where any of the leftist politicians are operating.

Poilievre is polished and sharp. He gets sharp jabs in politely and doesn't linger in the mud-slinging zone. His policy positions are lined up like missiles on the bottom of a fighter plane. He doesn't have to dodge questions or start with "middle-class" mumbo jumbo. 

By contrast, Carney always seems like he just got out of bed at 3:45 am and he doesn't remember what he said yesterday. He doesn't know the Libs' policies, he gives flippant answers that equate to "Yeah, the Israelis are committing genocide", he ends up lying about things that he didn't really need to lie about, he mumbles and fishes for words... 

I think that in this day and age, conservative leaders know that they need to practice these things in the mirror ad nauseam, while lefties know that they can overindulge at cocktail hour because the boss doesn't care if they show up late.

It was the same with Kamala. She felt like cackling was appropriate and answering questions was optional. Voters disagreed. 

[WestCanMan]

31 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

My MP is a member of the CPC caucus. When I voted for him in the last election, it was because he has need the best MP I have ever had. The fact that Erin O'Toole was the leader was even better. 

The political party is not as important as the competence of the Ministry. The members of the Ministry have a very limited range of options. Comperant members of Cabinet listen to, and take the advice of their senior public servants. You know, those guys who have been doing their job for years and have seen all the mistakes. 

Sure. Whatever.

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I keep hearing that Prime Minister Trudeau ruined the country, but I don't see it.

I saw it. 

I see it every day. 

Even if you ignore Trudeau's ridiculous vax-fascism and hate-mongering of the unvaxed, he has been a terrible PM and Canada has undergone serious, destructive changes while he was in office.

Homeless encampments didn't exist in this area ten years ago, and now I see people sleeping beside Hwy 10 in Langley. 

If you drove down Hastings St tomorrow you'd feel sick. But it's not just a couple blocks of Hastings anymore, it's many, many blocks long and blocks wide. 

We brought in 1M immigrants in the past 2 years and didn't create that many homes. It's not f'ing rocket science. 

I'd kill myself if I had to drive down Hastings St every day. 

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My concerns with Mr. Poilievre, beyone his immaturity, are his plan to drive up the debt by cutting taxes while we are under preach to double  the defence budget, up grade healthcare and education. But, it is all academic. In about 18 days, Mr. Poilievre will have the support of 183 Members of Parliament and will be appointed Prime Minister of a majority government a few days later.

Immaturity? Jesus Christ man, we just watched sock boy's kindergarten teacher act for the past 9 years. He hid when covid came out, he hid when the bouncy castles arrived in Ottawa, and his wife left him (it's a Trudeau thing, they can't keep a woman). 

Poilievre can save that much money just by not bribing CBC and not giving money away to other countries like it grows  on trees. 

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Just out of curiosity, has any one on this forum ever changed their view dew of something someone said in this forum.

Of course they have, they've just never admitted to it.

Eg, eyeball firmly believed that no one that was jabbed ever died of covid when that number was already in the thousands. He knows now, because I showed him, but he will never even admit that Fauci, Trudeau et al were wrong when they said "You don't need to worry about covid if you're vaxxed...", etc. 

Sometimes I think this forum is just a training ground for leftist politician wannabes. It's like they come here to test out their lies and their ability to BS, because they are so shameless and short on facts. 

I honestly started coming to online forums to find people who felt like they could defend liberal/Dem BS because I don't encounter people like that in real life. I wanted to find out why people believed in the Dems and libs, and could give me good reasons why.

I personally know people who are liberals, my own mother in law is one, but none are the kinds of people who can say anything sensible and stay in a debate once the truth starts coming out. In my experience, leftists are socially turtles aside from here, where they just lie until they finally have to f-off. 

[myata]

9 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Whoops.

Is that dumb or lying or both? First one cannot see the picture in a paywall story. But wait who can be so dumb as to not to know the difference between a "photo with a leader" can be a random picture taken at some irrelevant event and "a meeting with the group"?

There are many who just turned their brains off here but anyone who still thinks needs to ask themselves this: if the only way to support some agenda or message etc. is through the persistent, ongoing hatred, lies and manipulation, what can be its true worth? Don't we already know it?

Do we not know where these methods lead - and how they end?

Edited Friday at 05:53 AM by myata

[CouchPotato]

29 minutes ago, myata said:

Is that dumb or lying or both? First one cannot see the picture in a paywall story. But wait who can be so dumb as to not to know the difference between a "photo with a leader" can be a random picture taken at some irrelevant event and "a meeting with the group"?

Except the pictures do not look like random pictures taken among a crowd.

 

 

Furthermore, on their website on the very same day Carney was sworn in as PM the JCCC posted that they had in-depth meeting with Carney.

Edited Friday at 06:22 AM by CouchPotato

[myata]

2 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Except

I have to repeat the statement above, about the lies and manipulation. These are pictures of a Canadian politician with banners and Asian-looking people. What is the context of these? What are the facts - not musings and implications?

5 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

PM the JCCC posted that they had in-depth meeting with Carney.

And again: are these people naive, dumb or just lying? Why couldn't they just state facts - as opposed to "leads", fumings and insinuations, etc?

Ask yourself: if they had the facts why would they be doing that? I'm only asking those who still thinks and there are may others especially here.

[CouchPotato]

6 minutes ago, myata said:

I have to repeat the statement above, about the lies and manipulation. These are pictures of a Canadian politician with banners and Asian-looking people. 

The photos were from The Globe and Mail. But originally they were posted on the JCCC's website. So, by their own admission, those Asian-looking people are their own members.

Edited Friday at 06:35 AM by CouchPotato

[myata]

I have to add that at this time, now only an accomplished brainless !diot - or deliberate liars with full intent of taking Canada down the American path would peddle these manipulative pseudo-news in place of open and honest discussion of the priorities and challenges before the country. These are really the only possibilities because they seem to be just unable, past the ability to have a normal conversation, beyond the realm of normal, civilized politics and into the trumpland of lies poured over more and endless lies with the sole purpose of gaining the power.

[Moonbox]

8 minutes ago, myata said:

And again: are these people naive, dumb or just lying? Why couldn't they just state facts - as opposed to "leads", fumings and insinuations, etc?

It's just the stupidification of "conservative" politics - a veritable race to the bottom.  After the Carney and Epstein story died out as the nothingburger it was, little PP has been flailing for a new angle.  He needs that hot new slogan...People's Party Carney maybe?  It can't be more than 3 words, otherwise his audience loses interest.  

[myata]

1 minute ago, CouchPotato said:

were posted on the JCCC's website. So, by their own admission, those Asian-looking people

OK who is dumb, naive or lying here to be clueless about the difference:

"Some group posted a picture with <> on their site" and

"<> had a set meeting with the group"

Please don't be shy, step forward and raise your hand. We would like to know you (though have a pretty good idea).

[CouchPotato]

3 minutes ago, myata said:

I have to add that at this time, now only an accomplished brainless !diot - or deliberate liars with full intent of taking Canada down the American path would peddle these manipulative pseudo-news in place of open and honest discussion of the priorities and challenges before the country.

The Globe and Mail is a pretty reputable newspaper, myata.

Just now, myata said:

OK who is dumb, naive or lying here to be clueless about the difference:

Easy, myata. That is you!

[myata]

2 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

The Globe and Mail is a pretty reputable newspaper

There's nothing "reputable" in showing themselves a liar or !diot and a pawn. Not in the normal world, doesn't happen. OK we have one candidate. Any more?

Edited Friday at 06:43 AM by myata