New CPC Strategy Idea: Stop Pandering to Quebec

[WestCanMan]

For the paltry number of seats that the CPC stand to win in Quebec, why do they keep promising them the moon?

They might pick up more seats in Ontario than they lose in Quebec by dropping all their pro-Quebec BS, and if Quebec feels insulted/alienated then maybe they'll vote for the Bloc-heads. If they leave confedertion it's a win-win.

[herbie]

I endorse your suggestion! Pass your suggestion onto PP.

After all Trumpy Boy showed how you can win by being as objectionable and offending as many people as possible. Good luck.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, herbie said:

I endorse your suggestion! Pass your suggestion onto PP.

After all Trumpy Boy showed how you can win by being as objectionable and offending as many people as possible. Good luck.

I think jag meet Singh would be better served with that info the conservatives are still pretty much where they were when the election started and all of last summer, low to mid 40s. Some polls have jag meat at 6

Although it's far from over, it's possible to conservatives might lose this election. But they won't lose by that much and it won't be hard to rebuild and try again, probably it'll be a minority that will lead to an election within 18 months

But the NDP stands to be completely wiped out. No money, no leader, no seats, no say, they will basically have become the green party and Canada will basically become a two horse race. Building back for the NDP will be almost impossible.

So I don't know what you're smirking about, my party may face a minor setback with yours will probably be wiped off the face of the earth and your voice will be gone from canadian politics

[Nefarious Banana]

Liberal stats are rising by NDP'rs p!ssed with Jughead ?

[herbie]

They just ensured 2 more Greens went Liberal. Daughter saw the latest CPC election ad and blew her stack at how they sunk into utter propaganda levels. He hubby agrees.

5 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Liberal stats are rising by NDP'rs p!ssed with Jughead ?

No dummy, because there are more important issues than 100% party ideology at stake. They'll all vote NDP again but this time it's ABC. Better to get some of your policy followed than most of it retracted. Or is that too hard to understand?

[Nefarious Banana]

10 minutes ago, herbie said:

They just ensured 2 more Greens went Liberal. Daughter saw the latest CPC election ad and blew her stack at how they sunk into utter propaganda levels. He hubby agrees.

No dummy, because there are more important issues than 100% party ideology at stake. They'll all vote NDP again but this time it's ABC. Better to get some of your policy followed than most of it retracted. Or is that too hard to understand?

We'll see . . . 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, herbie said:

They just ensured 2 more Greens went Liberal. Daughter saw the latest CPC election ad and blew her stack at how they sunk into utter propaganda levels. He hubby agrees.

 

Sure. That sounds like it really happened  

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

They just ensured 2 more Greens went Liberal. Daughter saw the latest CPC election ad and blew her stack at how they sunk into utter propaganda levels. He hubby agrees.

They live in a country where  the Libs give CBC billions of taxpayers dollars to churn out election propaganda and lies 24/7, and they had a tantrum about a single CPC ad? 😂 

The chit doesn't fall far from the block. 

[August1991]

On 3/30/2025 at 2:10 PM, WestCanMan said:

For the paltry number of seats that the CPC stand to win in Quebec, why do they keep promising them the moon?

They might pick up more seats in Ontario than they lose in Quebec by dropping all their pro-Quebec BS, and if Quebec feels insulted/alienated then maybe they'll vote for the Bloc-heads. If they leave confedertion it's a win-win.

I strongly disagree.

I am a Brian Mulroney Conservative. I think free trade is good. We now have a federal VAT.

And I think that we Canadians can get along - even if we're not Liberal. 

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, August1991 said:

I strongly disagree.

I am a Brian Mulroney Conservative. I think free trade is good. We now have a federal VAT.

And I think that we Canadians can get along - even if we're not Liberal. 

But we don't have free trade within Canada...

We have "Send money to Quebec, and protect Quebec's economy at the expense of the rest of the country" right now.

The first thing that Trudeau did when he got elected was kill $100B in oil and gas sector investment and turf 100,000 high-paying Alberta jobs like it was nothing, and then he created the DPA law for SNC, tried to force JWR to use it for them, fired her for not using it, kicked her and Philpott out of the party, and then lied to Canadians about it all for months. Plus how many hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars did we have to give to the CBC and "select media outlets" to keep the SNC scandal out of the news during the next election cycle? 

That's how much the federal gov't values 100,000 Alberta jobs vs 5,000 Quebec jobs.

Edited Sunday at 06:09 PM by WestCanMan

[Nefarious Banana]

There will never be a workable Canada/country as long as Quebec is involved.  Quebec sandbags the rest of the provinces in every way, and whines about everything.  The albatross 'round the neck of Canada.

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

There will never be a workable Canada/country as long as Quebec is involved.  Quebec sandbags the rest of the provinces in every way, and whines about everything.  The albatross 'round the neck of Canada.

There will be. All it takes is people getting fed up with dealing with them and calling them on their bullshit.

If the rest of Canada was to stand up and say "hey, one more mention of the word referendum and we're going to hold one as to whether or not to throw your asses out" Then all of a sudden they would shut up.

Deep down there politicians know that they can't go on their own as a country and do well. Canada would likely give up the two language policy and all of a sudden they would be a teeny tiny little Enclave of French in a very large English-speaking world.

They wouldn't get deals like the power deal that kept them alive, they wouldn't get transfer payments, they wouldn't get large government expenditures in their province, and they wouldn't have the industrial or services or commercial base to support their people nor would they have enough of a population to be an exciting prospect for others.

And then there's the issue of the first nations, who may very well vote to stay with Canada All Things Considered. If Quebec can vote to leave Canada then the first nations can vote to leave Quebec. And a little bit of looking at a map will show you that would be a very large problem for them.

Children misbehave until a firm parent stands up and says no and means it.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

There will be. All it takes is people getting fed up with dealing with them and calling them on their bullshit.

What gov't is going to stand up to Quebec and their 78 ridings? 

If the PC do it then the Libs easily get 70 of those Quebec MP's, so they only need 102 of the remaining 273 seats. With 160 of those seats being in Ontario and the Atlantic provinces, plus a few guaranteed seats in BC's 43, the election is over before it starts.

The Libs can't do it because Quebec is an easy 35 ridings per election, with the majority of the rest going to the Bloc-heads. Que provides a +30 advantage over the PC's in every election. 

It can't be an English-speaker that does it or they'll be called racist right across Canada...

We just have the current status quo and imo it's only the premiers that can do it, but there's no way that you'll get that much consensus and resolve among the 12 of them. 

Change in the grossly unfair relationship between Quebec and the provinces will come at a glacial pace imo. And God forbid the day ever comes when Quebec has the upper hand, because there's no way they will share with the rest of Canada if the roles are ever reversed. They've considered themselves the takers here for too many generations. 

All I can see working is for the PC's to just drop Quebec promises from their campaigns: let Quebec privilege go away like "that awkward moment where a curler just slowly releases his hand from the stone, and watches it drift away..." (- Bill Burr)

Edited Sunday at 08:25 PM by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

What gov't is going to stand up to Quebec and their 78 ridings? 

It's not so much a question of what as of when.

There was a time when 78 seats would have been more than all of the western provinces combined and then some. However, the western provinces now have over 100 and are gaining new seats faster than any other region. We have another census coming up shortly and once again western provinces will likely walk away with the largest share of the increases.

Stephen harper managed to get a majority without needing any of the Quebec seats. Now that is not  entirely easy to do, but every 6 years Quebec becomes less and less relevant.

And considering the upcoming almost inevitable economic slowdown is going to hit Ontario the hardest, we may see the largest jumps yet to come. Especially if the CPC wins and we see oil and gas development increase again in the prairies and in British Columbia.

And like I said, deep down Quebec is quite aware that it can't make it on its own. The numbers just don't work. That's why they try stuff like sovereignty association and such.

Quebec is the slowest growing population base. Before too long it's going to be worth more politically to shut them up and put them in their place if they are too demanding then it is to support them

Edited Monday at 02:19 AM by CdnFox

[WestCanMan]

38 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's not so much a question of what as of when.

There was a time when 78 seats would have been more than all of the western provinces combined and then some. However, the western provinces now have over 100 and are gaining new seats faster than any other region. We have another census coming up shortly and once again western provinces will likely walk away with the largest share of the increases.

Stephen harper managed to get a majority without needing any of the Quebec seats. Now that is entirely easy to do, but every 6 years Quebec becomes less and less relevant.

And considering the upcoming almost inevitable economic slowdown is going to hit Ontario the hardest, we may see the largest jumps yet to come. Especially if the CPC wins and we see oil and gas development increase again in the prairies and in British Columbia.

And like I said, deep down Quebec is quite aware that it can't make it on its own. The numbers just don't work. That's why they try stuff like sovereignty association and such.

Quebec is the slowest growing population base. Before too long it's going to be worth more politically to shut them up and put them in their place if they are too demanding then it is to support them

I hope you're right 👍

[Army Guy]

On 3/30/2025 at 3:10 PM, WestCanMan said:

For the paltry number of seats that the CPC stand to win in Quebec, why do they keep promising them the moon?

They might pick up more seats in Ontario than they lose in Quebec by dropping all their pro-Quebec BS, and if Quebec feels insulted/alienated then maybe they'll vote for the Bloc-heads. If they leave confedertion it's a win-win.

Without Quebec in the union there is NO Canada, Just like without Alberta there is no Canada, don't get me wrong i do think quebec takes advantage of the ROC in some instances...if we lose anyone it will cascade into a free for all,and all that will be left is a bunch of smaller countries which will be reduced quickly to third world status....and the next flag we see is the American one...Keeping the union together is the number one priority and we should gladly pay those costs that keep us together...or start learning the star spangled banner 

[Nefarious Banana]

Mentioned many times before . . .'Canada West' :  Four western provinces with all the food/fuel, eastern seaport at Churchill and western seaports in BC, and the enthusiasm and drive to make it happen.  Quebec is the cancerous toe that needs to be removed so Canada can run again.  Hobble along with Quebec . . . or learn to run without them?

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Without Quebec in the union there is NO Canada, Just like without Alberta there is no Canada, don't get me wrong i do think quebec takes advantage of the ROC in some instances...if we lose anyone it will cascade into a free for all,and all that will be left is a bunch of smaller countries which will be reduced quickly to third world status....and the next flag we see is the American one...Keeping the union together is the number one priority and we should gladly pay those costs that keep us together...or start learning the star spangled banner 

 

Well maybe that's not a bad thing. Maybe we need to dissolve the relationship that hasn't been working since day one for half the land mass or more and take some time to rethink it and put it back together. Or not. 

I would much rather that, and so would the majority of westerners, than be held hostage to quebec's threats forever. 

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

Well maybe that's not a bad thing. Maybe we need to dissolve the relationship that hasn't been working since day one for half the land mass or more and take some time to rethink it and put it back together. Or not. 

I would much rather that, and so would the majority of westerners, than be held hostage to quebec's threats forever. 

If we think Canada is screw up now, wait until it is 13 separate countries...with Quebec in the middle of it all...The small amount that the ROC puts into Quebec is nothing compared to what the liberals squander every year...before we talk about separation lets see what PP brings to the table...

[CdnFox]

26 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

If we think Canada is screw up now, wait until it is 13 separate countries...with Quebec in the middle of it all...The small amount that the ROC puts into Quebec is nothing compared to what the liberals squander every year...before we talk about separation lets see what PP brings to the table...

If he gets to the table.  the libs are masters at dodging responsibility and ontario looks for reasons to ignore the liberal corruption. 

We'll see. 

[Army Guy]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If he gets to the table.  the libs are masters at dodging responsibility and ontario looks for reasons to ignore the liberal corruption. 

We'll see. 

If he does not then thats when we will see the west take some action, and when they do Carney will be a moot point...Liberals' might be a moot point, atleast in the west....

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

If he does not then thats when we will see the west take some action, and when they do Carney will be a moot point...Liberals' might be a moot point, atleast in the west....

Possibly. As with many things the devil is in the details. But we will see who actually wins

I remember things being this tense just before harper won. Polling had western separation right near the 50% mark in some provinces with British Columbia of all places being the highest. Those numbers never really go out, and if there is a sense that it is impossible for the west to avoid the east electing corrupt governments again and again then I suspect it will flare to the surface