AT LEAST 1 in 5 Canadian Conservatives Support Becoming 51st State: Angus Reid Poll

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

 These can’t ever be downplayed, whether or not our main government eventually shifts to Washington.   

again, you're thinking like a Boomer,

when already there is no difference between an American Zoomer and a Canadian Zoomer,

these relationships you are invoking are dissipating very rapidly in Monoculture Smartphone world,

kids can't even read books these days, never mind feel any affinity for archaic Canadian history

[Zeitgeist]

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

again, you're thinking like a Boomer,

when already there is no difference between an American Zoomer and a Canadian Zoomer,

these relationships you are invoking are dissipating very rapidly in Monoculture Smartphone world,

kids can't even read books these days, never mind feel any affinity for archaic Canadian history

But without culture we’re just worker bee consumers.  I’m fascinated by cultural anthropology, history, architecture, and all things cultural. That’s the one big card Quebec has in North America. It’s just interesting and fun to explore regions with their own traditions, food, and dialects.  Of course putting food on the table trumps other considerations, but a strong country can have both.  

Edited Saturday at 03:58 PM by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

But without culture we’re just worker bee consumers.

American culture is simply supplanting Canadian culture,

to wit, only Boomers watch the CBC

 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

Never complain, never explain.

 

Mr Trump? Is that you?!?  

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 but a strong country can have both.  

but again, Canada is a very weak federation, by design in fact,

never mind politically, even just geographically, Canada doesn't work as an east - west enterprise,

it's not that anybody chose to go north south politically, that was in place long before Free Trade,

as an emergency measure in the face of Trump's lunacy,

Canada can adopt a defensive posture,

but it's not sustainable long term in the face of market forces

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

American culture is simply supplanting Canadian culture,

to wit, only Boomers watch the CBC

 

In urban high immigration Canada I agree, except in Quebec, the Maritimes, Newfoundland and the far north where it’s not as easy to forget where you are. The fact that these new influences are so overwhelming should be reason to reflect on our reliance on immigration for our persistence and the fact that life in Canada is becoming unaffordable for families.  It also should make Canadians question whether further Americanization is desirable.  Again, I think we can have these different influences and maximize opportunities if people are feeling confident about the future.  It really starts with the basics: Can I have a good job and afford a home?   Is my community a good place to live and work?  Can I expand from here?

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

In urban high immigration Canada I agree, except in Quebec, the Maritimes, Newfoundland and the far north where it’s not as easy to forget where you are. The fact that these new influences are so overwhelming should be reason to reflect on our reliance on immigration for our persistence and the fact that life in Canada is becoming unaffordable for families.  It also should make Canadians question whether further Americanization is desirable.  Again, I think we can have these different influences and maximize opportunities if people are feeling confident about the future.  It really starts with the basics: Can I have a good job and afford a home?   Is my community a good place to live and work?  Can I expand from here?

well I am steeped in Canadian history right back to Samuel de Champlain in June of 1603,

but that plus the exact fare, gets me a ride on the public transit,

yet I don't find Canada to be unnafordable, certainly not compared to the 1980's ,

like when was a fully detached home ever cheap in Toronto ? 

never was, my father had a good government job, practically for life,

but he couldn't afford to buy a home, just a duplex, until he was almost 50,

and with a mortgage rate of 18%, he could barely afford it actually,

the youth simply have no perspective, they don't know how rough the 70's & 80's actually were,

I grew up in cockroach infested basement apartments with junkies shooting up in the alley behind,

downtown Toronto has become totally gentrified now in comparison,

my niece thinks she's "poor",  but she actually lives in a luxury condominium,

and since the condo market is collapsing in Toronto, her rent costs are going down not up

Edited Saturday at 04:46 PM by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well I am steeped in Canadian history right back to Samuel de Champlain in June of 1603,

but that plus the exact fare, gets me a ride on the public transit,

yet I don't find Canada to be unnafordable, certainly not compared to the 1980's ,

like when was a fully detached home ever cheap in Toronto ? 

never was, my father had a good government job, practically for life,

but he couldn't afford to buy a home, just a duplex, until he was almost 50,

and with a mortgage rate of 18%, he could barely afford it actually,

the youth simply have no perspective, they don't know how rough the 70's & 80's actually were,

I grew up in cockroach infested basement apartments with junkies shooting up in the alley behind,

downtown Toronto has become totally gentrified now in comparison,

my niece thinks she's "poor",  but she actually lives in a luxury condominium

I’d like to see Ontario seed infrastructure in massive new planned communities in places like St.Thomas and Chatham in southwestern Ontario, cheap land that becomes economically viable when connected by high speed rail and decent amenities.  Toronto is Manhattan North.  It’s not affordable for young families.  We should also be seeding cities farther north.  This strip of development along Lake Ontario is a traffic nightmare.  It’s going to keep growing and the subway and highway construction are going to have to be continuous.  For me the most desirable places in Ontario are cities like Guelph, K-W and London.  Oakville, Burlington, Kleinburg and Markham are beautiful but too expensive for most people starting out.  Toronto is great for the rich.  

Edited Saturday at 04:54 PM by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’d like to see Ontario seed infrastructure in massive new planned communities in places like St.Thomas and Chatham in southwestern Ontario, cheap land that becomes economically viable when connected by high speed rail and decent amenities.  Toronto is Manhattan North.  It’s not affordable for young families.  We should also be seeded cities farther north.  This strip of development along Lake Ontario is a traffic nightmare.  It’s going to keep growing and the subway and highway construction are going to have to be continuous.  For me the most desirable places in Ontario are cities like Guelph, K-W and London.  Oakville, Burlington, Kleinburg and Markham are beautiful but too expensive for most people starting out.  Toronto is great for the rich.  

well again, the condo market is so overbuilt in Toronto,

that soon it will be cheaper to rent a condo in Toronto than it will be to rent one in K-W

K-W ain't cheap, sure your condo might be a little larger than in Toronto, but the rent will be the same

[Zeitgeist]

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well again, the condo market is so overbuilt in Toronto,

that soon it will be cheaper to rent a condo in Toronto than it will be to rent one in K-W

K-W ain't cheap, sure your condo might be a little larger than in Toronto, but the rent will be the same

True, you really have to get southwest of London, north of Barrie, or east of Oshawa to find affordable housing. Hamilton is the exception, but pick your area wisely.  

Edited Saturday at 05:20 PM by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

True, you really have to get southwest of London, north of Barrie, or east of Oshawa to find affordable housing. Hamilton is the exception, but pick your area wisely.  

well I would suggest the trick is to invest in more value added sectors,

that could be tech in K-W,

or it could also be mining in Northern Ontario,

either way tho, auto manufacturing is a dead end,

that industry is dying a slow death regardless of tariffs,

those jobs that the Americans are "stealing" don't even pay well anymore,

nobody is aspiring to make $20 an hour assembling auto parts,

[Zeitgeist]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well I would suggest the trick is to invest in more value added sectors,

that could be tech in K-W,

or it could also be mining in Northern Ontario,

either way tho, auto manufacturing is a dead end,

that industry is dying a slow death regardless of tariffs,

those jobs that the Americans are "stealing" don't even pay well anymore,

nobody is aspiring to make $20 an hour assembling auto parts,

I’m excited to see resource development in the Ring of Fire. Ontario has so much going for it.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m excited to see resource development in the Ring of Fire. Ontario has so much going for it.  

well if you go to a Linamar plant at shift change ; all the employees are immigrants just off the cabbage boat,

that's the only workers they can get to work there for what Linamar pays,

forcing Ontario to move on from auto manufacturing would in fact be creative destruction

[Zeitgeist]

20 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well if you go to a Linamar plant at shift change ; all the employees are immigrants just off the cabbage boat,

that's the only workers they can get to work there for what Linamar pays,

forcing Ontario to move on from auto manufacturing would in fact be creative destruction

Yeah but I think it’s worth maintaining a presence in these sectors, not at all costs, but I like the idea that if need be we can manufacture anything in a pinch.  Our auto sector can produce any kind of vehicle.  We let our aerospace capacity lapse somewhat. We stopped making appliances.  Yes we produce top tier engineers and coders, but we tend not to cash in on intellectual property or keep our best companies from being acquired by larger fish.

We have to capture more of the design royalties in a world where increasingly factories are just giant pre-programmed automated 3-d printers that can be plunked anywhere.  Increasingly AI is doing the programming. How do we employ people and extract tax revenue from such schemes?  The brightest programmers will always do well. Governments and pension funds will have to be shareholders essentially redistributing the profits from these enterprises.  Citizens will have to derive benefits. Right now only a segment of the population are shareholders in this fourth Industrial Revolution.

Countries are now just geographical zones where such business takes place and the population sets spending priorities based on its cultural and economic interests.  If a guy can design a cheap rocket over the weekend using design software, everything becomes a matter of availability of raw materials, energy, and access to machinery/robotics, which can be bought if you have energy and/or resources.  Canada may have more per capita energy and resources than any country.  We also have the designers and programmers.  

Edited Saturday at 06:15 PM by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Yeah but I think it’s worth maintaining a presence in these sectors, not at all costs, but I like the idea that if need be we can manufacture anything in a pinch.

the way to do that is to invest more in 3D printers and robots,

the problem with Canadian companies is that they refuse to invest in technology,

so again, forcing them out of that comfort zone is creative destruction

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Yes we produce top tier engineers and coders, but we tend not to cash in on intellectual property or keep our best companies from being acquired by larger fish.

that is indeed an almost uniquely Canadian deficiency,

but again, that is all due to Canadian complacency and naivete,

so the shock of an existential trade war is a good thing,

Canada is getting its comeuppance for decades of being asleep at the switch

[Iceni warrior]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Mr Trump? Is that you?!?  

?

That's the unofficial motto of the royal family.

[herbie]

On 3/27/2025 at 4:06 PM, BeaverFever said:

The percentage of Conservatives who said they would support a merger rose to 33 per cent when presented with the prospect of a Liberal majority government in Ottawa after the April 28 federal election.

Not far from my estimate of 32% of conservative support being from traitors, eh? Now strip out the extremist right and the actual number of real traditional Conservatives drops down into near traditional NDP territory.
The real polarization is between Conservatives and the right, not the right & left.

Edited Sunday at 12:58 AM by herbie

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

?

That's the unofficial motto of the royal family.

I can see why it isn't the official one. 

I'll stick with keep calm and carry on thanks  

[CouchPotato]

10 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

American culture is simply supplanting Canadian culture,

to wit, only Boomers watch the CBC

 

I think the fact that CBC is even considered Canadian culture is a problem of it's own. The government's effort to protect Canadian culture inevitably leads to the government defining what Canadian culture is. It's very phony. Culture comes from the people.

I would argue against the statement that American culture is supplanting Canadian culture, but only because I would say Canadians have always consumed American culture more than Canadian culture. Talented Canadian artists have always made their money in America. Even the 'elbows up' movement was started on an American television show by a Canadian who made his career in the US.

I think an honest assessment would be that Canadian culture and American culture are very similar. They have always been related. We were both largely colonized by Brits. We are neighbors. There are, of course, things which are distinctly Canadian. But I would also say the fact that Canadians have always consumed American culture is reflective of Canadian culture. I mean this is what actual Canadian people decide to do, as opposed to what the CRTC tries to promote that we do. 

The government puts too much effort into being Canadian. If you are something, you don't have to try very hard to be it. Also, I think so much of that effort is focused on the idea of not being American.

Edited Sunday at 02:41 AM by CouchPotato

[Dougie93]

11 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

I think the fact that CBC is even considered Canadian culture is a problem of it's own. The government's effort to protect Canadian culture inevitably leads to the government defining what Canadian culture is. It's very phony. Culture comes from the people.

I would argue against the statement that American culture is supplanting Canadian culture, but only because I would say Canadians have always consumed American culture more than Canadian culture. Talented Canadian artists have always made their money in America. Even the 'elbows up' movement was started on an American television show by a Canadian who made his career in the US.

I think an honest assessment would be that Canadian culture and American culture are very similar. They have always been related. We were both largely colonized by Brits. We are neighbors. There are, of course, things which are distinctly Canadian. But I would also say the fact that Canadians have always consumed American culture is reflective of Canadian culture. I mean this is what actual Canadian people decide to do, as opposed to what the CRTC tries to promote that we do. 

The government puts too much effort into being Canadian. If you are something, you don't have to try very hard to be it. Also, I think so much of that effort is focused on the idea of not being American.

at the end of the day, when Canadians ceased to be British,

that simply returned them whence they came,

which was not from England,

but rather the American colonies,

there's really no such thing as Canadian culture, other than being Loyalist Americans,

"Canadian" being a French name adopted in the wake of the War of 1812,

the CBC is a classically British institution therein, a British North American state enterprise,

but if one is not British anymore, but rather has reverted to being American ;

then one views the CBC as Americans do ; as statist propaganda

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

at the end of the day, when Canadians ceased to be British,

that simply returned them whence they came,

which was not from England,

but rather the American colonies,

there's really no such thing as Canadian culture, other than being Loyalist Americans,

"Canadian" being a French name adopted in the wake of the War of 1812,

the CBC is a classically British institution therein, a British North American state enterprise,

but if one is not British anymore, but rather has reverted to being American ;

then one views the CBC as Americans do ; as statist propaganda

dude you're a scumbag who pretends to have served when you've done nothing at all and pretends to know about canada when you're not even canadian by your own admission.

We're fine. you go live in america and we'll take care of things here, you lying valour stealing piece of human waste. 

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

dude you're a scumbag who pretends to have served when you've done nothing at all and pretends to know about canada when you're not even canadian by your own admission.

We're fine. you go live in america and we'll take care of things here, you lying valour stealing piece of human waste. 

you're the one who represents the pro-American party, the CPC are the Republicans of Canada,

I'm supporting Canada's British Prime Minister,

Dieu Sauve le Roi

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

you're the one who represents the pro-American party, the CPC are the Republicans of Canada,

 

We already knew you were stupid. We didn't need you to demonstrate it.

[I am Groot]

On 3/28/2025 at 1:31 PM, Iceni warrior said:

TBF unless you are Inuit, Métis or First Nations you are all foreigners.

This is sooo tired, cliched and, well, dumb.

Why does the Left think it's fine to say "You're not a real Canadian if you weren't born here five thousand years ago!" but at the same time say "The instant you get off a plane and get your passport you're a 100% Canadian and as good as anyone else born and raised here!"

Because they're DUMB.