Canada not mentioned in U.S. threat assessment’s summary of fentanyl crisis

[BeaverFever]

Canada not mentioned in U.S. threat assessment’s summary of fentanyl crisis

Fentanyl from Canada was not mentioned in a report released Tuesday outlining what the U.S. intelligence community considers the most serious foreign threats to the United States, despite President Donald Trump claiming that illicit drugs coming through the northern border are “an unusual and extraordinary threat.” The Trump administration has linked its punishing tariffs on Canada to Ottawa’s inability to stop the flow of fentanyl, which it says has risen massively in recent years. However, previous reporting from The Globe has found that the White House is using misleading data about drug seizures and their links to Canada.

 

…Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, presented the report’s findings during the scheduled Senate intelligence committee hearing on Tuesday.

 

During the hearing, Democratic Senator Martin Heinrich of New Mexico pressed Ms. Gabbard about Canada’s omission from the report and said he was surprised the country was not mentioned given Mr. Trump’s rhetoric. Ms. Gabbard said the focus of the ATA is on the “most extreme threats,” and its assessment is that the most extreme threat is “from and through Mexico.”

When asked for comment on Tuesday, the White House referred the request to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which said it had nothing to share beyond what was in the report.

Citing U.S. Customs and Border Protection data, the White House has previously asserted that 43 pounds of fentanyl was intercepted at the northern border last fiscal year, marking a “massive 2,050 per cent increase” compared with the year prior, when two pounds of the deadly synthetic drug was seized.

However, as Globe analysis of the border agency’s figures found, the dataset does not reveal the origin of the drugs and U.S. border agents confirmed that the methodology used for attributing seizures to the northern border doesn’t hinge on whether the fentanyl was intercepted at the border or whether it came from Canada. It could have been seized hundreds of kilometres inland, and it may have no ties to Canada whatsoever.

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-canada-not-mentioned-in-us-threat-assessments-summary-of-fentanyl/?login=true

 

[SpankyMcFarland]

The Canada accusation was always rubbish. 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The Canada accusation was always rubbish. 

99% of what comes out of Trump's mouth about Canada is rubbish. Like this is a surprise?

[CdnFox]

It's necessary for him to declare it an 'emergency' to justify tariffs without congress as i understand it.  

Fentanyl does cross the border.  And we could do more about fentynal in canada. But it's just not a major thing for the us. 

[herbie]

16 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Fentanyl does cross the border.

99.9% headed north.
As are the refugees.

Stop gobbling up Trump's bullshit and look at the facts.

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, herbie said:

99.9% headed north.
As are the refugees.

 

Well neither are true. 

Fentynal heads south, guns head north. 

And the refugees are actually similar. 

[Aristides]

On 3/26/2025 at 1:02 PM, CdnFox said:

Well neither are true. 

Fentynal heads south, guns head north. 

And the refugees are actually similar. 

Cocaine and Meth heads north. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Cocaine and Meth heads north. 

Cocaine yes, meth I haven't really heard about. I had heard a rumor somewhere that we get more cocaine through our ports than our border but I could be wrong.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 3/26/2025 at 5:32 PM, CdnFox said:

Well neither are true. 

Fentynal heads south, guns head north. 

And the refugees are actually similar. 

But US guns have been a much bigger part of the gun problem for us than Canadian fentanyl has been for them. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

But US guns have been a much bigger part of the gun problem for us than Canadian fentanyl has been for them. 

Sure ,  i made that point and so did others some time ago. 

However Herbie the furbie's claim was that 99 percent of all fentanyl crossing the border was heading north. I simply pointed out that no, other things come north but fentanyl heads south. 

[BeaverFever]

On 3/26/2025 at 4:02 PM, CdnFox said:

Well neither are true. 

Fentynal heads south, guns head north. 

And the refugees are actually similar. 

The amount of fentanyl heading south is virtually zero, period. The amount is trivial

Edited March 29 by BeaverFever

[herbie]

The amount so so damn huge that the US Border Patrol has not mentioned a single seizure worth reporting since The FatAss Liar first mentioned the subject.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The amount of fentanyl heading south is virtually zero, period. The amount is trivial

Well that's not true at all.  It is a lot more than zero.  And no amount is 'trivial'. 

You can make the argument that it's pretty small in comparison to other sources, you can also make the argument that THEIR border is not OUR problem.  But you could ALSO make the argument that we don't do a reasonable amount to control it in our own borders.  There are massive fentynal labs in operation in canada, a number have been busted and they're HUGE, way more than would be of use for our market.  We've done little to address it and that creates problems. 

It's childish and stupid to over exaggerate the problem. It's equally as puerile and ignorant to pretend it doesn't exist. 

49 minutes ago, herbie said:

The amount so so damn huge that the US Border Patrol has not mentioned a single seizure worth reporting since The FatAss Liar first mentioned the subject.

That is just as likely to mean they aren't catching it as it is to mean it isn't flowing. 

[Aristides]

Then it's a good thing we are busting them.

Hopefully they are doing something about the amount of cocaine, crystal meth and guns that come north.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Then it's a good thing we are busting them.

 

Yes. And it's a good thing that this is drawn attention to the problem and that we're devoting more resources to catch and prosecute fentanyl manufacturing and dealing within our own borders. We should have been doing that regardless of trump.

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Hopefully they are doing something about the amount of cocaine, crystal meth and guns that come north.

maybe, i know they're cracking down on a lot of the illegal immigration that smuggled that stuff.  But just like i would say that securing the border against fentynal is THEIR problem, securing our own borders is more of 'our' problem. 

[herbie]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

That is just as likely to mean they aren't catching it as it is to mean it isn't flowing

yes and just because no one caught PP eating kittens doesn't prove he doesn't, eh?

Lamest excuse to believe Trumpian bullshit ever.

[BeaverFever]

59 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well that's not true at all.  It is a lot more than zero

🙄spare me the phoney moral grandstanding 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well that's not true at all.  It is a lot more than zero

The report proves that it is true because it doesn’t even bother to mention Canada. 43 lbs. thats a child’s backpack worth. Out of the 21 tons that comes from Mexico or directly to the USA.  AND as the OP says even the 43 lbs may be overstated 

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

There are massive fentynal labs in operation in canada, a number have been busted and they're HUGE, way more than would be of use for our market.  

I pasted this statement into chatgpt, here’s what it said:

The statement “There are massive fentanyl labs in operation in Canada, a number have been busted and they’re HUGE, way more than would be of use for our market.” is a partial exaggeration with some truth to it.
 

 

What’s Exaggerated or Misleading:

1. “Massive fentanyl labs” are not widespread in Canada – Compared to Mexico, where industrial-scale fentanyl production is common, Canada does not have a large number of these “massive” labs. The number of significant busts remains relatively small.

2. Most fentanyl in Canada is imported, not produced locally – While some labs exist, Canada is not a major fentanyl manufacturer in the way Mexico is. Instead, fentanyl is often imported from China or Mexico and then processed or mixed in Canada.

3. “Way more than would be of use for our market” is not fully supported – While some labs may produce excess amounts, the scale is nowhere near Mexico’s industrial operations, which supply most of the fentanyl in North America.

 

Final Verdict:

• Partially true: There have been large fentanyl labs busted in Canada, and some may produce more than domestic demand.

• Exaggerated: Canada does not have a widespread issue with “massive” fentanyl labs compared to Mexico, and most fentanyl in Canada is imported, not produced.

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, herbie said:

yes and just because no one caught PP eating kittens doesn't prove he doesn't, eh?

 

Well if we found that he had a giant kitten eating lab that raised kittens specifically for consumption and had enough kittens on hand to feed every Canadian twice over and we had caught him eating some kittens.... it might be pretty reasonable to assume there's some kittens we didn't catch him eating  

sadly the kittens are smarter than you   

[CdnFox]

46 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

🙄spare me the phoney moral grandstanding 

Oh yes, your usual bullshit when you've been caught out and can't defend yourself. You couldn't refute what I said so you try and dismiss it despite the fact that Even a grade schooler could see that it's true

How about you spare me the faux outrage instead and just admit you're wrong instead of virtue signaling

 

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The report proves that it is true because it doesn’t even bother to mention Canada. 43 lbs. thats a child’s backpack worth. Out of the 21 tons that comes from Mexico or directly to the USA.  AND as the OP says even the 43 lbs may be overstated 

The report doesn't prove that it's true in the slightest. And again what they caught is not synonymous with what they smuggled.

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I pasted this statement into chatgpt, here’s what it said:

Switching to artificial intelligence because you don't have any intelligence of your own I take it  

 

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Final Verdict:

• Partially true: There have been large fentanyl labs busted in Canada, and some may produce more than domestic demand.

• Exaggerated: Canada does not have a widespread issue with “massive” fentanyl labs compared to Mexico, 

 

Sorry kiddo but that literally is exactly what I said. You can't say we don't have any because we have large fentanyl Labs busted in Canada and some produce more than domestic demand by themselves. And that we're smaller than Mexico. It literally confirmed what i said.  

Your AI experiment has let you down. I am 100% correct. There are huge massive fentanyl labs in Canada. They produce more than domestic demand. Canada has less than Mexico but you would be a complete loser to say it has none.

You said it had none

 

But I love that it took artificial intelligence for you to realize I was right all along. It would appear that my actual intelligence is superior to your artificial intelligence and your non-intelligence  

As I have always claimed, the flow from Canada is substantial. it is no where near other sources such as mexico but it is a lot more than zero.

Is there anything else you'd like to prove me correct about at the moment?   You have no idea how much I'm laughing at you

Edited March 29 by CdnFox

[SpankyMcFarland]

The total of fentanyl seized is in dispute:

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And even that 43-pound figure is grossly misleading. A Globe and Mail investigationfound that while the drugs may have been seized in the border region, they did not necessarily come from Canada. Police in the Spokane sector of Washington state told The Globe that, in fact, most of the drugs that flow through the Pacific Northwest come from Mexico.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-fentanyl-crisis-canada-us-border/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-white-house-misusing-fentanyl-data-to-justify-tariffs-globe/

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The total of fentanyl seized is in dispute:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-fentanyl-crisis-canada-us-border/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-white-house-misusing-fentanyl-data-to-justify-tariffs-globe/

 

So what you're saying is that of the amounts passing across the border they might have caught even less than we thought. 

Well that's not good. 

[eyeball]

On 3/29/2025 at 1:18 PM, CdnFox said:

Well that's not true at all.  It is a lot more than zero.  And no amount is 'trivial'. 

I knew a guy who was arrested for a seed once. One seed.

Of course the judge let him off - now look at the country.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I knew a guy who was arrested for a seed once. One seed.

 

Sigh. I've told you a million times that was 'the little shop of horrors' and you don't actually know that guy 

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Of course the judge let him off - now look at the country.

If the judge wanted to save the country he should have arrested justin. But alas... no body camera so he couldn't. 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

If the judge wanted to save the country he should have arrested justin. But alas... no body camera so he couldn't.

Food for thought isn't it?

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Food for thought isn't it?

if it WERE food, it'd be a can of mixed nuts