blackbird Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 (edited) I have to ask if he is speaking with a forked tongue. He talks a good talk about building infrastructure, pipelines, etc. but says nothing about removing all the caps that are forcing the energy industry to be non-competitive with the rest of the world and prevent it from really increasing production as they otherwise could. His speech here mentions nothing about removing the carbon tax from the energy industry or the caps. Carney says he's committed to making oil industry more competitive | Watch All the regulations are still in place against Canada's energy industry. Carney says nothing about it. He wants to sound like he is really going to build up the industry but left out the crucial problem. Oil and gas sector greenhouse gas pollution cap - Canada.ca His inaction on removing the regulations, carbon taxes on industry, and caps on the energy industry should come as no surprise. His history is he worked for the U.N. in a prominent position as a warrior against climate change and as an globalist climate change fighter. Can we expect him to suddenly change? I don't think so. Edited March 24 by blackbird Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 Why do you like climate change and pollution so much? Quote
herbie Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 He's a true Cantservative. Can't even believe other people can do two things at once. Can't believe you can build something without destroying something else. Can't believe the future is ahead of us, it must be behind. Quote
CdnFox Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Why do you like climate change and pollution so much? If we did we'd vote liberal. They've done more to promote both of those things while at the same time claiming to fight it than anyone else. The biggest drop in pollution was under harper It's a question of do you want someone who claims they'll work on it and then ignores it or do you want someone who doesn't make a claim but does a decent job So the real question is as a liberal supporter why do you hate the climate so much? Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: The biggest drop in pollution was under harper Credit for the drop in pollution goes to Ontario for shutting down a big coal plant Harper gets credit for the global financial collapse...which is what actually resulted in less greenhouse gas emissions. Harper also deserves credit for proving the only way to reduce emissions is to reduce the economy. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: Credit for the drop in pollution goes to Ontario for shutting down a big coal plant Except it wasn't just a coal plant. Harper's policies including the gST rebate on Home Improvements designed to reduce the cost of heating homes and such actually achieve something. Justin achieve far less even though we had covid we shut the entire economy down for a time. I know it hurts you that the conservatives do more and have always done more than liberals on the environmental front, but sadly facts don't care about your feelings Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: know it hurts you that the conservatives do more and have always done more than liberals on the environmental front, but sadly facts don't care about your feeling Sure kid. While it's true that GHG emissions are lower than they were when Harper took office, the only years the levels actually dropped were 2008 and 2009, during the height of the great recession. This would explain why the Green Party tweeted during last night's debate, "Mr. Harper, if you want to take credit for the drop in emissions, you can also take credit for the 2008 global economic crisis. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3249242 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 54 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sure kid. While it's true that GHG emissions are lower than they were when Harper took office, the only years the levels actually dropped were 2008 and 2009, during the height of the great recession. You mean when he instituted the policies I mentioned. And actually 2008 wasn't the height of the great recession, 2009 and 2010 were So in other words I was right and your big mad about it Also your quote is wrong. Have a look Harper took over and immediately carbon emissions began to drop. Canada: CO₂ emissions 1960-2023 | Statista So that's why you never trust the CBC. Your 'source' was wrong. Harper dropped emissions in his first 2 years before the recession. ANd they stayed lower even during the recovery. Lets look at how justin did in his lead up to the covid crisis WOAH!!! Justin inhereted a downward trend, with a sharp downward spike JUST BEFORE justin took over and long after the recession.... and then it climbed year after year under justin like a rocket!!!!! Sooooo, the CPC did 100 times better than justin did. And left office with even more improvments and a downward trend. Justin spiked carbon emissions like crazy. Aint that just hilarious stop getting your "facts" from the cbc, you'll be better off Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 49 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You mean when he instituted the policies I mentioned. No, when he engineered the great recession I mentioned. But like I said, Harper showed the world how to really deal with global warming. Anyhow it's a wonder PP isn't making hay on the campaign trail about how Conservatives are the only Canadian party that's ever reduced CO2 emissions. Why do you think PP isn't drawing Canadians attention to this? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted March 24 Report Posted March 24 1 hour ago, eyeball said: No, when he engineered the great recession I mentioned. It doesn't make any sense. The drop started before the great recession even started And it was his policies and reactions that resulted in the benefit. Prior to covid Trudeau was driving emissions through the roof like a rocket. Pretty serious difference 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Anyhow it's a wonder PP isn't making hay on the campaign trail about how Conservatives are the only Canadian party that's ever reduced CO2 emissions. Nobody really cares about climate change anymore. Now that it's been exposed as being a bit of a fraud there are bigger fish to fry. Canada does not want another lost decade Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 24 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nobody really cares about climate change anymore. Really? LMAO! A day doesn't go by when we're told Carney intends to sneak a new carbon tax on Canadian's. This is still very much a carbon tax election so again; given Conservatives are the only federal party who've successfully reduced CO2 emissions in Canada and did it not only without a carbon tax but with a GST tax cut aimed at emission reducing home improvements, it's downright weird that PP isn't falling over himself to highlight this Conservative achievement to Canadians. Or did Conservatives actually concede they were full of crap and I missed it? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 48 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nobody really cares about climate change anymore. BTW the climate changes all the time, it's AGW people care about, whether it's actually doing something, like the Conservatives, or virtue signalling like...everyone else. It still matters a lot to Poilievre, especially since he'd like to switch the channel away from Trump. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
herbie Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 Someone mistakes "no one" for people of his ilk. That's why PP's climate plan is to increase CO2 and pollution and pretend making things worse is making them better. Ya know the old one: I know you standing in shit up to your neck, but here's another nickel in your pocket. What could be more important? Quote
CdnFox Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 15 minutes ago, eyeball said: BTW the climate changes all the time, it's AGW people care about, Yawn. Sorry did you say something? -everybody. Kid ya had 10 years to take this seriously, you didn't, people are done with it as a major topic. Even the libs and the ndp. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Goddess Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 Mass immigration AND net zero is not possible. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
CdnFox Posted March 25 Report Posted March 25 36 minutes ago, Goddess said: Mass immigration AND net zero is not possible. NetZero is not possible immigration or not. It's just juggling the numbers without substance. If we want to get to less carbon emissions we need better technology. We have come many miles in the last couple of decades but we are definitely not there yet. Any serious attempt to make major reductions in greenhouse gases would have to involve investments to get a quantum leap forward In the ability to generate and store energy. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
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