CdnFox Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Kilimnik turned everything he got from Manafort over to Russian intellegence. So you're saying that trump's campaign didn't kill it with the Russians but this guy did. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 8 hours ago, Hodad said: I'm sure you think that. Probably hard to read the senate report with your head up your ass. No doubt you've missed many things over the years. I hope someone comes up with a cure for your condition. We have a cure. His name is Donald J Trump. It is so very incredible that all you Libbies have decided to push this TDS chickenshit even harder. Which is why, as Trump dismantles all the Libbie chickenshit, I have decided to soak in and relish your wailings. "OHHH...TRUMP BROKE THE LAAAWWW! HE'S A LIAR! HE'S A RAPIST! HE'S TEARING OUR BEAUTIFUL MONEY MACHINE APART! OHHH GAWD! SOMEONE STOP HIM!" heheheeeeeeeee... Didja like Bugs Bunny as a kid? He's laughing in you're silly-a55 face. Has been all along... Elmer. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
gatomontes99 Posted March 21 Report Posted March 21 5 hours ago, Hodad said: No, the REPUBLICAN-led Senate Intelligence report was not trying to "cover" anything. The Republicans voted not to hold Trump accountable for his abuses of power. They had nothing political to gain from acknowledging that the Trump campaign was working with Russian intelligence while Russian intelligence attempted to influence the election. The report is damning, but if anything, they soft-sold it. The history books will not say this was a "witch hunt." The history books will record: Manafort campaign strategy-->Kilimnik--> Soviet intelligence. Do you want to know how I know that you know what you said is bullshit? You claimed it was an abuse of power while also complaining his campaign did it. Campaigns have no power. You know that. The only thing they did, was sell some internal polling to a Ukrainian with ties to Russia. Manafort was the sole arbiter of that deal. The campaign didn't know. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, West said: Manafort shared readily available polling data with a person he knew from the business world. Not Russian intelligence. There's no evidence he knew the guy was Russian intelligence and was put up on paper work related charges not related to "collusion" so that Hillary Clinton could save face. The Democrats destroyed the reputation of Jeff Sessions for simply taking a meeting with the Russian ambassador to the United States in his role as us senator. Pretty vile Ironically Hillary Clinton's campaign finance manager's brother was also in business with Manafort and no doubt had the same business connections. Nice try It was not "readily available." It was internal polling and campaign strategy. And if everyone else in the campaign knew about Kilimnik, you really think it's plausible that Manafort, with his extensive ties to and experience in Russia knew less than the staffers? You're telling the world you're THAT gullible? Jeebus. I'll ask again, in your mind, if he wasn't doing anything wrong, why did Mandatory understand such extreme, layered tradecraft to hide those activities? Get real. Edited March 22 by Hodad Quote
Aristides Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) On 3/20/2025 at 8:22 AM, West said: It's wild. Record number of inductions. Whacky judges thinking they can overstep and undermine the will of the voters. It is the job of Congress and the courts to stop a president from being a dictator. Congress has abrogated its responsibility so the only thing in the way of Trump being a dictator is the courts. Dumb F*ck MAGA's either want a dictatorship or are too stupid to understand the separation of powers. Edited March 22 by Aristides 1 Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Hodad said: It was not "readily available." It was internal polling and campaign strategy. And if everyone else in the campaign knew about Kilimnik, you really think it's plausible that Manafort, with his extensive ties to and experience in Russia knew less than the staffers? You're telling the world you're THAT gullible? Jeebus. I'll ask again, in your mind, if he wasn't doing anything wrong, why did Mandatory understand such extreme, layered tradecraft to hide those activities? Get real. Polling data can be used for alot of things including business marketing. Not everything is some wild ass conspiracy theory about some dude sipping Vodka trying to overthrow the US government. As the theory goes, three degrees of separation. Just cause someone knows a guy who knows Putin doesn't prove some wild ass conspiracy theory Edited March 22 by West Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: Do you want to know how I know that you know what you said is bullshit? You claimed it was an abuse of power while also complaining his campaign did it. Campaigns have no power. You know that. The only thing they did, was sell some internal polling to a Ukrainian with ties to Russia. Manafort was the sole arbiter of that deal. The campaign didn't know. You are not tracking this conversation well. West claimed, nonsensically, that a republican-led Senate committee was trying to "cover their own asses from their vile attempt to overthrow a sitting president." Which, obviously the Republicans never tried to do. And I reminded him that not only did the Republicans not try to overthrow Trump, they voted against so evidence, not to convict him after he tried to extort Zelensky for campaign aid. Think that timeline for a minute and get back to us. Campaign collusion->First impeachment ->Senate intelligence report They didn't try to overthrow him, they saved him even when he was caught red handed. And the intelligence wasn't sold, it was shared--almost certainly with collaborators. Manafort also had Gates involved, if not others (not looking currently) but I find it pretty laughable to say that the campaign didn't know when Manafort was campaign chairman. How much more "campaign" does one get than "chairman"? And if we accept the premise that Trump didn't know, then Manafort betrayed him. -- How does Trump respond to the slightest slight, let alone betrayal? It's damn sure not a pardon. He saves those for those doing his bidding. Edited March 22 by Hodad Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hodad said: You are not tracking this conversation well. West claimed, nonsensically, that a republican-led Senate committee was trying to "cover their own asses from their vile attempt to overthrow a sitting president." Which, obviously the Republicans never tried to do. And I reminded him that not only did the Republicans not try to overthrow Trump, they voted against so evidence, not to convict him after he tried to extort Zelensky for campaign aid. Think that timeline for a minute and get back to us. Campaign collusion->First impeachment ->Senate intelligence report They didn't try to overthrow him, they saved him even when he was caught red handed. Man you need to shut off CNN. Don't you find it dishonest that they took a 5 second audio clip out of its context and then spun a narrative? Sort of like what the news media did to the covington kids. Also, I correctly pointed out that any "interference" Russia did in 2016 was probably more to do with Clinton meddling in Eastern European politics than a direct connection to the Trump campaign. Edited March 22 by West Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/5/16/key-takeaways-from-investigation-of-fbis-trump-russia-probe The Durham report concluded "the FBI at the very least was too hasty in opening its investigation of Trump, saying the department at the time lacked “actual evidence” – including any proof of contact between Trump campaign staff and Russian intelligence agents – and instead relied on “raw, unanalysed and uncorroborated intelligence”. "investigators repeatedly fell victim to “confirmation bias”," "FBI’s failure to corroborate a single substantive allegation from a dossier that purported to show raw research related to the Trump campaign’s alleged collusion with Russia, amid other misdeeds." So basically what I said. Someone knowing a guy who knows a Russian does not equal collusion Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 24 minutes ago, West said: Polling data can be used for alot of things including business marketing. Not everything is some wild ass conspiracy theory about some dude sipping Vodka trying to overthrow the US government. As the theory goes, three degrees of separation. Just cause someone knows a guy who knows Putin doesn't prove some wild ass conspiracy theory Sure, jackhole, data can be used for all kinds of things! It's just a magical coincidence that he clandestinely delivered the polling and strategy information to a "friend"--who just happened to deliver it to the same hostile foreign intelligence service that was waging a campaign interference operation to help Trump win. It's a small, silly old world sometimes. So many amaaaaaazing coincidences! Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, Hodad said: Sure, jackhole, data can be used for all kinds of things! It's just a magical coincidence that he clandestinely delivered the polling and strategy information to a "friend"--who just happened to deliver it to the same hostile foreign intelligence service that was waging a campaign interference operation to help Trump win. It's a small, silly old world sometimes. So many amaaaaaazing coincidences! Sorry but your post is not rooted in reality and what the Durham report refers to as "confirmation bias". Basically you have a theory and are trying to make the "evidence" fit said theory. Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 12 minutes ago, West said: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/5/16/key-takeaways-from-investigation-of-fbis-trump-russia-probe The Durham report concluded "the FBI at the very least was too hasty in opening its investigation of Trump, saying the department at the time lacked “actual evidence” – including any proof of contact between Trump campaign staff and Russian intelligence agents – and instead relied on “raw, unanalysed and uncorroborated intelligence”. "investigators repeatedly fell victim to “confirmation bias”," "FBI’s failure to corroborate a single substantive allegation from a dossier that purported to show raw research related to the Trump campaign’s alleged collusion with Russia, amid other misdeeds." So basically what I said. Someone knowing a guy who knows a Russian does not equal collusion WTF? The Durham report: A. Makes no judgement whatsoever on collusion. B. Even acknowledges that the investigation was justified. The weasely best it can do is say that the FBI should have started with a preliminary investigation before a full investigation. 🤣 Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Hodad said: WTF? The Durham report: A. Makes no judgement whatsoever on collusion. B. Even acknowledges that the investigation was justified. The weasely best it can do is say that the FBI should have started with a preliminary investigation before a full investigation. 🤣 The department lacked "actual evidence" to open an investigation. The investigation was opened based on political oppo research. But nah not political to the brainwashed leftists Why the f do you lie so much? Edited March 22 by West Quote
robosmith Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 3 hours ago, West said: He clearly doesn't understand how government works. Did you get ANY EVIDENCE from Luser which supported his CLAIMS? LMAO I understand how Trump's government works, and you're fool enough to believe every one is that CORRUPT. 🤮 Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 7 minutes ago, West said: Sorry but your post is not rooted in reality and what the Durham report refers to as "confirmation bias". Basically you have a theory and are trying to make the "evidence" fit said theory. Actually, everything I said there is an established fact. And the facts are damning enough on their own. We will never be able to prove Manafort's intent or how Russian intelligence used the data he gave them--unless they confess it. But it takes a very, VERY labored act of imagination to believe those facts are coincidental to one another rather than exactly what they appear to be. Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hodad said: Actually, everything I said there is an established fact. And the facts are damning enough on their own. We will never be able to prove Manafort's intent or how Russian intelligence used the data he gave them--unless they confess it. But it takes a very, VERY labored act of imagination to believe those facts are coincidental to one another rather than exactly what they appear to be. And that's the point. This was political oppo research paid by first a guy connected to the Bush campaign and later on carried out by the Clinton campaign. Basically their job is to find something and spin it so that their customer wins. That's why I take the "investigations" with a grain of salt. What is vile, though, is that the FBI decided to carry the cause and undermine an elected government for 4 years including swaying a midterm most likely Edited March 22 by West Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 16 minutes ago, West said: The department lacked "actual evidence" to open an investigation. The investigation was opened based on political oppo research. But nah not political to the brainwashed leftists Why the f do you lie so much? Jeebus. Directly from the Durham report: "Under the FBI's guidelines, the investigation could have been opened more appropriately as an assessment or preliminary investigation." The FBI uncovered exactly what they were afraid they would find. Durham's criticism is that they investigate too aggressively to uncover the collusion. Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, Hodad said: Jeebus. Directly from the Durham report: "Under the FBI's guidelines, the investigation could have been opened more appropriately as an assessment or preliminary investigation." The FBI uncovered exactly what they were afraid they would find. Durham's criticism is that they investigate too aggressively to uncover the collusion. This isn't true. 1 Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 12 minutes ago, West said: And that's the point. This was political oppo research paid by first a guy connected to the Bush campaign and later on carried out by the Clinton campaign. Basically their job is to find something and spin it so that their customer wins. That's why I take the "investigations" with a grain of salt. What is vile, though, is that the FBI decided to carry the cause and undermine an elected government for 4 years including swaying a midterm most likely Fark, dude, the investigation uncovered a US presidential campaign supplying intelligence to a Russian intelligence service that was actively running ops against the American people, and you're worried that part of the inspiration for the investigation was opposition research. That's the part that bothers you? Lol. If you were American, you'd definitely be a traitor. Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 1 minute ago, Hodad said: Fark, dude, the investigation uncovered a US presidential campaign supplying intelligence to a Russian intelligence service that was actively running ops against the American people, and you're worried that part of the inspiration for the investigation was opposition research. That's the part that bothers you? Lol. If you were American, you'd definitely be a traitor. I mean leftists tried shifting the goalposts afterwards but they made outlandish claims that were lies and then later relied on Manafort giving a business friend some polling data to save face. Durham already addressed your assertion in his report. Edited March 22 by West Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: We have a cure. His name is Donald J Trump. Putting your head up someone else's ass instead hardly seems like a cure. Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 Oh and forgot had to rely on some obscure paper work violation from the 1800s to bring charges. Again, vile Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, West said: I mean leftists tried shifting the goalposts afterwards but they made outlandish claims that were lies and then later relied on Manafort giving a business friend some polling data to save face. None of your decidedly lame deflections actually change the fact that all of it happened. You can whine all you like about the minutae of why the investigation started, but what they found is what they found. Facts are facts. Edited March 22 by Hodad Quote
West Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hodad said: None of your decidedly lame deflections actually change the fact that all of it happened. You can whine all you like about the minutae of why the investigation started, but what they found is what they found. Facts are facts. Right.. no charges laid to collusion with Russia. If giving polling data is the best you have it's pathetic. Especially cause we were promised indictments over it. But nothing because it was a Hillary delusion designed to save her sorry ass campaign Not to mention there's evidence that Trump Tower lady was in Steeles business orbit. Maybe an actual legitimate investigation into Steele would give accurate information on the situation Edited March 22 by West Quote
Hodad Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 8 minutes ago, West said: Right.. no charges laid to collusion with Russia. If giving polling data is the best you have it's pathetic. Especially cause we were promised indictments over it. But nothing because it was a Hillary delusion designed to save her sorry ass campaign Not to mention there's evidence that Trump Tower lady was in Steeles business orbit. Maybe an actual legitimate investigation into Steele would give accurate information on the situation Collusion is a fact, but it's not a crime unto itself. It's not chargeable. Manafort could have confirmed the criminal aspects, but was offered a pardon instead. Hmmmm... Quote
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