Deluge Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 16 hours ago, BeaverFever said: There are better EV alternatives than tesla and its lunatic founder Bullshit. You hate Musk so you're taking it out on his vehicles which have nothing to do with anything other than helping the environment which you scumbags claim to care about. You're a dizzy f*ck aren't ya. lol 2 Quote
robosmith Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 On 3/15/2025 at 10:21 AM, robosmith said: It's very simple: NEVER. Your vacuous responses are ALWAYS BANKRUPT. @Nationalist vacuous means EMPTY. AKA BANKRUPT. You're welcome. Quote
ironstone Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 The Trump administration is slowly getting rid of people that would turn the country into a sh*thole. More Than 250 Tren de Aragua Gang Members Deported to El Salvador Prison: Rubio But...a judge is trying to block these efforts. Judge Blocks Trump’s Efforts to Deport Gang Members Under 1798 Alien Enemies Act The ACLU and Democracy Forward filed a lawsuit challenging Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act to speed along deportations of Venezuelan nationals. One side is trying to deport these violent gang members..and the Democrats are fighting that initiative. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
BeaverFever Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 23 hours ago, Deluge said: Bullshit. You hate Musk so you're taking it out on his vehicles which have nothing to do with anything other than helping the environment which you scumbags claim to care about. You're a dizzy f*ck aren't ya. lol All sorts of car companies make EVs including here in Canada. Teslas are not made in Canada. Teslas are more expensive and harder to service and still have issues with build quality which they fully admit to. Ever ridden in one? I have. You can’t even adjust the air vent in front of you without navigating through settings on the touchscreen You can’t engage cruise control unless you also have your wipers set on auto and the wipers go off unnecessarily while driving on a humid day And the owner is a mentally unstable MAGA and a workplace tyrant who doesn’t deserve my money Hilariously, its you coal-rollin MAGAs who despised Tesla and all EVs until Elon pulled a Kanye and became a mentally unstable MAGA. Quote
BeaverFever Posted March 16 Author Report Posted March 16 On 3/15/2025 at 1:43 PM, User said: OK, what were the measurements before and what are they being rolled back to? When you can give me specifics, then we can talk. Because, the left pushes more and more absurd standards every chance they get, doesn't make it bad if they are rolled back to whatever reasonable standards were in place before. So you want me to recite the 31 pieces of legislation to you as if you could understand it even though you can’t and then you want me to explain all of the complex scientific research behind that legislation as if you could understand that even though you can’t And if I don’t do that then you claim it PROVES the non-partisan pollution protections implemented over decades of Republican and Democratic administrations is unnecessary Do I have that correct? “My air and water are too clean and aren’t toxic enough!” …Said nobody ever 1 Quote
ironstone Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: All sorts of car companies make EVs including here in Canada. Teslas are not made in Canada. Teslas are more expensive and harder to service and still have issues with build quality which they fully admit to. Ever ridden in one? I have. You can’t even adjust the air vent in front of you without navigating through settings on the touchscreen You can’t engage cruise control unless you also have your wipers set on auto and the wipers go off unnecessarily while driving on a humid day And the owner is a mentally unstable MAGA and a workplace tyrant who doesn’t deserve my money Hilariously, its you coal-rollin MAGAs who despised Tesla and all EVs until Elon pulled a Kanye and became a mentally unstable MAGA. Teslas were quite popular with progressives right up until the minute when Elon Musk aligned himself with Trump. Now they are destroying them at dealerships, never mind the waste and environmental damage that does. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
robosmith Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 24 minutes ago, ironstone said: The Trump administration is slowly getting rid of people that would turn the country into a sh*thole. More Than 250 Tren de Aragua Gang Members Deported to El Salvador Prison: Rubio But...a judge is trying to block these efforts. Judge Blocks Trump’s Efforts to Deport Gang Members Under 1798 Alien Enemies Act The ACLU and Democracy Forward filed a lawsuit challenging Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act to speed along deportations of Venezuelan nationals. One side is trying to deport these violent gang members..and the Democrats are fighting that initiative. Because it is unconstitutional, they are fighting it IN COURT. You OTOH, are cheering the use of a law which is widely considered to be a stain on America, and used to put Japanese CITIZENS in concentration camps solely due to their ETHNICITY. 🤮 Even Reagan backed reparations for that LAW'S VICTIMS. Quote
robosmith Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 5 minutes ago, ironstone said: Teslas were quite popular with progressives right up until the minute when Elon Musk aligned himself with Trump. Now they are destroying them at dealerships, never mind the waste and environmental damage that does. You mean YOU APPROVE of Muskrat BUYING Trump's election with his $280M bribe campaign contribution? No one on the left likes the Citizens' United decision in which the SCOTUS claimed that money has human rights. Quote
ironstone Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, robosmith said: You OTOH, are cheering the use of a law which is widely considered to be a stain on America, and used to put Japanese CITIZENS in concentration camps solely due to their ETHNICITY. 🤮 It was a terrible thing to do, but it was a Democrat administration that did it. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
robosmith Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 1 minute ago, ironstone said: It was a terrible thing to do, but it was a Democrat administration that did it. So what? War was a far more terrible thing, and politics during existential war is CRAZY. We're NOT AT WAR NOW. Duh Quote
User Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 1 hour ago, BeaverFever said: So you want me to recite the 31 pieces of legislation to you as if you could understand it even though you can’t and then you want me to explain all of the complex scientific research behind that legislation as if you could understand that even though you can’t And if I don’t do that then you claim it PROVES the non-partisan pollution protections implemented over decades of Republican and Democratic administrations is unnecessary Do I have that correct? “My air and water are too clean and aren’t toxic enough!” …Said nobody ever How about your top 3? Quote
BeaverFever Posted March 17 Author Report Posted March 17 (edited) 4 hours ago, User said: How about your top 3? So like you want me to cite the scientific evidence that mercury poisoning and breathing in coal soot is bad for human health? Otherwise you’ll claim without evidence that the nonpartisan scientific consensus that’s stood for decades is fraudulent? Note that nobody in the Trump administration even bothered to challenge the science behind most of these regulations which have stood for decades, they simply stated that they interfere with business But here is one for you that you should be able to follow America’s clean air rules boost health and the economy − here’s what EPA’s new deregulation plans ignore …What Zeldin didn’t say is that the economic and health benefits from decades of federal clean air regulations have far outweighed their costs. Some estimates suggest every $1 spent meeting clean air rules has returned $10 in health and economic benefits. How far America has come, because of regulations In the early 1970s, thick smog blanketed American cities and acid rain stripped forests bare from the Northeast to the Midwest. Air pollution wasn’t just a nuisance – it was a public health emergency. But in the decades since, the United States has engineered one of the most successful environmental turnarounds in history. Thanks to stronger air quality regulations, pollution levels have plummeted, preventing hundreds of thousands of deaths annually. And despite early predictions that these regulations would cripple the economy, the opposite has proven true: The U.S. economy more than doubled in size while pollution fell, showing that clean air and economic growth can – and do – go hand in hand. The numbers are eye-popping. An Environmental Protection Agency analysis of the first 20 years of the Clean Air Act, from 1970 to 1990, found the economic benefits of the regulations were about 42 times greater than the costs. The EPA later estimated that the cost of air quality regulations in the U.S. would be about US$65 billion in 2020, and the benefits, primarily in improved health and increased worker productivity, would be around $2 trillion. Other studies have found similar benefits. That’s a return of more than 30 to 1, making clean air one of the best investments the country has ever made. Science-based regulations even the playing field The turning point came with the passage of the Clean Air Act of 1970, which put in place strict rules on pollutants from industry, vehicles and power plants. These rules targeted key culprits: lead, ozone, sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides and particulate matter – substances that contribute to asthma, heart disease and premature deaths. An example was the removal of lead, which can harm the brain and other organs, from gasoline. That single change resulted in far lower levels of leadin people’s blood, including a 70% drop in U.S. children’s blood-lead levels. Air Quality regulations lowered the amount of lead being used in gasoline, which also resulted in rapidly declining lead concentrations in the average American between 1976-1980. This shows us how effective regulations can be at reducing public health risks to people.USEPA/Environmental Criteria and Assessment Office (1986) The results have been extraordinary. Since 1980, emissions of six major air pollutants have dropped by 78%, even as the U.S. economy has more than doubled in size. Cities that were once notorious for their thick, choking smog – such as Los Angeles, Houston and Pittsburgh – now see far cleaner air, while lakes and forests devastated by acid rain in the Northeast have rebounded. Comparison of growth areas and declining emissions, 1970-2023.EPA And most importantly, lives have been saved. The Clean Air Act requires the EPA to periodically estimate the costs and benefits of air quality regulations. In the most recent estimate, released in 2011, the EPA projected that air quality improvements would prevent over 230,000 premature deaths in 2020. That means fewer heart attacks, fewer emergency room visits for asthma, and more years of healthy life for millions of Americans. The economic payoff Critics of air quality regulations have long arguedthat the regulations are too expensive for businesses and consumers. But the data tells a very different story. EPA studies have confirmed that clean air regulations improve air quality over time. Other studies have shown that the health benefits greatly outweigh the costs. That pays off for the economy. Fewer illnesses mean lower health care costs, and healthier workers mean higher productivity and fewer missed workdays. The EPA estimated that for every $1 spent on meeting air quality regulations, the United States received $9 in benefits. A separate study by the non-partisan National Bureau of Economic Research in 2024 estimated that each $1 spent on air pollution regulation brought the U.S. economy at least $10 in benefits. And when considering the long-term impact on human health and climate stability, the return is even greater.… https://theconversation.com/americas-clean-air-rules-boost-health-and-the-economy-heres-what-epas-new-deregulation-plans-ignore-251203 Edited March 17 by BeaverFever 2 Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: So like you want me to cite the scientific evidence that mercury poisoning and breathing in coal soot is bad for human health? Otherwise you’ll claim without evidence that the nonpartisan scientific consensus that’s stood for decades is fraudulent? No, I want you to cite specifically the 3 rule changes you are talking about, exactly what they are changing and to what period of time those changes are rolling back to that has you so concerned and why are you so concerned. Quote
eyeball Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 7 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Hilariously, its you coal-rollin MAGAs who despised Tesla and all EVs until Elon pulled a Kanye and became a mentally unstable MAGA. MAGA leftist are a puzzling bunch alright. Like Bill Maher's guest last night Batya Ungar-Sargon. The things she believes Trump stands for would get you labelled as capitalist-hating Islamofascist commie around these parts just up until a few years ago. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Deluge Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 20 hours ago, BeaverFever said: All sorts of car companies make EVs including here in Canada. Teslas are not made in Canada. Teslas are more expensive and harder to service and still have issues with build quality which they fully admit to. Ever ridden in one? I have. You can’t even adjust the air vent in front of you without navigating through settings on the touchscreen You can’t engage cruise control unless you also have your wipers set on auto and the wipers go off unnecessarily while driving on a humid day And the owner is a mentally unstable MAGA and a workplace tyrant who doesn’t deserve my money Hilariously, its you coal-rollin MAGAs who despised Tesla and all EVs until Elon pulled a Kanye and became a mentally unstable MAGA. This isn't about efficiency issues. This is about your hate fixation on Musk and how you want to take your frustrations out on his EV's. If Musk were in your stupid assed moonbat camp, you'd be defending his EV's. Woke dumbf*ck thinking: EV's = good. Tesla EV's = bad because Musk isn't part of your cult. 1 Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 16 minutes ago, Deluge said: Tesla EV's = bad because Musk isn't part of your cult. Forget his bad opinions on the subject, the fact that Democrats, including the Biden administration, went beyond that and actually excluded Tesla over politics shows you how awful they are. 2 Quote
Hodad Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 20 hours ago, ironstone said: The Trump administration is slowly getting rid of people that would turn the country into a sh*thole. More Than 250 Tren de Aragua Gang Members Deported to El Salvador Prison: Rubio But...a judge is trying to block these efforts. Judge Blocks Trump’s Efforts to Deport Gang Members Under 1798 Alien Enemies Act The ACLU and Democracy Forward filed a lawsuit challenging Trump’s invocation of the Alien Enemies Act to speed along deportations of Venezuelan nationals. One side is trying to deport these violent gang members..and the Democrats are fighting that initiative. Are we a nation of laws or a nation of executive fiat? Setting aside that this is an antiquated law that has an ignominious history, we're simply not at war. Invoking the Alien Enemies act is an abuse of power to try to work around immigration law rather than through the law or to change the law. The laws don't exist as a fig leaf for executive action, but rather as a curb against such power. They are meant to have meaning and must be respected to have meaning. Unfortunately, the voters of this country chose to elect a President who has no respect for the law whatsoever, and now the strength of the constitution will be tested--over and over again--as he tries to break through it. It doesn't matter what the aim of the executive action, or if people agree with it in principle, people should be invested in the law as an institution. And that's what those legal actions represent. 1 Quote
ironstone Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 35 minutes ago, Hodad said: Are we a nation of laws or a nation of executive fiat? Setting aside that this is an antiquated law that has an ignominious history, we're simply not at war. Invoking the Alien Enemies act is an abuse of power to try to work around immigration law rather than through the law or to change the law. The laws don't exist as a fig leaf for executive action, but rather as a curb against such power. They are meant to have meaning and must be respected to have meaning. Unfortunately, the voters of this country chose to elect a President who has no respect for the law whatsoever, and now the strength of the constitution will be tested--over and over again--as he tries to break through it. It doesn't matter what the aim of the executive action, or if people agree with it in principle, people should be invested in the law as an institution. And that's what those legal actions represent. Didn't these people break a law by entering the country illegally in the first place? Is it a nation of laws when Democrat run cities try to prevent ICE from apprehending illegal aliens? What is the issue here? Obama deported more people than Trump did in his first term. Is the issue of deportation different depending on who is doing it? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 57 minutes ago, Hodad said: Are we a nation of laws or a nation of executive fiat? Setting aside that this is an antiquated law that has an ignominious history, we're simply not at war. Invoking the Alien Enemies act is an abuse of power to try to work around immigration law rather than through the law or to change the law. The laws don't exist as a fig leaf for executive action, but rather as a curb against such power. They are meant to have meaning and must be respected to have meaning. Unfortunately, the voters of this country chose to elect a President who has no respect for the law whatsoever, and now the strength of the constitution will be tested--over and over again--as he tries to break through it. It doesn't matter what the aim of the executive action, or if people agree with it in principle, people should be invested in the law as an institution. And that's what those legal actions represent. How absurdly dishonest. We are only in this place now because the previous administration had no respect for immigration laws and allowed our country to be invaded. Funny, I don't remember you crying about that. In fact, were you not one of the people pushing the lie that if only Congress would pass the immigration law then he could do something? Biden simply didn't have the power to wipe out student debts either... but he did it anyhow. Obama didn't have the power to enact DACA... but he did it anyhow. Quote
Hodad Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 38 minutes ago, ironstone said: Didn't these people break a law by entering the country illegally in the first place? Is it a nation of laws when Democrat run cities try to prevent ICE from apprehending illegal aliens? What is the issue here? Obama deported more people than Trump did in his first term. Is the issue of deportation different depending on who is doing it? Serious question, do you really have no idea why sanctuary cities are sanctuary cities? Do you not understand that policy? It has nothing to do with wanting undocumented people. And they are not preventing ICE from doing anything, they simply have a policy of not helping. Quote
Nationalist Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 On 3/16/2025 at 1:30 PM, robosmith said: @Nationalist vacuous means EMPTY. AKA BANKRUPT. You're welcome. Like your head? Like your honour? Like your morality? Like your patriotism? OK...I get it... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ironstone Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 33 minutes ago, Hodad said: And they are not preventing ICE from doing anything, they simply have a policy of not helping. That's a unique way of aiding and abetting lol. I'm sure Tren de aragua members are eternally grateful to the sanctuary city(Democrat) mayors that are trying to keep them in the US. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Hodad Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 19 minutes ago, ironstone said: That's a unique way of aiding and abetting lol. I'm sure Tren de aragua members are eternally grateful to the sanctuary city(Democrat) mayors that are trying to keep them in the US. Again, you are just making shit up. Nobody is trying to keep undocumented criminals in the US -- well, except perhaps for the for-profit prison system. But the idea that mayors are doing anything of the sort is pure fantasy. I'm going to take this as a tacit admission that you have no idea why "sanctuary" cities and states exist. Go educate yourself on the facts. 1 Quote
Deluge Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 On 3/14/2025 at 8:57 AM, BeaverFever said: It will be interesting to see RFK Jr try to defend this, since he is outspoken about the effects of pollution on human health Trump officials decimate climate protections and consider axeing key greenhouse gas finding EPA takes aim at almost every major pollution rule in what environmentalists call act of ‘malice toward the planet’ …The stunning broadside of actions against pollution rules could, if upheld by the courts, reshape Americans’ environment in ways not seen since major legislation was passed in the 1970s to end an era of smoggy skies and burning rivers that became the norm following American industrialization. Pollutants from power plants, highways and industry cause a range of heart, lung and other health problems, with greenhouse gases among this pollution driving up the global temperature and fueling catastrophic heatwaves, floods, stormsand other impacts. “Zeldin’s EPA is dragging America back to the days before the Clean Air Act, when people were dying from pollution,” said Dominique Browning, director of the Moms Clean Air Force. “This is unacceptable. And shameful. We will oppose with all our hearts to protect our children from this cruel, monstrous action.” … https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/mar/12/epa-trump-climate-rules The Earth will be OK, moonbat. The woke stain is what's the biggest threat to humanity. Quote
User Posted March 17 Report Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Hodad said: Serious question, do you really have no idea why sanctuary cities are sanctuary cities? Do you not understand that policy? It has nothing to do with wanting undocumented people. And they are not preventing ICE from doing anything, they simply have a policy of not helping. What a bunch of twisted logic this is. Its like arguing you did not help a guy rape a girl because you just stood there and watched. Sure, if you really think that somehow makes what you are doing OK any better. Just the other day, ICE agents had to risk themselves chasing down a suspected gang member who was a known violent person that Denver just let go... this is the madness and lawlessness you support. Quote
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