Iceni warrior Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 The ball is now in Russia's court. How will Putin respond? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/ukraine-agrees-to-30-day-ceasefire-as-us-prepares-to-lift-military-aid-restrictions Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: The ball is now in Russia's court. How will Putin respond? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/ukraine-agrees-to-30-day-ceasefire-as-us-prepares-to-lift-military-aid-restrictions the Russians aren't agreeing to a ceasefire while the Ukrainians are holding territory in Kursk, if the Ukrainians are pulling out of Kursk as part of the deal ; maybe 1 Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 11 Author Report Posted March 11 24 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the Russians aren't agreeing to a ceasefire while the Ukrainians are holding territory in Kursk, if the Ukrainians are pulling out of Kursk as part of the deal ; maybe They have been losing ground in Kursk. I'd have thought their main demand would be no NATO troops in Ukraine. Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 More likely is that Trump blows it up again by saying a bunch of stupid shit. Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 11 Author Report Posted March 11 There's not actually anything to blow up at the moment. It takes two to ceasefire. Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 1 minute ago, Iceni warrior said: There's not actually anything to blow up at the moment. It takes two to ceasefire. I mean, I don’t even think it will make it to Putin’s desk without Trump destroying the proposal first. The question will be if Rubio has any principles remaining once it happens. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: They have been losing ground in Kursk. I'd have thought their main demand would be no NATO troops in Ukraine. this would only be a 30 day ceasefire, which is hardly binding Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 11 Author Report Posted March 11 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: this would only be a 30 day ceasefire, which is hardly binding No Nobel Peace Prize for Trump yet. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 11 Report Posted March 11 16 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: No Nobel Peace Prize for Trump yet. 1 Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 12 Author Report Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: It was a shame how he carried on. If Putin is Rasputin then Trump is Ma Baker. Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 12 Author Report Posted March 12 They left a trail of crime across the USA. Quote
xul Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 (edited) Putin will accept the ceasefire once Rubio submits the proposal to him. By the way, Putin will ask Rubio to travel to Russia by a ship since US aircrafts are currently banned entering Russian aerospace. So Russian generals will have plenty of time to accomplish their Operation Kursk..LOL Edited March 12 by xul Quote
ironstone Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: More likely is that Trump blows it up again by saying a bunch of stupid shit. Trump was the only one that has been consistent in saying he wants this war to end. 1 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Scott75 Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 3 hours ago, Dougie93 said: They did an animated version of that song that I thought was kind of funny, can be seen here: Honestly, I think it'd have been better to have Biden in it, but I know it's a song of the Russians, so I guess it wouldn't make sense to have him in there. Quote
Scott75 Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 (edited) 4 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: The ball is now in Russia's court. How will Putin respond? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/ukraine-agrees-to-30-day-ceasefire-as-us-prepares-to-lift-military-aid-restrictions I'm curious myself. I know that he's said in the past that he's not interested in a temporary ceasefire, but rather a lasting peace. Considering how Russia just took back a big chunk of Kursk in the last 2 days, I think that'd give even less of an incentive to agree to a ceasefire right now. Some articles from Russia's RT publication published today: Kiev planned ‘barbaric attack’ on Russian civilians to coincide with ceasefire talks – Moscow | RT Russia ‘easier to deal with’ than Ukraine – Trump | RT Edited March 12 by Scott75 Added information Quote
Scott75 Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 5 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: The ball is now in Russia's court. How will Putin respond? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/ukraine-agrees-to-30-day-ceasefire-as-us-prepares-to-lift-military-aid-restrictions Just skimmed through an article from a substacker I've come to admire who goes by the name Simplicius, I think it's well worth a look: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/us-and-ukraine-hatch-ceasefire-travesty My favourite quote from it so far: ** What else is clear is that the ceasefire was so “rapidly” and suddenly hammered out just as Zelensky’s last trump card fell away, with Kursk being all but buttoned-up at this point. Russians With Attitude reminds us: Short history of Ukrainian peace negotiations: Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers are killed in the Ilovaisk encirclement (2014) - "We're ready for peace! Let's negotiate!" (Minsk-1 is concluded and they break it immediately) Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers are killed in the Debaltsevo encirclement (2015) - "Stop the war! We want peace!" (Minsk-2 is concluded and they break it immediately, and afterwards openly state that they never even intended to honor it) Russian troops are outside Kiev (2022) - "We are ready for negotiations" (They sign a peace deal, then shoot their own negotiator in the head & break the peace immediately) The Ukrainian army suffers a collapse in Kursk oblast (2025) - ... guess what ** Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 Trump is sending some real estate guy to talk with Putin. That should go well. 😂 Quote
Scott75 Posted March 12 Report Posted March 12 7 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Trump is sending some real estate guy to talk with Putin. That should go well. 😂 I suspect it may indeed, for Trump and his people, that is. I definitely think that ending the war in Ukraine is in the best interests not just of Russia and the U.S., but Ukraine and Europe as well. That being said, I harbor no illusions that Trump won't try to get the most out of any peace, at the expense of anyone who isn't on his team. I was just reading an article on Trump's actions, written about a month ago by a generally left wing author that I trust. It can be seen here: https://scheerpost.com/2025/02/18/chris-hedges-the-purge-of-the-deep-state-and-the-road-to-dictatorship/ I'll just quote the parts where he mentions Ukraine: ** We are repeating the steps that led to the consolidation of power by past dictatorships, albeit with our own idiom and idiosyncrasies. Those naively lauding Trump’s hostility towards the deep state — which I concede did tremendous damage to democratic institutions, eviscerated our most cherished liberties, is an unaccountable state within a state and orchestrated a series of disastrous global interventions, including the recent military fiascos in the Middle East and Ukraine — should look closely at what is being proposed to take its place. [snip] The cuts to federal agencies will do little to curb the rapacious spending by the federal government if the military budget — Congressional Republicans are calling for at least $100 billion in additional military spending during the next decade — remains sacrosanct. And while Trump wants to end the war in Ukraine, part of his effort to build an alliance with the autocrat in Moscow he admires, he backs the genocide in Gaza. The purge is about gutting oversight and protections. It is about circumventing thousands of statutes that set the rules for government operations. It is about filling federal positions with “loyalists” from a database compiled by the Conservative Partnership Institute. It is about enriching private corporations — including several owned by Musk — that will be handed lucrative government contracts. ** Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 12 Author Report Posted March 12 7 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Trump is sending some real estate guy to talk with Putin. That should go well. 😂 A Trump Tower in Sevastopol? 1 Quote
August1991 Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 23 hours ago, xul said: Putin will accept the ceasefire once Rubio submits the proposal to him. By the way, Putin will ask Rubio to travel to Russia by a ship since US aircrafts are currently banned entering Russian aerospace. So Russian generals will have plenty of time to accomplish their Operation Kursk..LOL By ship? Quote
August1991 Posted March 13 Report Posted March 13 On 3/11/2025 at 6:51 PM, Iceni warrior said: ... How will Putin respond? .... For several years -since 2022, the US MSM narrative- has been entirely wrong about this war. Narrative? Wrong? In America - it's White Hat, Black Hat. "Gay/trans good, Russian/Chinese bad." Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 13 Author Report Posted March 13 6 minutes ago, August1991 said: For several years -since 2022, the US MSM narrative- has been entirely wrong about this war. Narrative? Wrong? In America - it's White Hat, Black Hat. "Gay/trans good, Russian/Chinese bad." You're obsessed. Are you in the closet? This thread is about the ceasefire in Ukraine, gay or trans rights have FA to do with it. 1 Quote
xul Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 (edited) Trump said "A group of Ukrainian soldiers are actually surrounded." After Trump appeal, Putin says he will spare Ukrainians in Kursk if they surrender Quote Ukraine denied its men were encircled, describing that as a Russian fabrication, but President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called the situation "very difficult." Quote Putin, addressing his Security Council, said he had read Trump's appeal. While accusing Ukrainian troops of carrying out crimes against civilians that he said amounted to "terrorism" — something Kyiv denies — Putin said he understood the call by Trump to take humanitarian considerations into account. "In this regard, I would like to emphasize that if [the Ukrainian troops] lay down their arms and surrender, they will be guaranteed life and decent treatment in accordance with international law and the laws of the Russian Federation," Putin said. Though these claims are contradictory, my guess is that Zelenskyy's description is more accurate. The Ukrainian troops has not been completely encircled yet, but their logistics supply lines have been completely within the range of Russian artillery so they are virtually encircled. Edited March 15 by xul Quote
August1991 Posted March 15 Report Posted March 15 On 3/12/2025 at 8:29 PM, Iceni warrior said: You're obsessed. Are you in the closet? This thread is about the ceasefire in Ukraine, gay or trans rights have FA to do with it. Disagree. ==== Why the obsession with Russia? China? I am Franco-Canadian, straight. Let's get along. Quote
Gaétan Posted March 16 Report Posted March 16 There is nothing for the Russians to exploit in Europe except cash cows and coal, so if they attack Europe it will not be for their property but because they want to protect their own. European leaders want to invest in armaments, not to protect what is of no interest to the Russians, but simply to receive bribes from the arms industry. Quote
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