eyeball Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: One thing that Peterson actually brought to my attention was the fact that rising energy costs affect the poorest people disproportionately. Wow, you're so woke. 22 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: When the Carney's climate taxes force energy prices up, an extra $20 for a tank of gas and an extra $200/mo on the heating bill doesn't affect a person who's mortgage-free with two rental properties, and has over ten thousand a month in expendable income, but lower-income families going through 4 or 5 tanks of gas a month getting to and from work and getting their kids to and from school, etc, will be paying an extra $300/mo, and that is coming out of their expendable income. By the time you make a mtg/rent payment, pay your income tax, buy groceries, pay car and home ins, pay phone/electricity/gas/cable bills, make 1 or 2 car payments, student loans, pay for clothes, kids' sports, maybe get the occasional bike, etc, etc, $300 is a lot. This is why axing the carbon tax is a dumb idea you see, it paid rebates to the lowest income people and.... Oh what's the point...go back to sleep. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 10 hours ago, ironstone said: As usual, the West has to carry the burden. The Liberals are really pushing EV's which are still rather pricey...but last October they slap 100% tariffs on much more affordable Chinese EV's and steel and aluminum. Mixed signals? China leads the world in green energy. Both in terms of manufacturing the most solar panels and wind turbines but also in power produced by wind, solar and hydro. Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 10 hours ago, ironstone said: As usual, the West has to carry the burden. The Liberals are really pushing EV's which are still rather pricey...but last October they slap 100% tariffs on much more affordable Chinese EV's and steel and aluminum. Mixed signals? All in the push for perpetual growth. Capitalism is the enemy of climate change. Consumerism is the cause of global warming. Quote
blackbird Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Climate change is real, and caused by humans. If you can't acknowledge that, then you don't enjoy reality. If you can, then we might be able to have an intelligent conversation. So you're ok with continuing with the liberal policies of soft-on-crime. The continual catch and release of offenders. Some businesses are losing thousands of dollars a month or week because they are being hit openly by shoplifters who just walk in, grab thousands of dollars worth of goods, and walk out. They are often arrested and released right away by the courts. The Liberals have refused to change the laws to make the courts stop this insanity. Also it was the liberals who liberalized the drug laws laws that made hard drugs legal in B.C. The Liberals with their taxes, regulations and red tape have made business more unwelcome in Canada. Mass immigration has resulted in a housing crisis and middle class Canadians cannnot afford a home in cities across Canada. Thank the Liberals. But you don't care about ordinary Canadians as long as your climate change god is appeased. Quote
blackbird Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 16 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Consumerism is the cause of global warming. ??? Are you serious? You think a healthy economy is causing global warming? Quote
blackbird Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 25 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: China leads the world in green energy. China emits the highest percentage of greenhouse gases in the world. Location % of global total Fossil emissions (1,000,000 tons per year) % change from 2000 2023 2000 World 100% 39,023.94 25,725.44 +52% China 34.0% 13,259.64 3,666.95 +262% United States 12.0% 4,682.04 5,928.97 −21% India 7.6% 2,955.18 995.65 +197% European Union 6.4% 2,512.07 3,563.26 −30% Russia 5.3% 2,069.50 1,681.14 +23% Japan 2.4% 944.76 1,248.81 −24% Iran 2.0% 778.80 353.93 +120% International Shipping 1.8% 706.32 503.29 +40% Indonesia 1.7% 674.54 299.09 +126% Saudi Arabia 1.6% 622.91 265.24 +135% Germany 1.5% 582.95 871.74 −33% Canada 1.5% 575.01 543.04 +6% South Korea 1.5% 573.54 474.16 +21% 1 Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 10 minutes ago, blackbird said: ??? Are you serious? You think a healthy economy is causing global warming? Of course. The best possible thing for the climate would be a world wide depression. Companies shutting down production and closing. Wouldn't be the best thing for the world's population but perpetual growth is no more sustainable than perpetual motion. Quote
blackbird Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Capitalism is the enemy of climate change. Man cannot control the climate. It is foolishness to believe that man can stop climate change. The thinking that man can somehow control the climate is a result of man's total depravity and swollen ego. Man's depravity is taught in the King James Bible. Man tried once to build a tower to heaven but God stopped that. " 1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. {language: Heb. lip.} {speech: Heb. words} 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. {from…: or, eastward} 3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. {they said…: Heb. a man said to his neighbour} {burn…: Heb. burn them to a burning} 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. {Babel: that is, Confusion} " Genesis 11:1-9 King James Bible Edited March 10 by blackbird Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 8 minutes ago, blackbird said: China emits the highest percentage of greenhouse gases in the world. Location % of global total Fossil emissions (1,000,000 tons per year) % change from 2000 2023 2000 World 100% 39,023.94 25,725.44 +52% China 34.0% 13,259.64 3,666.95 +262% United States 12.0% 4,682.04 5,928.97 −21% India 7.6% 2,955.18 995.65 +197% European Union 6.4% 2,512.07 3,563.26 −30% Russia 5.3% 2,069.50 1,681.14 +23% Japan 2.4% 944.76 1,248.81 −24% Iran 2.0% 778.80 353.93 +120% International Shipping 1.8% 706.32 503.29 +40% Indonesia 1.7% 674.54 299.09 +126% Saudi Arabia 1.6% 622.91 265.24 +135% Germany 1.5% 582.95 871.74 −33% Canada 1.5% 575.01 543.04 +6% South Korea 1.5% 573.54 474.16 +21% Yes but a huge proportion of those greenhouse gas emissions are a result of manufacturing exports. If I cut down a tree to build a shed in your garden who is responsible for the tree being cut down? Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, blackbird said: Man cannot control the climate. It is foolishness to believe that man can stop climate change. The thinking that man can somehow control the climate is a result of man's total depravity and swollen ego. Man's depravity is taught in the King James Bible. Man tried once to build a tower to heaven but God stopped that. " 1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. {language: Heb. lip.} {speech: Heb. words} 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. {from…: or, eastward} 3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. {they said…: Heb. a man said to his neighbour} {burn…: Heb. burn them to a burning} 4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth. {Babel: that is, Confusion} " Genesis 11:1-9 King James Bible Man has changed the climate. That's how we got here. God was created by man to control the population. He doesn't actually exist. Quote
blackbird Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: God was created by man to control the population. He doesn't actually exist. "1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. {filthy: Heb. stinking} " Psalm 14:1-3 KJV You realize you are a lost sinner on the road to hell. There is certainly a God, a heaven and a hell. Read the King James Bible, starting with the New Testament, gospel of John. "1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. {again: or, from above} 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. {again: or, from above} 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit." John 3:1-8 KJV Quote
eyeball Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 15 minutes ago, blackbird said: Man cannot control the climate. That's right, where did you get the idea we could? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 16 minutes ago, blackbird said: China emits the highest percentage of greenhouse gases in the world. Location % of global total Fossil emissions (1,000,000 tons per year) % change from 2000 2023 2000 World 100% 39,023.94 25,725.44 +52% China 34.0% 13,259.64 3,666.95 +262% United States 12.0% 4,682.04 5,928.97 −21% India 7.6% 2,955.18 995.65 +197% European Union 6.4% 2,512.07 3,563.26 −30% Russia 5.3% 2,069.50 1,681.14 +23% Japan 2.4% 944.76 1,248.81 −24% Iran 2.0% 778.80 353.93 +120% International Shipping 1.8% 706.32 503.29 +40% Indonesia 1.7% 674.54 299.09 +126% Saudi Arabia 1.6% 622.91 265.24 +135% Germany 1.5% 582.95 871.74 −33% Canada 1.5% 575.01 543.04 +6% South Korea 1.5% 573.54 474.16 +21% Quote 31.6% China – 31.6% Global Manufacturing OutputIt is the top manufacturing country, with 31.6% of the total global manufacturing output. This is nearly $5 trillion of China's economic activities in 2023 https://www.safeguardglobal.com/resources/top-10-manufacturing-countries-in-the-world/#:~:text=China – 31.6% Global Manufacturing Output,-China has the&text=It is the top manufacturing,China's economic activities in 2023. According to Chat GPT between 40% and 45% of Chinese production is exported. It would be difficult to correlate the % of emissions to the % of exports (steel exports, for example, will produce a lot more CO2 than bamboo place mats) but you can almost halve China's emissions once you take exports into account.. Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 6 minutes ago, blackbird said: "1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. {filthy: Heb. stinking} " Psalm 14:1-3 KJV You realize you are a lost sinner on the road to hell. There is certainly a God, a heaven and a hell. Read the King James Bible, starting with the New Testament, gospel of John. "1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. {again: or, from above} 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. {again: or, from above} 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit." John 3:1-8 KJV Keep it in church preacher! This is a thread about climate change. Magical space fairies have no place in it. Quote
blackbird Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Keep it in church preacher! This is a thread about climate change. Magical space fairies have no place in it. This thread is about you repeating the Devil's lies, which needs to be corrected. The best way to answer the Devil's lies is with God's truth, the King James Bible. I have heard that old fake claim you make about space fairies. I am not talking about fairies. You have no idea what you are talking about. But what you believe does not nullify the truth. "1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. " Matthew 4:1-4 KJV Edited March 10 by blackbird Quote
CdnFox Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 hour ago, Iceni warrior said: China leads the world in green energy. Both in terms of manufacturing the most solar panels and wind turbines but also in power produced by wind, solar and hydro. China leads the world in Greenhouse gas emissions and greenhouse gas emission growth. So your comment is puerile. China has been expanding its greenhouse gas emissions by about the same amount of in Canada's entire production every year and a half or so. So china does not lead the world in green energy. Trying to leads the world in greenhouse gases. And as a percentage of their energy that is still the mainstay 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 This is begging for more inflation Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 30 minutes ago, blackbird said: This thread is about you repeating the Devil's lies, which needs to be corrected. The best way to answer the Devil's lies is with God's truth, the King James Bible. I have heard that old fake claim you make about space fairies. I am not talking about fairies. You have no idea what you are talking about. But what you believe does not nullify the truth. "1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. " Matthew 4:1-4 KJV Quote
CdnFox Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: This is begging for more inflation Or stagflation, which is just as bad. What we need is prosperity. And we need to be real about what we can and can't do. The liberals had 10 years to address climate change and they did nothing except take money away from people with a tax that had no benefit. It' s a little hard to swallow that they REALLY believe there's a "crisis' that needs "immediate action" when they did nothing for a decade where they had free reign. 1 Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
ironstone Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 2 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: All in the push for perpetual growth. Capitalism is the enemy of climate change. Consumerism is the cause of global warming. I'll probably regret asking this, but what non-capitalist country should we be emulating? Will we be living in huts? I assume travel will be a thing of the past, no planes or cars. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 Just now, ironstone said: I'll probably regret asking this, but what non-capitalist country should we be emulating? Will we be living in huts? I assume travel will be a thing of the past, no planes or cars. Eventually, one way or another. Either we voluntarily accept a declining standard of living for the sake of the climate or climate chaos will impose one on us anyway. Floods, wildfires, crop failures, hurricanes and storms. All bad for the economy. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 10 Author Report Posted March 10 16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Climate change is real, and caused by humans. If you can't acknowledge that, then you don't enjoy reality. If you can, then we might be able to have an intelligent conversation. What has that got to do with the topic here? 16 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: A large portion of China's emissions are Western emissions. The West has exported it's manufacturing and therefore it's emissions for the sake of the bottom line. To a degree, you're right. And the kind of policies Carney advocates - the same ones as exist in the UK - will continue to offshore our manufacturing. Despite our electricity grid being fairly clean and theirs very dirty, we will tax the hell out of heavy industries so they move from Canada to China - or Mexico - or India. And then men like Carney will puff out their chest and street and talk about how they've done such a good job in lowering carbon eissions. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 10 Author Report Posted March 10 2 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: China leads the world in green energy. It also leads the world in coal plants and carbon emissions. It pumps out more carbon than the entire developed world combined. Quote
I am Groot Posted March 10 Author Report Posted March 10 12 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said: Eventually, one way or another. Either we voluntarily accept a declining standard of living for the sake of the climate or climate chaos will impose one on us anyway. Floods, wildfires, crop failures, hurricanes and storms. All bad for the economy. As I recall, the UN predicted that climate change could cost Canada around 1% of GDP in 2100. Fighting climate change will cost more than that NOW. And will only grow worse as they increase the cost of energy. Quote
Iceni warrior Posted March 10 Report Posted March 10 5 minutes ago, I am Groot said: As I recall, the UN predicted that climate change could cost Canada around 1% of GDP in 2100. Fighting climate change will cost more than that NOW. And will only grow worse as they increase the cost of energy. Well, an ice free North pole may well be a good thing for the Canadian economy. A North-West passage between China and Europe. Won't be very good for polar bears or most of the world's capital cities sitting at near sea level. Quote
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