blackbird Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 Thank Trudeau and the Liberals, NDP for no new pipelines to ship oil and gas to the east coast and thank them for killing the Energy East pipeline and the Northern Gateway pipeline proposed projects. This left Canada in a much weaker position in the tariff war with Trump because it destroyed the possibility of selling oil and gas to many other countries. Carney is one of them and cannot be trusted. He want to carry on this useless war against the energy industry with hidden carbon taxes on industry that taxpayers will still have to pay for. " U.S. President Donald Trump’s 10 per cent tariff on Canadian energy should be a cause for celebration in Ottawa. After all, Trump is only finishing the job the Trudeau government started: systematically crippling the energy sector in pursuit of their net-zero dream. It’s hard to imagine Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault or his Liberal predecessors, Catherine McKenna and Jonathan Wilkinson, shedding a tear over this development. These are the same people who have spent years declaring oil and gas the great evil of our time. Now, the tariffs are here to speed up the decline of an industry they have worked tirelessly to strangle with regulations." Lucy Gay: Trump tariffs forced Liberals to face the true cost of net zero virtue signalling 2 Quote
herbie Posted March 6 Report Posted March 6 Drill baby, drill. Let those demons out of your head. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted March 6 Author Report Posted March 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, herbie said: Drill baby, drill. Let those demons out of your head. You need to wake up and get out of your dream world. I received a letter from Ana Poilievre asking for support. Her "husband, Pierre Poilievre, is ready to lead Conservatives to victory and implement his Canada First Plan, including a MASSIVE tax cut, scrapping Liberal anti-resource laws, greenlighting pipelines, rebuilding our military, and restoring the promise of our great country." This is something you should seriously support. "Please help to rescue our country from the failed globalist, borderless, post-national, and radical Liberal experiments that broke Canada." All the existing liberal MPs and cabinet members supported Trudeau's failed policies that left Canada in a wreck. Carney is no different than the rest of the liberals who did this to Canada. Please help us get out of this mess. Go to the Conservatives website now and give your support to help win the next election. Conservative Party of Canada Edited March 6 by blackbird 2 Quote
herbie Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 Oh do tell us his glorious plans, he sure can't. Nor can you beyond re-dreaming your 1950s visions. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) On 3/5/2025 at 7:11 PM, blackbird said: Thank Trudeau and the Liberals, NDP for no new pipelines to ship oil and gas to the east coast and thank them for killing the Energy East pipeline and the Northern Gateway pipeline proposed projects. ... Fact is that it is Quebec that killed the Energy East pipeline. And it was the First Nations that killed the Northern gateway pipeline. You pulling your conservative hat on has covered your eyes and ears LOL As you so profoundly said "You need to wake up and get out of your dream world." Edited March 7 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
WestCanMan Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 On 3/5/2025 at 4:11 PM, blackbird said: Thank Trudeau and the Liberals, NDP for no new pipelines to ship oil and gas to the east coast and thank them for killing the Energy East pipeline and the Northern Gateway pipeline proposed projects. The simple truth in your post has angered the bottom-of-the-barrel liars and weasels here. They have no reasonable defence of their lord and master's weak, shameful failure so they take potshots at you instead. 1 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) The leftists scurried away like rats. They don't like this thread and they want it to drift off the bottom of P1 and into obscurity, never to tarnish the image of their dear leader again. Edited March 7 by WestCanMan Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
impartialobserver Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 Correct me if I am wrong but it would seem as if there is plenty of open, uninhabited land in the northern parts of Canada for a pipeline. Looking at a map and drawing a straight line east of Fort McMurray, not a lot of cities or towns. Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) 22 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Correct me if I am wrong but it would seem as if there is plenty of open, uninhabited land in the northern parts of Canada for a pipeline. Looking at a map and drawing a straight line east of Fort McMurray, not a lot of cities or towns. The problem is that under Trudeau's new treaty laws, there are usually two sets of approvals needed for every native territory that the pipeline crosses: there's always a hereditary chief, and there's almost always (maybe always?) an elected chief. Every inch of land in Canada is claimed by one tribe or another, and if a pipeline crosses through even a small bit of a tribal territory, either chief of every tribe has 100% authority to veto it. So if the pipeline crosses 30 sets of land, there are 60 approvals needed. They all want guarantees of a certain number of workers, and they want royalties on everything that passes through their land ad infinitum. If an outside source doesn't want that pipeline built because it will compete with their own oil, for example the Saudis (they ship massive amounts of oil into Eastern Canada... the Trudeau family's gas stations in Quebec, going back generations, sell Saudi gas and oil), all they have to do is find 1 hereditary chief or elected chief who has gambling debts, or really wants a big fishing boat, and they can get the pipeline blocked. Edit: and all ^^that's^^ after the approval of the federal gov't (the Libs, NDP and Green Party all love to grandstand about global warming and the environment whenever they hear the word "fossil fuel", it's like the bleeding-heart commie Olympics), provinces and municipalities. Edited March 7 by WestCanMan 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
impartialobserver Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 1 minute ago, WestCanMan said: The problem is that under Trudeau's new treaty laws, there are usually two sets of approvals needed for every native territory that the pipeline crosses: there's always a hereditary chief, and there's almost always (maybe always?) an elected chief. Every inch of land in Canada is claimed by one tribe or another, and if a pipeline crosses through even a small bit of a tribal territory, either chief of every tribe has 100% authority to veto it. So if the pipeline crosses 30 sets of land, there are 60 approvals needed. They all want guarantees of a certain number of workers, and they want royalties on everything that passes through their land ad infinitum. If an outside source doesn't want that pipeline built because it will compete with their own oil, for example the Saudis (they ship massive amounts of oil into Eastern Canada... the Trudeau family's gas stations in Quebec, going back generations, sell Saudi gas and oil), all they have to do is find 1 hereditary chief or elected chief who has gambling debts, or really wants a big fishing boat, and they can get the pipeline blocked. Thanks for the detailed breakdown. I can see why this is a logistical mess. I can get why they want royalties and jobs. however, in the macro that is a lot of hoops to jump through. And if you promise 10 jobs to one area.. the other will say, why not 14 in our area (just an example for easy math). Hmm.. well maybe the Prime Minister that comes after Trudeau can change this in some way. 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 1 minute ago, impartialobserver said: Thanks for the detailed breakdown. I can see why this is a logistical mess. I can get why they want royalties and jobs. however, in the macro that is a lot of hoops to jump through. And if you promise 10 jobs to one area.. the other will say, why not 14 in our area (just an example for easy math). Hmm.. well maybe the Prime Minister that comes after Trudeau can change this in some way. Yup. It takes years to make all the appropriate safety promises (grease enough palms), and just recently there was a pipeline nixed with unanimous approval among 20 elected chiefs and 19/20 hereditary chiefs. There were also 3 or 4 projects that were approved in Alberta while Harper was PM, totalling roughly $120 Billion, which were all nixed within 4 months of Trudeau being elected. His speeches about things like "eventually phasing out the oil sands" were enough to create an environment so openly hostile to their future profitability that investors shied away. Canada is not a great place to do business. People don't talk about it much, but we even have inter-provincial tariffs in place to keep the products of our fellow Canadians at bay 😂 2 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
impartialobserver Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Yup. It takes years to make all the appropriate safety promises (grease enough palms), and just recently there was a pipeline nixed with unanimous approval among 20 elected chiefs and 19/20 hereditary chiefs. There were also 3 or 4 projects that were approved in Alberta while Harper was PM, totalling roughly $120 Billion, which were all nixed within 4 months of Trudeau being elected. His speeches about things like "eventually phasing out the oil sands" were enough to create an environment so openly hostile to their future profitability that investors shied away. Canada is not a great place to do business. People don't talk about it much, but we even have inter-provincial tariffs in place to keep the products of our fellow Canadians at bay 😂 I understand wanting to diversify one's economy. Nevada has been trying to move away from gambling and tourism. However, why not milk it (the oil sands) for all it is worth. If the pipeline was going through a bunch of cities.. I understand why someone would be hesitant but that is not the case. Well, I wish Canada the best on this and hopefully the next PM can remove these unnecessary obstacles. 1 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) 22 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: Nevada has been trying to move away from gambling and tourism. No way! Vegas is the shimmering beacon of freedom (& relative safety) on this entire hemisphere. We need more Vegas, not less lol. What else does Nevada have, aside from enough sand to cover the earth in glass? Can you even add agriculture there, or will California nuke you guys if you use too much water? Edited March 7 by WestCanMan 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
PIK Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 Let's not forget Carney tell the West we need pipelines, but go to Quebec and say the opposite in French. Carney and his wifes passion is CC. And will spend every penny trying to tell mother nature what to do. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
impartialobserver Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) 19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: No way! Vegas is the shimmering beacon of freedom (& relative safety) on this entire hemisphere. We need more Vegas, not less lol. What else does Nevada have, aside from enough sand to cover the earth in glass? Can you even add agriculture there, or will California nuke you guys if you use too much water? The reason for this wanting to diversify is due to volatility. Every time there is a local or national economic downturn, Nevada leads the way in layoffs, job losses, and unemployment rates. Its an effort to have an economy that is more stable and predictable. For example.. the Covid recession Nevada had an unemployment rate of 30.5 percent in April 2020. No other state exceeded 14 percent. Besides gambling and tourism, the state has considerable mining activity (gold, copper, and lithium). This mostly occurs in the northeastern part of the state (on the way to Utah). We have Tesla east of Reno but that is due to having no state income tax and the higher ups at Tesla being fan of Burning Man. as for agriculture, that is a bit more complex. The reason for there being so little agriculture is the following 1. Alkaline soil 2. Lack of rainfall 3. Not a lot of actual soil.. you can hit bed rock in as little as six inches 4. Water rights (legally and rightfully obtained) owned by ranchers who will never give these up. 5. The inevitable and untimely May frost. Temps will be fine from april to mid-may and then we have the inevitable low of 22 in mid to late may. This is why there is no large scale fruit production. 6. Yes, California plays into it. Most of the rivers in Northern Nevada start in CA (Walker, Truckee, and Carson). the ranchers on the CA side often feel threatened and so take their full allotment even when it is very clear that they do not need it. Edited March 7 by impartialobserver 1 Quote
herbie Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 You want the truth? You can't handle the truth. The people of Canada made the pipeline 'problem' not the Liberals and the NDP. They were not thinking of a need years ago. They bought into privatization myth after that and allowed the Crown Corp that could've done such things to be chooped up and sold off, bought the free market lock stock and barrel. Then THEY opposed Enbridge and their elected officials in the east opposed ones there on their behalf. Then the free market decided they weren't cost effective. And your much hated Justin had to finish the one they'd abandoned. And YOU complained he used public money to do that. So now you're shitting your pants that the free market won't and you want the govt to do it for them, ensure their profits with your tax money ? I mean why not, eh? Your tax dollars paid for most of the fibre optic lines for Telus, Bell and Rogers (even under Harper) to guarantee their profit gouging. Quote
WestCanMan Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, herbie said: You want the truth? You can't handle the truth. The people of Canada made the pipeline 'problem' not the Liberals and the NDP. The "people of Canada" you're referring to are sheeple who are always buying whatever Trudeau and his MSM minions are selling. Quote They were not thinking of a need years ago. Foresight is the main quality you need in leaders, and their lack of it always costs us dearly. Wars on domestic energy, money wasted on green energy fails, printing so much currency that the dollar is devalued, flying covid in from China and then closing public parks so that Canadians are forced to congregate indoors, etc. Quote They bought into privatization myth after that and allowed the Crown Corp that could've done such things to be chooped up and sold off, bought the free market lock stock and barrel. OMG, crown corp is synonymous with cash for crap. There's no such thing as a crown corp that can do things better than capitalists. Look at what SpaceX can do compared to NASA, and theoretically NASA put people on the moon 35 years before Spacex was founded. Quote Then the free market decided they weren't cost effective. And your much hated Justin had to finish the one they'd abandoned. And YOU complained he used public money to do that. The cost effectiveness of energy projects only became an issue when the federal gov't became publicly hostile to the energy sector. The initial outlay of money is always projected to pay off over years and decades of profitability, and when the gov't says "We're gonna cancel all of that sh1t at some point", how are investors supposed to do that? How do you make money off of a pipeline with no oil in it? Can you turn it into an amusement park ride, and shoot kids from Fort McMurray to the United States underground? Can we sell them to Hamas, so that they can come live in them, like they did back in the old country? I just wanna know what you think people can do with oil-free pipelines... Edited March 7 by WestCanMan Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Nationalist Posted March 7 Report Posted March 7 My problem with the way the pipelines were killed, is that Pixie-Dust should have annexed the land, sent the military to guard and clear the way, and made it happen. But he waffled...as usual... Brave Sir Pixie-Dust saw the truckers coming and ran away to Mommy's place... Then he has Freeland anounce his retaliation to the big bad truckers. Pfft... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
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