Russia's asset or not: find one difference

[robosmith]

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'll give you part marks for saying something that's true, even though it doesn't apply to this situation.

It certainly does apply to the INVASION BY RUSSIA. Thanks for confirming you're Putin's puppet.

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Not necessarily. Who said that the US and Britain will let Ukraine end the war? 

Did they send you a private memo? Do their assurances even mean anything? 

LOGIC dictates that Ukraine will not continue a war they had no interest in ever starting.

[robosmith]

18 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Technically that's not 'drivelling', it's paraphrasing your drivel. 

Eg, when you post quotes from your gods at CNN, I don't accuse you of 'drivelling', because what you're doing is just being credulous, gullible, naive, clueless, hapless, etc, etc. I call your opinions drivel. See the difference? 

I rarely or ever quote CNN, because you're OBSESSED with denying their credibility and there are PLENTY of SOURCES which CORROBORATE them.

Of course YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE that CNN has fired reporters and managers for not adhering to their JOURNALISTIC STANDARDS of ETHICS, unlike FOS LIES which only fires people for sexual harassment. LMAO

Edited March 9 by robosmith

[myata]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

To be fair, that's kinda like taking a poll at a Trump rally lol.

An asylum more like it.

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

It certainly does apply to the INVASION BY RUSSIA. Thanks for confirming you're Putin's puppet.

LOGIC dictates that Ukraine will not continue a war they had no interest in ever starting.

Stop using the word "logic" when your opinions are all based on a steaming pile of CNN propaganda and you're immune to facts. 

By your "logic", women's world records in weighlifting and javelin would be on par with men's. Trans people could create offspring. Pakistan and Afghanistan would be more religiously tolerant than Canada. 

CNN propaganda hits your cranial sewer like a laser engraver, and then facts just skim across the turd-rich waters and exit through your ears.

[Barquentine]

56 minutes ago, User said:

Next time, if you are going to attribute a quote to someone as if they actually said it, be more honest to include that it was claimed he said it. There is a huge difference. 

 

Little Donny, too.

 From Business Insider:
"In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Donald Trump Jr. said at a New York real-estate conference that year. "Say, in Dubai, and certainly with our project in SoHo, and anywhere in New York. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia."

From Foreign Policy Magazine"
According to Trump’s former real-estate partner and other sources who are familiar with the internal workings of the Trump Organization, his post-’90s revival may have really begun in the early 2000s with the Bayrock Group, which rented offices two floors down from Trump’s in Trump Tower. Bayrock was run by two investors who would help to change Trump’s trajectory: Tevfik Arif, a Kazakhstan-born former Soviet official who drew on seemingly bottomless sources of money from the former Soviet republic; and Felix Sater, a Russian-born businessman who had pleaded guilty in the 1990s to a huge stock-fraud scheme involving the Russian mafia.

[User]

6 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Little Donny, too.

Little Donny, too... what?

It helps if you make a point, or own up to what you did with the quote from before. 

[robosmith]

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop using the word "logic" when your opinions are all based on a steaming pile of CNN propaganda and you're immune to facts. 

^LYING AGAIN. You obviously have no idea what my sources are. Do you ever see me quoting CNN as a source here?

Maybe once in a blue moon on the rare instance where I can't find one of the many corroborating sources.

15 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

By your "logic", women's world records in weighlifting and javelin would be on par with men's. Trans people could create offspring. Pakistan and Afghanistan would be more religiously tolerant than Canada. 

CNN propaganda hits your cranial sewer like a laser engraver, and then facts just skim across the turd-rich waters and exit through your ears.

^DRIVEL LMAO 

 

[Barquentine]

6 minutes ago, User said:

Little Donny, too... what?

He bragged about it too! Can't you read? Sorry, I'll talk slower and louder for you and just use little words from now on.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

He bragged about it too! Can't you read? Sorry, I'll talk slower and louder for you and just use little words from now on.

Bragged about "it" what?

You are taking a quote from 2008 and conflating it with something that was allegedly said in 2014. 

The point remains the same here, you tried to attribute something to someone that is contested without revealing that little tid bit of information. 

[WestCanMan]

40 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

From Foreign Policy Magazine"
According to Trump’s former real-estate partner and other sources who are familiar with the internal workings of the Trump Organization, his post-’90s revival may have really begun in the early 2000s with the Bayrock Group, which rented offices two floors down from Trump’s in Trump Tower. Bayrock was run by two investors who would help to change Trump’s trajectory: Tevfik Arif, a Kazakhstan-born former Soviet official who drew on seemingly bottomless sources of money from the former Soviet republic; and Felix Sater, a Russian-born businessman who had pleaded guilty in the 1990s to a huge stock-fraud scheme involving the Russian mafia.

Ok, here's the deal. I want you to consider the validity of information based on its sources here:

1. "Foreign policy magazine (who the f are they?) says that Trump's foreign real-estate partner (unnamed) and other sources familiar with the internal workings of the Trump Organization (who are also unnamed) say that his post-'90s revival "may really have begun"... 
2. Here's a video of Joe Biden saying that he unilaterally got the top prosecutor in Ukraine fired, and that he appointed the next one... Here's a video of his business partners... Here's an article from the Kyiv Post saying that the prosecutor that Biden fired had won court orders to seize Zlochevsky's assets... 

Leftards jump on format 1 with both feet. "OMG, LOOK! THIS IS A TREASURE TROVE OF FACTS!"

Leftards look on format 2 with complete contempt. There's simply no discussing it. That DID NOT happen. End of story.

 

Do you see why conservatives don't take you seriously? The things that you consider facts and the things that you consider unsubstantiated are all drawn along partisan lines for you people. 

 

 

If I took an article about a politician who you'd never heard of, and merely swapped the party name and all references to his political affiliations to the opposite party, you'd make your assumption of guilt or innocence completely based his political leanings and you'd totally disregard the level of proof in the article. 100%.

If the article was about a conservative, he's guilty instantly, regardless of whether or not the sources of baseless accusations were even named, and there was just a general area named, and the year could only be guessed at.

If he's a liberal, and there is a video confession along with supporting evidence from archived newspapers and he's caught on video blatantly lying about the whole affair and there are highly valuable witnesses making claims on video, he's still innocent and you won't even engage in discussion about the possibility of his guilt. 

I don't value your opinion at all, buddy. What you cited there was TOTAL GARBAGE.

Edited March 9 by WestCanMan

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

To be fair, that's kinda like taking a poll at a Trump rally lol.

The people who hate Trump, didn't watch it. 

45% of the people in America voted for Kamala, and there was basically no reason to do that, aside from party allegiance.

If you tried to say, for example, that among the 45% of Americans who voted for Kamala, half of them approved Trump's speech, I'd say you're crazy. I think that Trump could win the Milky Way Galaxy lotto, and aliens could come here and shower Americans with wealth, and the Demi cultists would want him impeached for colluding with aliens while they were quietly pocketing the Globo Dineros.

But the number aligns with polls that are taken regarding the topics. Nearly 80% of America is for border security/deportations, banning boys from girls sports and cutting government waste. It could be true that the sample might be skewed in his favor, but the larger sample favored the topics of the speech at very similar portions.

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said:

But the number aligns with polls that are taken regarding the topics. Nearly 80% of America is for border security/deportations, banning boys from girls sports and cutting government waste. 

I can't imagine why it wouldn't be at 80%. 

If the Dems started saying those things instead of bludgeoning Americans with the DEI baseball bat, the MSM's incessant "vote for Kamala even though she doesn't answer anyone's questions" campaign would have worked. 

[robosmith]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Ok, here's the deal. I want you to consider the validity of information based on its sources here:

1. "Foreign policy magazine (who the f are they?) says that Trump's foreign real-estate partner (unnamed) and other sources familiar with the internal workings of the Trump Organization (who are also unnamed) say that his post-'90s revival "may really have begun"... 
2. Here's a video of Joe Biden saying that he unilaterally got the top prosecutor in Ukraine fired, and that he appointed the next one... Here's a video of his business partners... Here's an article from the Kyiv Post saying that the prosecutor that Biden fired had won court orders to seize Zlochevsky's assets... 

Leftards jump on format 1 with both feet. "OMG, LOOK! THIS IS A TREASURE TROVE OF FACTS!"

Leftards look on format 2 with complete contempt. There's simply no discussing it. That DID NOT happen. End of story.

 

Do you see why conservatives don't take you seriously? The things that you consider facts and the things that you consider unsubstantiated are all drawn along partisan lines for you people. 

 

 

If I took an article about a politician who you'd never heard of, and merely swapped the party name and all references to his political affiliations to the opposite party, you'd make your assumption of guilt or innocence completely based his political leanings and you'd totally disregard the level of proof in the article. 100%.

If the article was about a conservative, he's guilty instantly, regardless of whether or not the sources of baseless accusations were even named, and there was just a general area named, and the year could only be guessed at.

If he's a liberal, and there is a video confession along with supporting evidence from archived newspapers and he's caught on video blatantly lying about the whole affair and there are highly valuable witnesses making claims on video, he's still innocent and you won't even engage in discussion about the possibility of his guilt. 

I don't value your opinion at all, buddy. What you cited there was TOTAL GARBAGE.

Joe never said his actions in service of official US government (and European governments) policy were "unilateral."

He said he got it done. 

Do you see why liberals don't take you seriously? The things that you consider facts and the things that you consider unsubstantiated are all drawn along partisan lines for you people. 

Your problem is you still believe Giuliani's, and FOS, LIES 

Once Giuliani got his hands on Hunter's laptop, the whole chain of custody was destroyed in Ukraine.

 

[Barquentine]

30 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

don't value your opinion at all, buddy.

Yet you spent a lot of time trying your best to refute it.

[WestCanMan]

7 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Yet you spent a lot of time trying your best to refute it.

Correction: I took the time to throughly refute it. 

[herbie]

 

[Deluge]

On 3/5/2025 at 3:19 AM, myata said:

Investigations in some possibly faraway future will answer the question with hard, documented evidence. But here's an observation: if Russia indeed happened to own a high level asset installing a total chaos, ruining as much as possible quickly and decisively would be their preferred and quite possibly, the only strategy with a chance of success. Take it fast and take all. Overwhelm and paralyze the resistance before it begins. Before democratic forces in the society had the chance to understand what's happening and unite to resist.

The previous term showed them that the slow takeover wouldn't work: democracy is too messy too many processes, courts, takes too long, way too long and then the pueblo wants a change. So, a new radical idea:  take it over from the top fast and decisively, the only course with a chance of success.

And now: find one difference, between this obvious logic and the reality. See? Russian asset or not, it just looks the same, no difference. How do we interpret that fact?

And the last point is on the so called "checks and balances": just like in Germany last century they are proving themselves dysfunctional and useless. Till the last moment, the formal political bunch will hang on to and scramble to the illusion that they can control something or anything. That something still depends on them and needs them when the rising dictator already plays in his sick mind how he will wipe his a$$ with their cries and whimpers remembering every word and each transgression. Nope: no chance of waking up, nobody is home to answer. And I don't mean only Republicans.

A total, accomplished cave in and a collapse.

Russia's got nothing on democrats. Ever hear of the expression "the enemy within"? That's the democrat party. When you factor in China support, Ukraine support, "America last" sentiment, and illegal immigration, all that shit is enough to throw your asses into prison. 

It's decision time for America - do we let subversives, like myata, continue to betray this country, or do we round them up and throw their asses into the slammer? It's becoming more and more obvious that the latter is the only solution. 

[BeaverFever]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Just stop you little baby. Do you want the war over or not?

FYI there is a war, Ukraine just keeps on losing lives/money/territory, and people want it to stop. The war is at a point where people can see that, after 3 years of the same things just happening over and over again, there's no turning point in sight. 

You sound like Nazi apologists during the first 3 years of we2 when the Nazis were winning. Besides Russias gains have been small and it costing them massive amounts of blood and treasure for each gain they’ve had.
 

You don’t  want peace you want Russian victory that is clear 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

You sound like Nazi apologists during the first 3 years of we2 when the Nazis were winning. Besides Russias gains have been small and it costing them massive amounts of blood and treasure for each gain they’ve had.

We had no choice but to win against Hitler at any cost. This isn't the same thing at all.

Putin's plan for Donbas isn't genocide. 

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You don’t  want peace you want Russian victory that is clear 

This isn't "victory" dumbass. Victory would be "Trump was elected in 2020 and there was no full-out war." 

[BeaverFever]

21 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And FYI, wars don't end on the losers' terms. At the end of WWII did we just say "You lose, Germany. I hope that you learned your lesson. All of Europe is yours now. Please treat them better than you did in 1944."? No, we did not. The allies drew up the terms and Germany accepted them. 

Are you fukin stupid trying to compare Ukraine defending itself from foreign invasion to Germany attempting to invade other countries?  Of all the incredibly stupid things your ignorant dropout as has spouted over the years this might be one of the dumbest. Do you think when USA and Canada joined we2 we just decided to support whichever side was winning?  You think peace is about nothing except ensuring the quickest victory for whichever side has the upper han?  You prove again that you’re an absolute fukin mor0n. 

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, robosmith said:

I rarely or ever quote CNN, because you're OBSESSED with denying their credibility and there are PLENTY of SOURCES which CORROBORATE them.

Of course YOU COMPLETELY IGNORE that CNN has fired reporters and managers for not adhering to their JOURNALISTIC STANDARDS of ETHICS, unlike FOS LIES which only fires people for sexual harassment. LMAO

You rarely quote CNN because they're largely Full Of Sh*t.  

You don't have reliable sources, really, which is why you usually don't link your sources. 

Stop with the dishonesty and won't look like such a d*ckhead. 

Edited March 10 by Deluge

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Are you fukin stupid trying to compare Ukraine defending itself from foreign invasion to Germany attempting to invade other countries?  Of all the incredibly stupid things your ignorant dropout as has spouted over the years this might be one of the dumbest. Do you think when USA and Canada joined we2 we just decided to support whichever side was winning?  You think peace is about nothing except ensuring the quickest victory for whichever side has the upper han?  You prove again that you’re an absolute fukin mor0n. 

It was a proxy war you f'ing child. 

Your imaginary starting point means nothing. 

[myata]

22 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Are you fukin stupid trying to compare Ukraine defending itself from foreign invasion to Germany attempting to invade other countries?

That, or lying pathologically. Only two logical options. Stupid: can't see the difference between a painted carrot and real stinking piece of sh*t. Psychotic liar: pretends they are one and same, no difference.

[Deluge]

On 3/5/2025 at 11:11 AM, BeaverFever said:

Look. Just because Trump says everything a Russian asset would say and does everything a Russian asset would do doesn’t mean he’s a Russian asset. Lots of these people are just nothing more than gullible id1ots. 

That's your woke virus talking. lol

Trump is no more a Russian asset than I am, and I am 100% pro-American, f*ck everyone else - and that includes Israel;  they can take care of themselves. 

[herbie]