Trump Pulls the Plug on Further Aid to Ukraine | Larry Johnson

[Scott75]

Interesting article that just came out a few hours ago, thought it might merit a thread of its own. Link to it is here:

https://sonar21.com/trump-pulls-the-plug-on-further-aid-to-ukraine/

Quoting the short article below:

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What a day. The fallout from Friday’s rumble in the Oval Office continues and it is not good news for Ukraine. Although Zelensky caught some love from a motley collection of Eurocrats over the weekend in London, it was meaningless. More empty promises from European countries with no military clout and floundering economies, all vowing to support Ukraine, maybe. The UK’s Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, promised to provide troops and planes to secure a peace in Ukraine and then, moments later, conceded it would only be done if the US provided firm security guarantees. Trump already has said, “NO,” to that proposal and is not going to reverse position.

 

Then, late this afternoon, news broke that Trump had pulled the plug on providing further military and financial assistance to Ukraine. While Trump suggested this might be only a temporary hold, provided that Zelensky get on his knees and return to the Oval Office to kiss Trump’s ass, I think it is unlikely that the Kievan Cocaine Cowboy will wipe the white powder from his nostrils, clear his head, and apologize to Mr. Trump. Zelensky is too far gone.

 

Zelensky will bear the blame in Ukraine for alienating the Trump administration and you can bet that senior intelligence and military officers, who will now be denied assistance they were counting on, will turn their wrath on Zelensky. Whatever tantrum or defiant show of resistance Zelensky decides to present to the outside world, that will be short-lived.

 

Russia will likely further intensify its military operations against the Ukrainian forces, which already are suffering significant losses all along the line of contact. And the prospect for a quick collapse of Ukraine’s military appears more plausible as compared to the situation one month past.

 

At the same time that President Trump is turning up the heat on Ukraine, he has ordered the Secretary of the Treasury and the Secretary of State to review existing sanctions on Russia and submit a list recommending which ones to lift. I think one of the first to fall will be air travel between the two countries.

 

When the full truth of US financial support for Ukraine is eventually revealed, Americans will be shocked to learn that USAID played a pervasive and powerful role in funneling money to whip up public enthusiasm for Ukraine and to entice mercenaries to enlist. In addition, USAID funding to media outlets in Ukraine was a critical element in pushing memes proclaiming Ukraine as a democracy, Zelensky as a popular leader and Russia as military and economic basket case. With Trump pulling the plug on that operation, the facade of lies is being exposed and starting to crumble.

I discussed some of these issues on Monday with Nima and with the Judge:

 

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[gatomontes99]

Yep. Zelensky attacked Trump in public. I don't know why he thought that would be beneficial. He clearly realized, later, that what he did was a huge mistake. But he still didn't apologize. When he apologizes, he will get it all back. One of Tro's best qualities is his ability to forgive.

[Nationalist]

Ya gits wut ya pays fer. 

[Scott75]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yep. Zelensky attacked Trump in public. I don't know why he thought that would be beneficial. He clearly realized, later, that what he did was a huge mistake. But he still didn't apologize. When he apologizes, he will get it all back. One of Tro's best qualities is his ability to forgive.

Larry Johnson thinks it's unlikely that Zelensky will apologize, I think he may well be right. As I've said before, Trump has his flaws, but one flaw he does -not- have is this crazy wishful thinking of many warmongers on both the left and the right. I suspect that the most important statement Trump made in his tiff with Zelensky was this one:

"Trump: [shouting] “You're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with World War Three. You're gambling with World War Three"

Source:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-zelensky-transcript-in-full-every-word-of-astonishing-white-house-exchange-over-ukraine-russia-war/ar-AA1A0EtW

I firmly believe that Trump is right on this. Zelensky was considering getting nukes even -before- Russia's military operation in Ukraine began, and Putin was certainly listening- he even responded, and all of this was before his operation. Zelensky hasn't changed course and his wish to get western powers to escalate things to this level has been something he's done repeateadly, even getting the U.S. and other western powers to literally help him bomb Russia. What if Putin was a bit less restrained and decided to bomb the countries that were helping bomb Russia back? Scott Ritter suggested this could have indeed led to World War III in an article he wrote back in September 2024:

https://consortiumnews.com/2024/09/19/scott-ritter-72-hours/

Fortunately, Putin decided to avoid doing this, and perhaps for this reason alone, World War III didn't ensue. Trump, to his credit, wants to avoid these types of possibilities entirely. I've heard that he also wants to essentially have an Israeli style Iron Dome for the U.S., with satellites able to take out nukes from orbit and the like. I think diplomacy's a -much- better option, but it goes to show that Trump takes the potential of World War III quite seriously, which is something that Biden, who I think most would agree wasn't really all there by the end of his term, didn't seem to a lot of the time (there were thankfully some exceptions).

Edited March 4 by Scott75

[User]

3 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yep. Zelensky attacked Trump in public. I don't know why he thought that would be beneficial. He clearly realized, later, that what he did was a huge mistake. But he still didn't apologize. When he apologizes, he will get it all back. One of Tro's best qualities is his ability to forgive.

I am not even sure an apology will do at this point. 

Zelensky posted a video to social media yesterday, basically thanking the Europeans for all their increased efforts saying he has secured enough funding to keep the war going through 2025 and never really acknowledged Trump or any plan for peace with Trump and his usual schtick for a real lasting peace and at the end threw in that America would keep helping him too. 

I think the timeline for aid being cut was after that video being posted. 

He doesn't get to brag about continued American support through 2025 to keep the war going when he knows that isn't what Trump wants. 

 

[Deluge]

Ukraine's had enough aid. It's time to put America first. 

[Aristides]

There should be no further doubt that Trump is in Putin's pocket. It's a good thing that Europe has finally realized it is on its own and must become the champion of democracy and civilization. 

[User]

Just now, Aristides said:

There should be no further doubt that Trump is in Putin's pocket. It's a good thing that Europe has finally realized it is on its own and must become the champion of democracy and civilization. 

You never had a case before now, you still don't. 

 

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Interesting article that just came out a few hours ago, thought it might merit a thread of its own. Link to it is here:

https://sonar21.com/trump-pulls-the-plug-on-further-aid-to-ukraine/

Quoting the short article below:

**

What a day. The fallout from Friday’s rumble in the Oval Office continues and it is not good news for Ukraine. Although Zelensky caught some love from a motley collection of Eurocrats over the weekend in London, it was meaningless. More empty promises from European countries with no military clout and floundering economies, all vowing to support Ukraine, maybe. The UK’s Prime Minister, Keir Starmer, promised to provide troops and planes to secure a peace in Ukraine and then, moments later, conceded it would only be done if the US provided firm security guarantees. Trump already has said, “NO,” to that proposal and is not going to reverse position.

 

Then, late this afternoon, news broke that Trump had pulled the plug on providing further military and financial assistance to Ukraine. While Trump suggested this might be only a temporary hold, provided that Zelensky get on his knees and return to the Oval Office to kiss Trump’s ass, I think it is unlikely that the Kievan Cocaine Cowboy will wipe the white powder from his nostrils, clear his head, and apologize to Mr. Trump. Zelensky is too far gone.

 

Zelensky will bear the blame in Ukraine for alienating the Trump administration and you can bet that senior intelligence and military officers, who will now be denied assistance they were counting on, will turn their wrath on Zelensky. Whatever tantrum or defiant show of resistance Zelensky decides to present to the outside world, that will be short-lived.

 

Russia will likely further intensify its military operations against the Ukrainian forces, which already are suffering significant losses all along the line of contact. And the prospect for a quick collapse of Ukraine’s military appears more plausible as compared to the situation one month past.

 

At the same time that President Trump is turning up the heat on Ukraine, he has ordered the Secretary of the Treasury and the Secretary of State to review existing sanctions on Russia and submit a list recommending which ones to lift. I think one of the first to fall will be air travel between the two countries.

 

When the full truth of US financial support for Ukraine is eventually revealed, Americans will be shocked to learn that USAID played a pervasive and powerful role in funneling money to whip up public enthusiasm for Ukraine and to entice mercenaries to enlist. In addition, USAID funding to media outlets in Ukraine was a critical element in pushing memes proclaiming Ukraine as a democracy, Zelensky as a popular leader and Russia as military and economic basket case. With Trump pulling the plug on that operation, the facade of lies is being exposed and starting to crumble.

I discussed some of these issues on Monday with Nima and with the Judge:

 

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Your cite completely lacks credibility cause it reads like it was written by a petulant CHILD. WTH is Larry Johnson and why do you believe he is credible? 

[Deluge]

45 minutes ago, Aristides said:

There should be no further doubt that Trump is in Putin's pocket. It's a good thing that Europe has finally realized it is on its own and must become the champion of democracy and civilization. 

Trump and Putin agree that woke globalism is bad for everyone. 

Besides, Biden was in everyone's pocket, so you have ZERO room to complain. 

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, Scott75 said:

Zelensky will bear the blame in Ukraine for alienating the Trump administration 

I dunno what people are saying in Ukraine, but they're definitely blaming Trump over here. 

There's a 'rumour', or whatever you wanna call it, going on around here that Zelenski called Trump or Vance a b1tch under his breath, in Ukrainian, at the WH, and if that's true, that might have been a billion-dollar word. 

[robosmith]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I dunno what people are saying in Ukraine, but they're definitely blaming Trump over here. 

There's a 'rumour', or whatever you wanna call it, going on around here that Zelenski called Trump or Vance a b1tch under his breath, in Ukrainian, at the WH, and if that's true, that might have been a billion-dollar word. 

And you believe Trump or Vance can understand Ukrainian in real time? LMAO

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Europe has finally realized it is on its own and must become the champion of democracy and civilization. 

Champion of democracy and civilization?

I guess you missed the part where people in some European countries are being arrested for speaking their mind?

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Champion of democracy and civilization?

I guess you missed the part where people in some European countries are being arrested for speaking their mind?

Sure. It's not just "speaking their mind."

Hitler spoke his mind and incited WWII when he ordered German troops to invade neighboring nations.

[ironstone]

9 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Sure. It's not just "speaking their mind."

https://www.newsweek.com/americans-shocked-60-minutes-report-german-free-speech-policing-2032241

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, robosmith said:

And you believe Trump or Vance can understand Ukrainian in real time? LMAO

And you believe that Trump and Vance don't have access to the video recording of that meeting, and/or a translator? 

You don't think that they would ever find out?

And what would be the difference if they understood it in real time? Zelensky's tone and message were already insulting, that fight was going to take place regardless of whether or not that word was said. The only difference is the meeting would have been a bit shorter, and might have ended with a midget-toss.  

4 minutes ago, ironstone said:

https://www.newsweek.com/americans-shocked-60-minutes-report-german-free-speech-policing-2032241

Britain is only 8x worse than Russia. That's not so bad, is it? 

[robosmith]

31 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

And you believe that Trump and Vance don't have access to the video recording of that meeting, and/or a translator? 

You don't think that they would ever find out?

And what would be the difference if they understood it in real time? Zelensky's tone and message were already insulting, that fight was going to take place regardless of whether or not that word was said. The only difference is the meeting would have been a bit shorter, and might have ended with a midget-toss.  

Since they didn't know what was muttered in real time, it had NO EFFECT on that meeting. Duh

[robosmith]

37 minutes ago, ironstone said:

https://www.newsweek.com/americans-shocked-60-minutes-report-german-free-speech-policing-2032241

Mass shooters here often post suspect intentions on social media, which if arrested might have prevented many deaths.

Of course it is judgement of where that line is crossed, but I'd rather it be conservative, because lives are on the line.

Do you remember what Trump's would be assassin posted on social media?

Suspect in Trump's assassination attempt was politically ...

YouTube · NBC News

3.6K+ views · 5 months ago

 

Authorities are investigating the digital footprint of the suspect in the apparent attempted assassination of former President Trump.

You OTOH, apparently want ultimate freedom of speech, lives lost be damned.

[WestCanMan]

33 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Since they didn't know what was muttered in real time, it had NO EFFECT on that meeting. Duh

I never said it affected the meeting, dummy. 

But do you think that his comment didn't have any effect at all, after Trump and Vance found out about it? Of course it did. And it wouldn't have taken Trump days to get that info, and have it verified.

I don't know if Zelensky actually said it, but if he did it was incredibly stupid. I don't think even Trudeau would be that dumb. 

[WestCanMan]

29 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Mass shooters here often post suspect intentions on social media, which if arrested might have prevented many deaths.

Of course it is judgement of where that line is crossed, but I'd rather it be conservative, because lives are on the line.

Do you remember what Trump's would be assassin posted on social media?

Suspect in Trump's assassination attempt was politically ...

YouTube · NBC News

3.6K+ views · 5 months ago

 

Authorities are investigating the digital footprint of the suspect in the apparent attempted assassination of former President Trump.

You OTOH, apparently want ultimate freedom of speech, lives lost be damned.

What Routh wrote there was tame compared with Madonna talking about blowing up the WH, Depp saying "Maybe it's time that another actor murders the president", Kathy Griffin holding a severed-head effigy, Maxine Watters beseeching Dem supporters to "get in the faces of Republicans, show them that they're not welcome in your communities, and push back on them", etc. 

And it's not just the people who said/posted those things who would be guilty of putting those statements on social media, there were thousands and thousands of people who shared them praisingly. 

None of the above people were arrested. None of them were charged with anything. None of them were even banned from social media. 

Edited March 4 by WestCanMan

[robosmith]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I never said it affected the meeting, dummy. 

But do you think that his comment didn't have any effect at all, after Trump and Vance found out about it? Of course it did. And it wouldn't have taken Trump days to get that info, and have it verified.

I don't know if Zelensky actually said it, but if he did it was incredibly stupid. I don't think even Trudeau would be that dumb. 

^Pure speculation. We KNOW that Trump planned to destroy the plans as soon as Zelenskyy said one cross thing about Putin and had a Tass reporter in the audience so Putin could see it happen..

[ironstone]

33 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You OTOH, apparently want ultimate freedom of speech, lives lost be damned.

When it comes to limits on free speech, I usually defer to the 'yelling fire in a crowded theatre' example. There has to be limits. Do not encourage violence towards others or promote hate.

However, what constitutes hate speech is debatable. If one points out that there may be evidence that suggests that people of a certain faith may be more prone to violent acts, is that hate speech? Or if certain people are responsible for more crimes, is that hate speech even if the statistics back up that assertion?

[robosmith]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What Routh wrote there was tame compared with Madonna talking about blowing up the WH, Depp saying "Maybe it's time that another actor murders the president", Kathy Griffin holding a severed-head effigy, Maxine Watters beseeching Dem supporters to "get in the faces of Republicans, show them that they're not welcome in your communities, and push back on them", etc. 

And it's not just the people who said/posted those things who would be guilty of putting those statements on social media, there were thousands and thousands of people who shared them praisingly. 

None of the above people were arrested. None of them were charged with anything. None of them were even banned from social media. 

^NO COMPARISON with the mass shooters I was talking about. And Routh was too stupid to not hide his gun until he was ready.

Most likely it was just a setup.

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

When it comes to limits on free speech, I usually defer to the 'yelling fire in a crowded theatre' example. There has to be limits. Do not encourage violence towards others or promote hate.

However, what constitutes hate speech is debatable. If one points out that there may be evidence that suggests that people of a certain faith may be more prone to violent acts, is that hate speech? Or if certain people are responsible for more crimes, is that hate speech even if the statistics back up that assertion?

You're talking about ^stereotypes. I'm talking about individuals who state bad intentions or wishes online.

[User]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

We KNOW that Trump planned to destroy the plans as soon as Zelenskyy said one cross thing about Putin and had a Tass reporter in the audience so Putin could see it happen..

How do you know this?