Trump and Vance Loudly Rebuke Zelensky in Oval Office | The New York Times

[robosmith]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Herridge was surprisingly professional and pleasant. I'm not accustomed to seeing that from leftist reporters. 

You don't watch "leftist reporters." That's why you're "not accustomed." LMAO

[Nationalist]

38 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I do indeed think you are a clown, top to bottom. And the "internet tough guy" routine is just icing on the clown cake.🤣

 

OK so come tell me to my face that I have a mail order wife. Come on. I'm just a clown right.

Do it.

Edited March 3, 2025 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

OK so come tell me to my face that I have a mail order wife. Come on. I'm just a clown right.

Do it.

@Hodad You're a loud mouthed coward. And that's how you'll be known from now on. Coward.

[herbie]

Is this behaviour reminiscent of the Munich Agreement or is Trump & Vance's cozying up to Putin a modern day Von Ribbentrop pact?

Pick one or both....

[Hodad]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

@Hodad You're a loud mouthed coward. And that's how you'll be known from now on. Coward.

The saddest thing is that you don't even know that you're the punchline. 

I'm sure you're as tough as you are smart. 🤣

Edited March 3, 2025 by Hodad

[Nationalist]

Just now, Hodad said:

The saddest thing is that you don't even know that you're the punchline. 

I'm sure you're as tough as you are smart. 🤣

Hi Coward. Hide under any nice tables of late?

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Hi Coward. Hide under any nice tables of late?

That's right @Hodad. Cowards always try to laugh off challenges. They open their mouths, say gross things about peoples' families and then all of the sudden...find they have no testosterone or honor.

Cowardly little pee-on.

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The saddest thing is that you don't even know that you're the punchline. 

I'm sure you're as tough as you are smart. 🤣

Coward.

[robosmith]

Just now, Nationalist said:

That's right @Hodad. Cowards always try to laugh off challenges. They open their mouths, say gross things about peoples' families and then all of the sudden...find they have no testosterone or honor.

Cowardly little pee-on.

You're delusional if you believe anyone is going fly up to Ontario to meet you for a fight.

You certainly wouldn't even show up.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, robosmith said:

You're delusional if you believe anyone is going fly up to Ontario to meet you for a fight.

You certainly wouldn't even show up.

I'm there 5 nights out of 7 Dweebles.

[robosmith]

From FB

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Seeing Putin’s boys bully a besieged freedom fighter in the Oval Office was humiliating for every American. Since there is no presidential precedent for the public brutalizing of an ally, we reach for fiction and Mayor Carmine DePasto, from the comedy “Animal House,” and his summit with the dean of Faber College. “If you want this year’s homecoming parade in my town,” he says, “you have to pay.” When the dean accuses him of extortion, the mayor replies, “Look, these parades are very expensive. You’re using my police, my sanitation people, my three Oldsmobiles. So if you mention extortion again, I’ll have your legs broken.”

Musk can fire the White House speechwriters, too, because there’s the Trump Doctrine for you. If Ukraine wants to be part of negotiations to end Russia’s criminal war, it has to pay in the form of a share of its mineral resources. Since President Zelensky was allegedly rude today, Trump has threatened to cut off military aid and let more Ukrainians die.

Yet large as it was, today’s incident was far more than it appeared. Trump and Vance wrote the latest chapter in the biography of the United States as a world power. Periodically we have to decide what values we think our country should uphold in the world. We have arrived at another such moment. Everyone must ask themselves what kind of global citizen their country should be. It is work we must all do in the days and weeks ahead it we are to do our part to keep the American dream from entering a death spiral.

Readers should not assume that everyone disagrees with Trump. Millions of Americans opposed the U.S. entering World War II to help Europe against Hitler, history’s greatest evildoer. Some were Nazi sympathizers. Others just thought it was none of our business. Most leaders were internationalists in the Cold War, and Americans by and large went along. We rebuilt Japan and Germany and avoided war with the Soviets. We also bred cynicism by leaving bloody footprints from Chile to Vietnam, sometimes meaning well, sometimes not. George W. Bush’s massive overreaction to the Sept. 11 attacks, leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan without making the U.S. safer, gave foreign policy itself a bad name, enabling Trump to sound like a peacenik by attacking our endless wars.

Making our way through the shadow of disgrace Trump casts requires us to think carefully and humbly. Notwithstanding the heretical teachings of Christian nationalists and apostolic reformists, God doesn’t love us more than other people. We’re not chosen or anointed. We’ve had moments of glory and deep disgrace. It has taken more than a quarter of a millennium to come anywhere near letting freedom ring for everyone.

A decent and indeed a Christian foreign policy would look out for our interests while promoting global stability, encouraging economic and political liberalism where we can, addressing suffering through a generous foreign aid budget befitting the richest nation in the world, and leading on climate change mitigation and innovation. This is how a good nation counts its blessings. That’s how we say thank you to God and sorry to those we hurt along the way.

Some argue that the U.S. always acts on behalf of its strategic and economic interests while just claiming we’re for justice and democracy. I must disagree. Too many Americans have died fighting for other nations’ freedom and sovereignty. But Trump has swept those values aside in favor of pure self-interest. Those who insist the U.S. has always been out for number one are carefully watching us every one during Trump’s days of shame. We’re finding out how much sadism and cruelty the American people will tolerate — and so far, we’ve tolerated quite a bit.

Trump is obviously paying Zelensky back for refusing to cooperate with dirty tricks against Joe Biden in the 2016 election. That is as deep as this individual’s strategic vision goes. The rest of his foreign policy is equally thoughtless and toxic. Besides selling out Ukraine, his most significant move was depriving sick, starving people of foreign aid. Journalists such as Nicholas Kristof who are covering Trump’s war on USAID can show you exactly where in the developing world Trump is likely to kill those in need. Yet he is doing it without significant public outcry. We know he doesn’t care. The question is if the rest of us do — and how the rest of the world reacts.

Zelensky’s first calls after his Trump beat down were to European leaders. One possible future is western Europe supporting Ukraine and deterring Russian conventional aggression on its own. Should that happen, Trump would say it was his idea all along. But China would reckon it as an invitation to conquer Taiwan. Its people deserve to be free, but according to Trump’s rulebook, if they can’t defend themselves, they’re out of luck.

The alliances Trump is ripping apart like an angry kindergartner help keep the peace and limit the spread of the most dangerous weapons. Without them, aggressors will gobble up weaker nations. Non-nuclear powers will join the club faster than you can say enriched uranium. If the American people acquiesce in Trump’s disgraceful behavior, his abandonment of the weakest among us, our country will end up as exactly what its harshest critics have always said: Out just for itself and its economic interests, or in this case Trump’s. The Trump Doctrine will go on to light up a hundred wars. If the U.S. ever needs its friends again, no one will answer the phone. We’ll be as lonely as Trump when he turns out the lights.

 

 

 

 

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, robosmith said:

From FB

 

Doom Gloom and lies from a dweeb...oh no...

[User]

43 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The saddest thing is that you don't even know that you're the punchline. 

The saddest part is that you love this kind of engagement but hide from me. 

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, User said:

The saddest part is that you love this kind of engagement but hide from me. 

He hides from you 'cause he's an effeminate little coward. I suspect he'll start hiding from me now too.

[Aristides]

3 hours ago, User said:

What surrender?

What is the Danish PM actually doing to win this war or bring it to an end?

 

Maybe you should have listened to the speech, she was pretty specific.

Trump doesn't want Ukraine at the table, all he wants to do is arrange the terms of their capitulation with Putin.

[Hodad]

47 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I'm there 5 nights out of 7 Dweebles.

You spend 5 nights a week at some bar?

Call off the charm offensive. I stand corrected. Now we all know you're a real winner.

[Nationalist]

Just now, Hodad said:

You spend 5 nights a week at some bar?

Call off the charm offensive. I stand corrected. Now we all know you're a real winner.

And how many millions have you accumulated...Coward?

[User]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

Maybe you should have listened to the speech, she was pretty specific.

Trump doesn't want Ukraine at the table, all he wants to do is arrange the terms of their capitulation with Putin.

She was not specific at all. She called for everyone to scale up. What, specifically, is she doing? 

Trump literally had Ukraine at the Oval Office and they have been talking and coordinating with them before that. 

 

[robosmith]

50 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Doom Gloom and lies from a dweeb...oh no...

Too bad, too ^BANKRUPT

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, User said:

She was not specific at all. She called for everyone to scale up. What, specifically, is she doing? 

Trump literally had Ukraine at the Oval Office and they have been talking and coordinating with them before that. 

 

She leads a small country of just one in Europe that has done a lot for Ukraine. She can only encourage others to do more.

Trump had Ukraine at the Oval office to insult them, not to invite them to negotiate with Russia.

Trump also wants Greenland from Denmark so he isn't any better than Putin as far as Denmark is concerned. Unfortunately he has to deal with what he hates most, a strong, intelligent, articulate woman.

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[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Trump also wants Greenland from Denmark, unfortunately he has to deal with what he hates most, a strong, intelligent, articulate woman.

Like...his daughter Ivanka? His daughter-in-law Lara?

If you're going to make silly assumptions...best make sure you don't end up looking the fool for it.

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Like...his daughter Ivanka? His daughter-in-law Lara?

If you're going to make silly assumptions...best make sure you don't end up looking the fool for it.

Neither one of them is fit to carry Frederiksen's luggage.

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Neither one of them is fit to carry Frederiksen's luggage.

Pfft...

So you're now gonna move the  goalposts?

What's your opinion of this Frederiksen person and her luggage, got to do with this asinine statement you made?

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he has to deal with what he hates most, a strong, intelligent, articulate woman.

Would you like a bigger shovel?

[Reg Volk]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Is this behaviour reminiscent of the Munich Agreement or is Trump & Vance's cozying up to Putin a modern day Von Ribbentrop pact?

Pick one or both....

or neither as they aren't applicable in this situation.  Are you going to pick up an AK and go fight along side the "brave Ukrainians" in the meat grinder Herbie?

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Pfft...

So you're now gonna move the  goalposts?

What's your opinion of this Frederiksen person and her luggage, got to do with this asinine statement you made?

Would you like a bigger shovel?

Frederiksen came from a middle class family and worked her way up to her position on her own merit. Ivanka was born into hers and Lara  married into it.

Edited March 3, 2025 by Aristides