The Ukraine Was Started Under Biden, 100%. He Never Even Tried To End It. Stop Blaming Trump for Ukraine's Losses.

[herbie]

You've already taken that position with your incessant Trump sucking and demand for a Vichy Canada.

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, herbie said:

You've already taken that position with your incessant Trump sucking and demand for a Vichy Canada.

Oh look, your 241st world record. 

The Stupid Olympics would just be a bunch of also-rans without you there. 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And they're not communists?

Whatever else they might be they're not the least bit progressive and there doesn't seem to be a hard right wing leader or oligarch in the world who can't get enough of Putin.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Whatever else they might be they're not the least bit progressive

That word has lost its shine. 

You guys need to find a new word that's not synonymous with racism and forced injections. 

[eyeball]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That word has lost its shine. 

You guys need to find a new word that's not synonymous with racism and forced injections. 

You guys are the only ones making progressiveness synonymous with these.

I guess communism wasn't bad enough and you've expanded the vernacular to smear it every which way possible.

[Aristides]

I wonder why the MAGA hats have no issue with North Koreans fighting with the Russians. Maybe they could enlighten us.

[Scott75]

On 2/23/2025 at 12:22 PM, WestCanMan said:

On 2/23/2025 at 8:53 AM, Scott75 said:

Forbes would be the one to claim the lower number of 20 million ("at most", they say):

https://www.forbesmiddleeast.com/leadership/leaders/president-zelensky-is-not-a-billionaire-so-how-much-is-he-worth

TBH, after  $10M, everything else is gravy. And I doubt that Zelensky's money is worth anything in a bar or restaurant. He's getting free meals and booze for life, as long as he keeps singing the proper tune. 

You may well be right. I've come to think that the really serious corruption is closer to home. As I brought up in my last post, I found that much of the money allegedly sent to Ukraine went never got there. Zelensky did bring this up. An article on that:

Where did the money go? Zelensky exposes $102 billion black Hole in U.S. Aid to Ukraine | NewsTarget

The article definitely suggests that most of the gravy train is generally much closer to home. Quoting from the summary of the article:

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• Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky revealed that only $75 billion of the $177 billion in U.S. military aid intended for Ukraine under the Biden administration has been received.
• The remaining 102 billion is unaccounted for, sparking outrage and raising questions about accountability and transparency in U.S. foreign aid programs.
• Zelensky's comments have reignited debates about corruption within Ukraine's government and the broader international aid system, with some suggesting the issue may be due to mismanagement or deliberate diversion of funds.
• The timing of the disclosure is significant, coming after former President Donald Trump's criticism of U.S. spending on Ukraine and his decision to freeze virtually all foreign aid.
• Zelensky's revelations are a wake-up call for American taxpayers and policymakers, highlighting the need for transparency, oversight and accountability in U.S. foreign aid programs.

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This all reminds me of a comedy sketch Zelensky did when he was still just a comedian. It can be seen here:

 

Quoting a particularly poignant part of his sketch:

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Today, our President, the most important one, Barrack Obama, has promised that we will join NATO soon, as an American henchman, of course

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The thing about being an American henchman is echoed in something that American economist and public policy expert Jeffrey Sachs said recently to the EU Parliament:

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...I begged the Ukrainians and I had a track record with the ukrainians I advise the ukrainians I'm not anti-ukrainian I'm Pro Ukrainian completely I said save your lives save your sovereignty save your territory be neutral don't listen to the Americans I repeated to them the famous adage of Henry Kissinger that to be an enemy of the United States is dangerous but to be a friend is fatal [snip]

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He says the above in the following video, at around the 41:30 mark:

 

Sachs backs up the previous quoted statement prior to making it with the following, which he starts at a bit before the 39 minute mark:

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Michael and I met at the Vatican with a group in the spring of 2022 where we wrote a document explaining nothing good can come out of this war for Ukraine negotiate now because anything that takes time will mean massive amounts of deaths, risk of nuclear escalation and likely loss of the war. I wouldn't change one word from what we wrote then. Nothing was wrong in that document. And since that document, since the US talked the negotiators away from the table, about a million ukrainians have died or been severely wounded and the American Senators who are as nasty and cynical and corrupt as imaginable, say this is wonderful expenditure of our money because no Americans are dying. It's the pure proxy war. One of our Senators nearby me uh Blumenthal says this out loud. Mitt Romney says this out loud. It's best money America can spend, no Americans are dying. it's unreal. [snip]

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Edited February 25 by Scott75
Corrected quote mistakes

[User]

9 hours ago, Aristides said:

I wonder why the MAGA hats have no issue with North Koreans fighting with the Russians. Maybe they could enlighten us.

Who are you talking about?

Plenty of folks take issue with that. The support for Ukraine for whatever dumb reason is one of those contentious issues where you find Conservatives/Republicans/MAGA folks divided. 

 

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

And they're not communists?

Clearly not.

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't doubt that he has that power, but he's not like KJU, with the divine right of emperors flowing through his veins. He's just the figurehead of the Russian old-guard, and if he crosses their red line, he'll die, and then the next figurehead will emerge.

I mean, if you're going to suggest only a weird god-king type like KJU is a dictator then there are no other dictators in the world. And I don't know where you get this 'figurehead of the old guard' stuff. The 'old guard' were the high ranking Communist Party people when the wall fell. None of them have much if any power today. The oligarchs are mostly people who managed to survive the mad scramble for wealth during the anarchy and gangsterism of the Yeltsin years. And any oligarch who gets out of line is cut off at the knees, as Putin has repeatedly demonstrated. No matter how wealthy you are, the state can simply seize all your assets, and bring an irrefutable case against you for tax fraud or whatever (the courts are, of course, Putin's). 

 

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm not sure where you were going with that, tbh.

I'm suggesting you might listen to people like Murray and Kisin rather than whatever RT is feeding you.

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Like Putin, Zelensky runs a government that's purged of opposition members, and every media outlet in the country is duty-bound to pass along Zelensky's word as if it's God's own.

If that were the case Zelensky would have no problem holding elections since, like Putin, he would be confident that his rigged election would give him a huge victory. 

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

2) The architect of this war is the US/NATO, and no one else. It's basically the greatest proxy war ever staged.

I really don't get how you have this slavish devotion to the Trump administration while at the same time believing every word RT tells you about how Russia is innocent and it was the evil Americans who made them invade another country and murder tens of thousands of their citizens.

There is one man responsible for the war and his name is Putin. The war was not inspired by any fear of NATO. Toothless NATO was no threat to Russia and he knew it. His own speeches have made it abundantly clear this war is one of conquest. Or rather, reconquest, as he believes Ukraine is, has always been, and must always be a part of Russia. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Clearly not.

Do you mean "Their society isn't utopian" or "They don't say they're commies"?

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I mean, if you're going to suggest only a weird god-king type like KJU is a dictator then there are no other dictators in the world. And I don't know where you get this 'figurehead of the old guard' stuff. The 'old guard' were the high ranking Communist Party people when the wall fell. None of them have much if any power today. The oligarchs are mostly people who managed to survive the mad scramble for wealth during the anarchy and gangsterism of the Yeltsin years. And any oligarch who gets out of line is cut off at the knees, as Putin has repeatedly demonstrated. No matter how wealthy you are, the state can simply seize all your assets, and bring an irrefutable case against you for tax fraud or whatever (the courts are, of course, Putin's). 

I think there are people behind the scenes that Putin is legitimately scared of. 

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If that were the case Zelensky would have no problem holding elections since, like Putin, he would be confident that his rigged election would give him a huge victory. 

Please don't tell me that at this point in 2025, you still think Ukraine's last election was legitimate...

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I really don't get how you have this slavish devotion to the Trump administration while at the same time believing every word RT tells you about how Russia is innocent and it was the evil Americans who made them invade another country and murder tens of thousands of their citizens.

Who is RT?

I don't care what anyone says about who started what. 

If I was in Putin's spot, I wouldn't have let Ukraine join NATO, and the US would never let us join any kind of Warsaw Pact.

If you think they would, you're just naive. 

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There is one man responsible for the war and his name is Putin.

If you're being honest, you know that sentence is 100.0% garbage.