Humans Living on Mars vs Robots on Venus

[August1991]

No human will ever live on Mars. But we can send robots to Venus.

1. Mars has no magnetic shield. For humans, life on Mars is like living in a Microwave Oven. (To be more accurate, two microwave ovens -both with random controls.)

2. On Earth, it is cold at the top of Mount Everest. On Mars, the atmosphere is so thin that if your feet are 20 degrees, your head is well below zero.

3. Life on Earth has evolved for our changing environment.

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Rather than wasting the time of smart engineers to send a person to Mars, I think we should send robots to Venus and find out what happened there.

I reckon Venus can tell us more about life on our own planet Earth.

 

Edited February 19, 2025 by August1991

[eyeball]

On 2/19/2025 at 12:15 AM, August1991 said:

Rather than wasting the time of smart engineers to send a person to Mars, I think we should send robots to Venus and find out what happened there.

I reckon Venus can tell us more about life on our own planet Earth.

Yeah, it's unlikely when its gets hot.

Rather than wasting our efforts on going to Mars or Venus we should learn how to live here while we still have the time.

[TreeBeard]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yeah, it's unlikely when its gets hot.

Rather than wasting our efforts on going to Mars or Venus we should learn how to live here while we still have the time.

Yes!  Rather than worrying about colonizing Mars, we should certainly be spending the resources on implementing policies and technologies to remediate climate change so we don’t have to move to Mars!

[August1991]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Yeah, it's unlikely when its gets hot.

Rather than wasting our efforts on going to Mars or Venus we should learn how to live here while we still have the time.

Hot?  No human will ever sustainably live - procreate - on Mars.

We humans have evolved to live in the environment of our planet, Earth.

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But we can learn alot about our planet from other planets/moons.

I reckon that sending probes to Venus will tell us more about Earth than wasting engineers' time sending probes to Mars.

Edited March 1, 2025 by August1991

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, August1991 said:

Hot?  No human will ever sustainably live - procreate - on Mars.

We can prove that here without ever stepping foot on Mars.

4 minutes ago, August1991 said:

But we can learn alot about our planet from other planets/moons.

I'm not saying otherwise but we already know we struggle with living sustainably. I mean, if we can't make it here, we're certainly not going to make it on Mars or Venus.

[August1991]

On 2/28/2025 at 9:06 PM, eyeball said:

We can prove that here without ever stepping foot on Mars.

I'm not saying otherwise but we already know we struggle with living sustainably. I mean, if we can't make it here, we're certainly not going to make it on Mars or Venus.

Autistic people, well, engineers are engineers.

Give them a problem, and they'll try to solve it - without any human cost.

Architects are worse. They imagine a world without engineers.

 

[CdnFox]

On 2/19/2025 at 12:15 AM, August1991 said:

No human will ever live on Mars. But we can send robots to Venus.

1. Mars has no magnetic shield. For humans, life on Mars is like living in a Microwave Oven. (To be more accurate, two microwave ovens -both with random controls.)

2. On Earth, it is cold at the top of Mount Everest. On Mars, the atmosphere is so thin that if your feet are 20 degrees, your head is well below zero.

3. Life on Earth has evolved for our changing environment.

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Rather than wasting the time of smart engineers to send a person to Mars, I think we should send robots to Venus and find out what happened there.

I reckon Venus can tell us more about life on our own planet Earth.

 

Venus's insanely hot. About 900 degrees on average, and it gets hotter than that at times by a fair bit.

Also the atmosphere is about 100 times more dense which creates a lot more pressure. The atmosphere is extremely toxic. When it does rain it rains sulfuric acid. The atmosphere prevents most of the sunlight from reaching the surface so solar power and such is difficult to come by.

I don't know that we would have the technology currently or anytime in the near future to build any kind of robot that would be able to survive that environment for more than an hour at most, and even the hour is well outside of our grasp at the moment. No battery or power system we currently have can sustain that kind of heat for long. 

Although you're right in the long term it would make more sense to terraform venus even though it would be a massive undertaking as there is no way to terraform mars. You would literally have to live in enclosed 'bubble cities'.  But it would be a hell of a lot easier to make the bubble cities I think then it would be to have robots exploring venus

[August1991]

On 8/5/2025 at 2:08 PM, CdnFox said:

Venus's insanely hot. About 900 degrees on average, and it gets hotter than that at times by a fair bit.

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Mars is similar. It is insanely cold. Neither planets have a magnetic shield.

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I reckon that we should send smart AI robots to figure out why Venus happened.

Edited August 12, 2025 by August1991

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, August1991 said:

Mars is similar. It is insanely cold. Neither planets have a magnetic shield.

 

First off, Insanely cold is not 'similar' to insanely hot, they're the oppsite

Second, mars is cold but not insanely so at all.  it's plus 20 Celsius during the day.  it's colder than earth but not colder than space for example. Its not the same thing. Steel and other machinery can work just fine there, the rovers have for years.  we can't even build anything that could land on venus due to the heat. 

And finally,  of COURSE VENUS HAS A MAGNETIC SHIELD!!!!! IF IT DIDN"T IT WOULD LOSE IT"S ATMOSPHERE!!"  

Yeash!!!  Mars HAD an atmosphere (Still has a slight one) but the solar winds tore it away because no shield, it's got a solid core. 

Earth and venus have motlen cores and absolutely have magnetic sheilds. That's why we both have atmospheres.  In fact venus's is 100 times as dense as earths!  It has an excellent mag shield. 

[herbie]

Can't even get back to the Moon, which is the first place to set up a research station. Colonizing Mars is a silly goal.
But going to Mars, just for the sake of going there isn't. It's what humans are all about. "Because it's there" and all that.

Shit we can't even 'colonize' or own North. Edmonton is too cold waaahhh!!

[August1991]

On 8/12/2025 at 2:31 AM, CdnFox said:

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And finally,  of COURSE VENUS HAS A MAGNETIC SHIELD!!!!! IF IT DIDN"T IT WOULD LOSE IT"S ATMOSPHERE!!"  

Yeash!!!  Mars HAD an atmosphere (Still has a slight one) but the solar winds tore it away because no shield, it's got a solid core. 

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I stand corrected.

Your view of Mars is like mine.

I thought Venus had no iron core - and no magnetic shield. 

[herbie]

My be Venus's atmosphere consists of boiled rock that's too heavy for the solar wids to blow away?

Basing that on 1960s movies where the whole damn rocket landed on it's tail and they had to climb down 200 ft ladders to step on the Moon and get eaten by monsters made of rubber.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

My be Venus's atmosphere consists of boiled rock that's too heavy for the solar wids to blow away?

 

That is absolutely not a thing  

and no, it's mostly CO2. Just very very very dense. 

Any planet with a molten core is going to have a magnetic shield. Mars is a solid rock so it doesn't have one, but both earth and venus Have liquid iron cores and therefore it directs the electromagnetic energy that the planet creates almost kind of like an alternator in a car and that's what gives us our magnetic shields.

[August1991]

On 8/16/2025 at 5:20 PM, CdnFox said:

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Any planet with a molten core is going to have a magnetic shield. Mars is a solid rock so it doesn't have one, but both earth and venus Have liquid iron cores and therefore it directs the electromagnetic energy that the planet creates almost kind of like an alternator in a car and that's what gives us our magnetic shields.

CdnFox,

How do we know this about Mars and Venus?

How do we know this about our own planet? The Van Allen belt?

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Rather than send humans to other planets, I reckon that we should send probes to other planets to ensure that we survive.

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, August1991 said:

CdnFox,

How do we know this about Mars and Venus?

How do we know this about our own planet? The Van Allen belt?

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Rather than send humans to other planets, I reckon that we should send probes to other planets to ensure that we survive.

 

We know it for several reasons. Spectroscopic analysis, observation of meteor impact, measurement of the magnetic field, etc. There are numerous sources of knowledge and many tests and experiments that have demonstrated this. We understand the mechanics.

You can read up on it if you like, it's not my job here to teach you basic science. The information is readily available. Sorry that that didn't match what your preconceived notions were

Already know without sending probes to other planets that we can't survive. We would have to create some sort of living space or biosphere that would support us. Of all the planets it is possible to terraform to allow us to live there safely venus is the only practical choice. And it wouldn't be easy

[August1991]

On 8/28/2025 at 1:38 AM, CdnFox said:

We know it for several reasons. Spectroscopic analysis, observation of meteor impact, measurement of the magnetic field, etc. There are numerous sources of knowledge and many tests and experiments that have demonstrated this. We understand the mechanics.

You can read up on it if you like, it's not my job here to teach you basic science. The information is readily available. Sorry that that didn't match what your preconceived notions were

Already know without sending probes to other planets that we can't survive. We would have to create some sort of living space or biosphere that would support us. Of all the planets it is possible to terraform to allow us to live there safely venus is the only practical choice. And it wouldn't be easy

CdnFox,

I entirely agree. We know about these places largely through "robots".

To do this, we did not send men - humans -to these various moons, planets. We sent devices with AI.

The two Voyagers are still sending info back to us. The original-coders are now dead but their children can fix problems. 

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Terraform? You lost me there.

We humans are not going to make Venus, Mars liveable.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, August1991 said:

Terraform? You lost me there.

We humans are not going to make Venus, Mars liveable.

we may or may not, but we COULD with venus. Mars would be a lot harder.  That was the point. 

[August1991]

On 9/4/2025 at 2:04 AM, CdnFox said:

we may or may not, but we COULD with venus. Mars would be a lot harder.  That was the point. 

Gimme a break.

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At great cost, a human traveled to the moon.  At much, much greater cost, a human can even travel to Mars.

No human will ever live on either the Moon or Mars. This is not the new world. So, what's the point?

Let's send robots with AI - we sent two Voyagers.

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

Gimme a break.

 

 

Sure, hold out your arm  

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

At great cost, a human traveled to the moon.  At much, much greater cost, a human can even travel to Mars.

No human will ever live on either the Moon or Mars. This is not the new world. So, what's the point?

Let's send robots with AI - we sent two Voyagers.

Both the Chinese and the Americans are planning permanent bases on the moon in the near future.

It's like you enjoy being wrong sometimes. Chances are there will be a permanent human settlements on the moon within the next 10 years. I would remind you that we have a permanently manned space station in orbit right now that has been manned for many years and that's actually harder to do than a base on the moon.

So there you go

[August1991]

On 9/15/2025 at 1:23 PM, CdnFox said:

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Both the Chinese and the Americans are planning permanent bases on the moon in the near future.

It's like you enjoy being wrong sometimes. Chances are there will be a permanent human settlements on the moon within the next 10 years. I would remind you that we have a permanently manned space station in orbit right now that has been manned for many years and that's actually harder to do than a base on the moon.

So there you go

1. Because of the Cold War, Kennedy sent men to the moon. The Cold War was a remnant of World War II - which was a direct consequence of 1914.

1a. No problem. Wars sometime inspire neat ideas. I reckon peace inspires more ideas.

2. China and America know very well that no one will ever live permanently on the moon.

2a. We now live in a world similar to 1914: A multi-polar world. 

3. Over multiple generations, we are well-designed to have the methods to survive in this environment. Humans are not designed to survive on the Moon, or Mars.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, August1991 said:

1. Because of the Cold War, Kennedy sent men to the moon. The Cold War was a remnant of World War II - which was a direct consequence of 1914.

1a. No problem. Wars sometime inspire neat ideas. I reckon peace inspires more ideas.

2. China and America know very well that no one will ever live permanently on the moon.

2a. We now live in a world similar to 1914: A multi-polar world. 

3. Over multiple generations, we are well-designed to have the methods to survive in this environment. Humans are not designed to survive on the Moon, or Mars.

Almost all of that is completely wrong. You've out done yourself

The only part you got right was that the cold war was partially why kennedy sent men to the moon. But virtually everything else was 100% wrong

[August1991]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

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The only part you got right was that the cold war was partially why kennedy sent men to the moon. But virtually everything else was 100% wrong

1. No human will ever live on Mars or the Moon.

2. China and America (Trump/Democrats) and Russia are involved in a stupid game, similar to Summer 1914.

3. We should send smart robots to figure out what happened on Venus.  

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, August1991 said:

1. No human will ever live on Mars or the Moon.

They are literally planning to do so even as we speak. In America this is called the Archimedes project and it isn't very far away from being ready to go

China and America are always involved in stupid games with all kinds of people. It is their natural state

We already know what happened on venus and there is absolutely no technology that could survive reaching the surface there that would be able to do anything but melt.

[Legato]

On 2/19/2025 at 3:15 AM, August1991 said:

No human will ever live on Mars. But we can send robots to Venus.

1. Mars has no magnetic shield. For humans, life on Mars is like living in a Microwave Oven. (To be more accurate, two microwave ovens -both with random controls.)

2. On Earth, it is cold at the top of Mount Everest. On Mars, the atmosphere is so thin that if your feet are 20 degrees, your head is well below zero.

3. Life on Earth has evolved for our changing environment.

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Rather than wasting the time of smart engineers to send a person to Mars, I think we should send robots to Venus and find out what happened there.

I reckon Venus can tell us more about life on our own planet Earth.

 

Men are from Mars

Women are from Venus.

Liberals are from Uranus.

[August1991]

3 hours ago, Legato said:

Men are from Mars

Women are from Venus.

Liberals are from Uranus.

LOL.

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I admire Elon.  But humans living on Mars?

Let's send robots to Venus and figure out what happened.

Fergawdsakes, let's pay for satellites with high precision cameras to see the potential asteroids.