Radiorum Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 15 minutes ago, User said: Nothing you have posted indicates they are made-up numbers I have found some answers that show Musk used these numbers falsely, and raise questions about his intent and duplicity. Elon Musk said he might have uncovered “the biggest fraud in history” when he found millions of people over age 100 listed in a Social Security database… … but a 2023 agency inspector general report found “almost none” of the 18.9 million people listed as 100 or older were receiving benefits… A Social Security list known as the “Numident” — which is what Musk is believed to be referring to — shows far more centenarians than are actually alive, but that doesn’t mean they’re being sent checks. The inspector general’s 2023 audit found that Social Security’s Numident included approximately 18.9 million people listed as 100 or older but not dead — far more than the 86,000 centenarians living in the U.S. at the time of the review. However, “almost none” of the 18.9 million were receiving Social Security payments, the report concluded. Instead, only 44,000 people over 100 were getting benefits — closer to the actual centenarian population. A separate 2015 audit of Social Security found just 3 confirmed instances of employment fraud in a sample of 6.5 million deceased individuals. O’Malley said the main fraud concern is when people call in and try to switch accounts, hijacking benefits from the living, not the dead. This all does not explain why Musk tried to pass off the Numident as evidence of massive fraud that he should have known didn’t exist. I'm not sure how you can believe anything he say. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 10 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Why would Ukraine have to invade Russia? Canadian fans picked this fight: But team USA threw the first punch. Who started it? The American started the fight. That's all there is to it. The hockey players on the ice didn't boo anyone, the Canadians didn't break any rules (fighting does), the americans are 100 percent the aggressors as far as the fight goes. If you want to go back, the americans still started it becuase of trump's unfair attack on Canada, so that caused the canadians to boo the anthem, and that caused the fight (which the americans lost as i underestand it) Or perhaps further? the americans invaded the soon-to-be canadian territories in 1812. So they started it. But canada was british colony and the british tried to kill the americans when they wanted to seperate from england so the Canadians started it. The Americans started the fight. They had other choices that were within the law. It could have Complained, or going to the media and shamed those people who called them out. They could choose to boycott future games in Canada. American fans could retaliate by booing the Canadian national anthem for games in America. All kinds of choices It was break the rules and instigate violence. That was 100% their choice, it is 100% their responsibility. That's how the world works, and when you Allow this kind of The past is at fault argument nobody is ever responsible for anything. This style of argument is known as a "but for" Argument and it is long since been discredited as being valid. "But for the Canadians booing the fight wouldn't have happened. But for the trade War the Canadians wouldn't have been booing. But for the fentanyl the Americans would never have started to trade war.... " etc etc The Americans started the fight. End of story Quote
CdnFox Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, Radiorum said: I have found some answers that show Musk used these numbers falsely, and raise questions about his intent and duplicity. Elon Musk said he might have uncovered “the biggest fraud in history” when he found millions of people over age 100 listed in a Social Security database… … but a 2023 agency inspector general report found “almost none” of the 18.9 million people listed as 100 or older were receiving benefits… A Social Security list known as the “Numident” — which is what Musk is believed to be referring to — shows far more centenarians than are actually alive, but that doesn’t mean they’re being sent checks. The inspector general’s 2023 audit found that Social Security’s Numident included approximately 18.9 million people listed as 100 or older but not dead — far more than the 86,000 centenarians living in the U.S. at the time of the review. However, “almost none” of the 18.9 million were receiving Social Security payments, the report concluded. Instead, only 44,000 people over 100 were getting benefits — closer to the actual centenarian population. A separate 2015 audit of Social Security found just 3 confirmed instances of employment fraud in a sample of 6.5 million deceased individuals. O’Malley said the main fraud concern is when people call in and try to switch accounts, hijacking benefits from the living, not the dead. This all does not explain why Musk tried to pass off the Numident as evidence of massive fraud that he should have known didn’t exist. I'm not sure how you can believe anything he say. Oh my god. You're making this too easy kid your link proves that he was right. Musk never said that any of these people were receiving government assistance. The article starts off by saying his numbers are absolutely correct. It then goes on to say but it doesn't prove something he never said. Honest to god. You have to learn to read and think about what you're reading. It took two seconds to realize your source proves what he said was correct and then it went on to try and disprove something he never claimed. But it is 100% true even according to your article that some or more of these people could be receiving checks and the system wouldn't know. Are you an American? It would really bother me to think that your level of thinking is the result of Canadian education systems Quote
Radiorum Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 57 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Not making a deal started the war. What more do you need to know? This reminds me of Putin's interview with Tucker Carlsen about a year ago, during which Putin blamed Poland for Hitler's invasion of them in 1939, as if justifying his own invasion. "Hitler just wanted to 'realize his plans' and Poland was 'uncooperative' and 'forced' Hitler to attack and start World War II, Putin said. "So, 1939, late August. "Hitler: Poland, we want to annex you, agree! "Poland: We don't agree, we are a sovereign state and will remain so. "Hitler: You force me to conquer you by force. I declare war against you. God knows, it's your fault! "And Putin says: Hitler had no choice but to start with Poland. In the interview, Putin stated, "The Poles forced, they played too long and forced Hitler to start World War II with them. Why did the war begin with Poland on September 1, 1939? "Poland was uncooperative. Hitler had nothing else to do in the realization of his plans but to start with Poland" *** So, I guess that is what happened between Putin and Ukraine. Putin: We want your country. Ukraine: No. Putin: Then we must invade you and it is all your fault! Quote
Radiorum Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: proves that he was right. he called it "the biggest fraud in history" - nothing right about that. That he misused the numbers is clear. Whether he did it because he is wholly incompetent at what he is supposed to be doing, or he knew it was more sh*t he could use to flood the zone, I will leave up to you ... during an Oval Office press conference, stating a “cursory examination of Social Security” revealed “crazy things.” “We’ve got people in there that are 150 years old,” Musk said on February 11. “Now, do you know anyone who’s 150? I don’t, OK. They should be in the Guinness Book of World Records. … I think they’re probably dead, is my guess, or they should be very famous, one of the two.” And you interpretation leaves me with the impression you did not read my entire post. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 5 minutes ago, Radiorum said: he called it "the biggest fraud in history" - nothing right about that. And yet nowhere did he say that all of the people on that list are collecting welfare. He never said anything like that. Which was your claim. He said there is widespread fraud. He is also said these numbers show just how out of whack and poorly managed the information systems are. He never said that these are the numbers of people that are committing fraud. So this started off with you just being wrong. Then instead of admitting that you've now tried to double down and are into the point where you just lying your ass off to try and recover some validity. Must never claimed that the numbers you presented are the numbers of people that are committing fraud. He has claimed that there are millions of people out there who are committing welfare fraud in one form or another and I have seen nothing at all that disputes that. In order to try and win what you do and what the paper you're quoting is doing is creating something he never said and arguing with that and trying to disprove it because you know you can't address the things he actually did say According to the government's own research before trump took over welfare fraud and benefit fraud is massive Improper welfare payments, including welfare fraud and abuse, are estimated to account for 9.2% of all federal welfare payments and total $101 billion in fiscal year 2023 So he's probably right. 100 billion is one of the bigger frauds schemes I've heard of. Are you done looking stupid yet? Did you want to keep going with this? 1 Quote
User Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 34 minutes ago, Radiorum said: I have found some answers that show Musk used these numbers falsely, OK, so, the point of discussion was the numbers being made up, not that you think they are being used falsely. Quote
CouchPotato Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 24 minutes ago, Radiorum said: he called it "the biggest fraud in history" - nothing right about that. 41 minutes ago, Radiorum said: Elon Musk said he might have uncovered “the biggest fraud in history” when he found millions of people over age 100 listed in a Social Security database… 2 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 35 minutes ago, Radiorum said: This reminds me of Putin's interview with Tucker Carlsen about a year ago, during which Putin blamed Poland for Hitler's invasion of them in 1939, as if justifying his own invasion. "Hitler just wanted to 'realize his plans' and Poland was 'uncooperative' and 'forced' Hitler to attack and start World War II, Putin said. "So, 1939, late August. "Hitler: Poland, we want to annex you, agree! "Poland: We don't agree, we are a sovereign state and will remain so. "Hitler: You force me to conquer you by force. I declare war against you. God knows, it's your fault! "And Putin says: Hitler had no choice but to start with Poland. In the interview, Putin stated, "The Poles forced, they played too long and forced Hitler to start World War II with them. Why did the war begin with Poland on September 1, 1939? "Poland was uncooperative. Hitler had nothing else to do in the realization of his plans but to start with Poland" *** So, I guess that is what happened between Putin and Ukraine. Putin: We want your country. Ukraine: No. Putin: Then we must invade you and it is all your fault! My point was that wars don't just start with tanks crossing a border. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
CouchPotato Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 51 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The American started the fight. That's all there is to it. The hockey players on the ice didn't boo anyone, the Canadians didn't break any rules (fighting does), the americans are 100 percent the aggressors as far as the fight goes. If you want to go back, the americans still started it becuase of trump's unfair attack on Canada, so that caused the canadians to boo the anthem, and that caused the fight (which the americans lost as i underestand it) Or perhaps further? the americans invaded the soon-to-be canadian territories in 1812. So they started it. But canada was british colony and the british tried to kill the americans when they wanted to seperate from england so the Canadians started it. The Americans started the fight. They had other choices that were within the law. It could have Complained, or going to the media and shamed those people who called them out. They could choose to boycott future games in Canada. American fans could retaliate by booing the Canadian national anthem for games in America. All kinds of choices It was break the rules and instigate violence. That was 100% their choice, it is 100% their responsibility. That's how the world works, and when you Allow this kind of The past is at fault argument nobody is ever responsible for anything. This style of argument is known as a "but for" Argument and it is long since been discredited as being valid. "But for the Canadians booing the fight wouldn't have happened. But for the trade War the Canadians wouldn't have been booing. But for the fentanyl the Americans would never have started to trade war.... " etc etc The Americans started the fight. End of story Then again, it was a hockey game between two rival teams and all this stuff going on, and given that this is par for the course in hockey games, I'd say hockey itself started the fight. Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 4 hours ago, Radiorum said: Their guiding principle is "Flood the zone with sh*t." Are you talking about Russian collusion narratives? Are you talking about sexual assault allegations that don't name a place, a month, or even a year? Or even an accuser? Are you talking about covid fear porn? Are you talking about blasting the population about the need to jab young people, even though they don't need to fear covid, and the jabs don't prevent them from spreading it? Sorry, you gotta be more clear: there are so many examples of overwhelming MSM propaganda campaigns. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Aristides Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 2 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Why would Ukraine have to invade Russia? Canadian fans picked this fight: But team USA threw the first punch. Who started it? Quote U.S. forward Brady Tkachuk, who fought Bennett as part of the mayhem, said he, brother Matthew and fellow U.S. forward J.T. Miller had a text conversation before the game about sending Canada a message. The fans had nothing to do with it. Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 31 minutes ago, Aristides said: The fans had nothing to do with it. That was his point. The fans aren't mad at Americans in general, the fans aren't even mad at Team USA players specifically: the fans are mad at Donald Tyrunt, and the US players took offence to all of the booing. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
gatomontes99 Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Aristides said: The fans had nothing to do with it. 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: That was his point. The fans aren't mad at Americans in general, the fans aren't even mad at Team USA players specifically: the fans are mad at Donald Tyrunt, and the US players took offence to all of the booing. The point is, wars don't start with a single event. They didn't decide to start fights in that game just because. They had reasons. Putin didn't just wake up and push a red button that said "Invade Ukraine." He had reasons. There are two sides to every story. Don't completely discount the other side, they might be right. Don't completely discount your side either. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Matthew Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 4 hours ago, CdnFox said: There are many many millions of people who are over the age of 150 on that list. Some as high as 300. Do you know a lot of 300-year-old people walking around? Elon Musk made a spreadsheet with made up information on it? I'm shocked. Quote
Aristides Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: That was his point. The fans aren't mad at Americans in general, the fans aren't even mad at Team USA players specifically: the fans are mad at Donald Tyrunt, and the US players took offence to all of the booing. True but the Americans had decided to start the fights before the game. I think Canadians are mad at Americans in general for putting that PoS in a position where he has this power. He told them exactly what he was going to do and they accepted it. Edited February 19 by Aristides Quote
CdnFox Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 2 hours ago, CouchPotato said: Then again, it was a hockey game between two rival teams and all this stuff going on, and given that this is par for the course in hockey games, I'd say hockey itself started the fight. LOL reminds me of that line from the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, where the Defense attourney argues that his clients aren't to blame, society is to blame and even society is not to blame, life itself is to blame and the real problem is life. The judge agrees and confiscates it from everyone in the courtroom. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 8 minutes ago, Matthew said: Elon Musk made a spreadsheet with made up information on it? I'm shocked. Actually I think it was provided by the government. Which is his point, it doesn't exactly give you faith in the system when the government's own records indicate that there's three or four million 150 year old people walking around out there. Quote
eyeball Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Why would Ukraine have to invade Russia? It's the only way anyone could conclude Ukraine started this war. It's on par with believing Canada is refusing to turn on some water tap that exists in Trump's imagination or that Marjorie Taylor-Green's Jewish space lasers start wildfires or vaccines cause autism. It's on par with believing America is run by a stable genius. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Matthew Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: Actually I think it was provided by the government. Really, where? Also who or what exactly IS the government right now? I can't tell which parts still exist or continue to have a function. Do we still have a Congress or did Elon get rid of that already? Quote
CdnFox Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 2 minutes ago, Matthew said: Really, where? In the article I posted it stated precisely where they came from. Can't remember the department off my head. The article from radiorum seems to corroborate that and say the numbers are accurate. Do not let your hatred and bigotry cause your mouth to run ahead of your brain The numbers themselves aren't really in question, they seem to be accepted. Quote Also who or what exactly IS the government right now? I can't tell which parts still exist or continue to have a function The same parts that have always been there and function are still there in function. Some government agencies have had their funding cut but government agencies are not the government. Holy hysterical theatre batman Quote Do we still have a Congress or did Elon get rid of that already? Well you do, but its still only wednesday so we'll see. Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 58 minutes ago, Aristides said: True but the Americans had decided to start the fights before the game. I think Canadians are mad at Americans in general for putting that PoS in a position where he has this power. Do you blame all Americans? Isn't that slightly retarded? Trump was a very good president the first time around, but this term has been nothing at all like the first. When you buy a Toyota Camry and get 500,000 km on it, you don't expect the next one to be a lemon. I don't think Americans voted to have Trump try to take over Canada. I'm just shocked that Americans aren't shocked or mad about it. Quote He told them exactly what he was going to do and they accepted it. Wait. What? You think Trump said something about this before the election? I didn't hear him talk about taking over the Panama Canal, annexing Canada, expelling all the Gazans and taking over that area, maybe using the military to take over Greenland, and/or strong-arming Ukraine out of $500B worth of minerals. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Aristides Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: Do you blame all Americans? Isn't that slightly retarded? Trump was a very good president the first time around, but this term has been nothing at all like the first. When you buy a Toyota Camry and get 500,000 km on it, you don't expect the next one to be a lemon. I don't think Americans voted to have Trump try to take over Canada. I'm just shocked that Americans aren't shocked or mad about it. Wait. What? You think Trump said something about this before the election? I didn't hear him talk about taking over the Panama Canal, annexing Canada, expelling all the Gazans and taking over that area, maybe using the military to take over Greenland, and/or strong-arming Ukraine out of $500B worth of minerals. Trump rambled on about Canada before he was elected including diverting its water. He tried to get Greenland in his first presidency. He was on record blaming Ukraine for the war and his coziness with Putin was always known to anyone paying attention. Trump is a predator, it should be no surprise that he would try to use Ukraine;s weakness to extort anything he could from them. He has followed Project 2025 almost to the letter. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: I don't think Americans voted to have Trump try to take over Canada. I'm just shocked that Americans aren't shocked or mad about it. I'm not really sure that it has sunk in with them. First off let's be real, Americans love their country and they believe that everybody else everywhere also wants to be American. Frankly I think for many of them annexing Canada sounds like something that they would want to have happen if they were Canadian. Secondly I think most of them still think of it as sort of more of an idea that's been floated rather than the insult and attack on our sovereignty the Canadians are seeing it as. More like "What are you guys think, you want to move in?" I think if trump actually picks a fight where things get serious americans might pipe up a little bit more. Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 20 Report Posted February 20 12 minutes ago, CdnFox said: I think if trump actually picks a fight where things get serious americans might pipe up a little bit more. I agree with most of what you said before that, but I think it's already serious. Calling the PMOC a governor is beyond insulting. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
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