U.S. Vice President, J.D. Vance, exposes the west's assault on religious freedom

[blackbird]

We know Europe and Canada have been moving against religious freedom, especially against Biblical Christianity.

This is nothing new.  It has been going on for a long time.

Examples are shown by the attitude and policies of the federal Liberals. 

Trudeau and Liberals have frequently defended the killing of the pre-born babies and defended a woman's right to choose abortion.

Canada is one of the few countries in the world that have no legal restrictions against abortion.

In 2016 the federal Liberals brought in medical assistance in dying, another anti-Christian law that has led to now over 16,000 deaths per year.

Canada teaches sexual orientation and gender identity to school children which is another perversion that is anti-Christian.

The woke/progressives DEI policies forced on government, the Canadian military, and many companies is another example of the shifting west.

Many liberals and left push the idea of multiculturalism which is just a cover meaning anti-Christian.  The west has historically been a Judeo-Christian civilization but has shifted away from that in recent decades.  The west has placed more emphasis on mass immigration from the third world and Muslim countries.  This has led to all kinds of problems.  Now we are witnessing repeated demonstrations and anti-Semitic attacks against Jews and their places of worship.  Even our own Liberal government is basically anti-Semitic.  There is a news item in the last day pointing this out.

So J.D. Vance's speech in Europe about the movement against Christianity in the west should come as no surprise and would be another reason to cause the Trump administration to oppose the direction the west is heading and especially be critical of their next door neighbour, Canada.

 

Edited February 16 by blackbird

[Barquentine]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

We know Europe and Canada have been moving against religious freedom, especially against Biblical Christianity.

Oh yeah, and don't forget the "War on Christmas". Has anyone ever told you you couldn't go to the church of your choice, worship the god of your choice? NO they haven't!

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Oh yeah, and don't forget the "War on Christmas". Has anyone ever told you you couldn't go to the church of your choice, worship the god of your choice? NO they haven't!

That is not what I said.   I said the Liberal-left policies, laws, and attitudes are in many ways anti-Christian.  We see that in many policies in the woke/progressive's policies and governing.  This has nothing to do with what church anyone can attend.  There is much more to society and life in a country.

One example is after the alleged residential school children cemeteries were broadcast by the media, even though it was never proven they were cemeteries of residential school children and never proven how they died, there were actually many churches in Canada vandalized and even burned down.  In fact, it is not even known if anyone is buried there or if they are anomalies or rocks detected by the radar equipment.  The Liberal-left said little to nothing about that.

Edited February 16 by blackbird

[blackbird]

19 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Has anyone ever told you you couldn't go to the church of your choice, worship the god of your choice? NO they haven't!

Nice diversion.  It has nothing to do with having the church of choice.   It is everything to do with people who run the country with anti-Christian attitudes, laws, and policies.  Look in the mirror.

[Barquentine]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Nice diversion.

What diversion? We all have freedom of religion. What anti-christian laws, what anti-christian policies are you talking about?

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nice diversion.  It has nothing to do with having the church of choice.   It is everything to do with people who run the country with anti-Christian attitudes, laws, and policies.  Look in the mirror.

You should follow your own advice. Secularism is to prevent being run by Christians, especially ones with your attitude.

Freedom FROM religion is even more important and if you think you're under assault now just try taking that away and see what happens.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Barquentine said:

What diversion? We all have freedom of religion. What anti-christian laws, what anti-christian policies are you talking about?

I listed the subjects which are involved in anti-Christian laws and policies in the original post. 

[Michael Hardner]

https://wisconsinwatch.org/2025/02/elon-musk-calls-for-cutting-funds-to-lutheran-groups-including-in-wisconsin/

 

Elon Musk has cut Lutheran and Catholic aid groups from the funding they use to help people.

[blackbird]

52 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You should follow your own advice. Secularism is to prevent being run by Christians, especially ones with your attitude.

Freedom FROM religion is even more important and if you think you're under assault now just try taking that away and see what happens.

You are one to speak!  There is no doubt you support all the evil going on by governments.  You can't see any kind of better country.

[Radiorum]

You are not asking for religious freedom. You are asking to impose the religion of some on the many.

[ironstone]

8 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You are not asking for religious freedom. You are asking to impose the religion of some on the many.

There is a religion that is heavy handed in that way but it's not Christianity. It's a religion that does not tolerate criticism in any way and often responds with extreme violence to such criticism.

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You are not asking for religious freedom. You are asking to impose the religion of some on the many.

The Judeo-Christian principles of a God-fearing society are not a "religion" per se.  The concept means a society that respects certain age old principles such as respect for human life, respect for the family structure as God created it, a justice system that punishes the guilty and protects the innocent, maintains law and order, and respects individual freedoms, in contrast to authoritarianism and Socialism.  Canada does not respect these basic principles, in varying degrees in many areas.

[herbie]

They're all against his freedom to impose his religion on everyone else.To the extend of requiring that shit in schools.

JD Vance is as dangerous as Trump he just hasn't shown signs of mental impairment and total lack of ethics like Donnie Diapers yet.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Freedom FROM religion is even more important

I am not suggesting a certain "religion" become a state religion.   I am talking about all the woke-progressive policies and laws that are actually anti-Christian and destructive to society.  These woke/liberal/left laws and policies are nihilistic.  They actually are destroying society.  I listed some of them in the original post.

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There is no doubt you support all the evil going on by governments.  You can't see any kind of better country.

Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name....(whoo-hoo)... (whoo-hoo)...

8 minutes ago, herbie said:

JD Vance is as dangerous as Trump he just hasn't shown signs of mental impairment and total lack of ethics like Donnie Diapers yet.

That probably makes him even more dangerous - he's better at hiding it....(whoo-hoo)....(whoo-hoo)

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I am not suggesting a certain "religion" become a state religion.   I am talking about all the woke-progressive policies and laws that are actually anti-Christian and destructive to society.  These woke/liberal/left laws and policies are nihilistic.  They actually are destroying society.  I listed some of them in the original post.

Pray for us.

[Radiorum]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The Judeo-Christian principles of a God-fearing society are not a "religion" per se.

Do you hear yourself?

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The concept means a society that respects certain age old principles such as respect for human life, respect for the family structure as God created it, a justice system that punishes the guilty and protects the innocent, maintains law and order, and respects individual freedoms, in contrast to authoritarianism and Socialism. 

You do not need God to have a society that guarantees respect for life, a fair justice system, law and order, and freedoms.

 

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name....(whoo-hoo)... (whoo-hoo)..

Since you support the Liberal/NDP type of governments, then you are part of problem.  That is what is destroying the country.  With the Liberals running the government, we have soft-on-crime policies and laws.   A man was stabbed and the suspect was arrested and released by a judge the same day before the victim even got out of the hospital.  That's how bad things have become.

[Barquentine]

32 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I listed the subjects which are involved in anti-Christian laws and policies in the original post. 

You didn't cite any laws or policies affecting your freedom. No one's forcing you to have an abortion, or end your life, or anything else. You just listed things you don't like.

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You do not need God to have a society that guarantees respect for life, a fair justice system, law and order, and freedoms.

If there are no absolutes then how does a government or society know what is right or wrong?

3 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

You didn't cite any laws or policies affecting your freedom. No one's forcing you to have an abortion, or end your life, or anything else. You just listed things you don't like.

Ah but those things I listed do affect all of society.  One example is the soft-on-crime policies and laws of the Liberal government.  Nobody is safe in the cities because criminals often don't go to jail and serious dangerous offenders are out on the streets.

I met a man the other day who carries a can of bear spray for self protection.  That's not how society should be.

Edited February 17 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

Nobody replied to my post? 

 

Bullseye! 

 

An inconvenient Truth has been found...

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://wisconsinwatch.org/2025/02/elon-musk-calls-for-cutting-funds-to-lutheran-groups-including-in-wisconsin/

 

Elon Musk has cut Lutheran and Catholic aid groups from the funding they use to help people.

But this is funding from taxes that previous  governments stole from people. I thought we settled the difference between charity and the receipt of stolen property in another thread, not to mention the Bible.

I notice taxpayers are still perfectly free to give however. Praise Elon for that I guess.

Now if he took the tax deduction for that away would that be an assault on religion or just being mean?

Edited February 17 by eyeball

[Radiorum]

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If there are no absolutes then how does a government or society know what is right or wrong?

This is a very interesting question, but I am not sure I accept its premise - that without God/religion there are no absolutes. I think a great many atheists would agree it is wrong to murder another, for example. 

I am reminded about something I read that an Indian elder said way back in the 18th century. "You whites need a Big Book to tell you what is right and what is wrong. But right and wrong is engraved upon our hearts."

To assume that a disbelief in God amounts to not knowing what is right and what is wrong is faulty at best. To know right from wrong what you need is empathy. Empathy does not rely upon religion. Indeed, religion in the US has led to many hateful actions against the vulnerable:

 

 

[blackbird]

27 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

that without God/religion there are no absolutes. I think a great many atheists would agree it is wrong to murder another, for example. 

You gave a well thought-out reply.

"19  Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. {in them: or, to them} 20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"  Romans 1:19, 20 KJV

Yes man is born with a conscience which does to some extent, in some people, tell the some things that are right and wrong.  However, the conscience is a very limited basis and not at all adequate as a rule of life.  

That is why God gave mankind his written revelation, in English, the King James Bible.

There are many things that the conscience does not provide direction for.  That is why we need righteous governments and the Bible.  But how the government operates is where the problem is.  Also what young people are taught in school is important and what parents teach them.

27 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I am reminded about something I read that an Indian elder said way back in the 18th century. "You whites need a Big Book to tell you what is right and what is wrong. But right and wrong is engraved upon our hearts."

Unfortunately, aboriginals did not have the Bible and the knowledge from it so they lived in very uncivilized barbaric societies.  They certainly did not know what the Bible would define as right and wrong.  Often it is difficult to find the details of the many things they did, but most people must know that much of it was not good.  You may be able to find out by searching the internet but it might not be easy to find.

27 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

To assume that a disbelief in God amounts to not knowing what is right and what is wrong is faulty at best. To know right from wrong what you need is empathy.

Empathy may be a useful thing but it is not a guide on what is right or wrong.   The Bible does tell us in the first part of Genesis that man rebelled against God and as a consequence received a fallen, corrupt nature.  This was passed down to all of humanity.  The result is the Bible says the human heart is deceitful and wicked.  Whether one is an atheist or not, he still is born with this corrupt human heart.  That is the problem is a nutshell.  The Bible gives the solution to that.

Any society that ignores all that is on downward trajectory.  That's where society is now.

Edited February 17 by blackbird

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Indeed, religion in the US has led to many hateful actions against the vulnerable:

I wouldn't support hateful actions against anybody.  I don't think a lot of Bible-believing Christians would support hateful actions.  Hateful actions is not what the Bible teaches.  That kind of thing exists among a fringe of society.  We have those kind of fringes in every shade of political group.