Nationalist Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: it's like when dogs roll over and whimper after a bigger dog roughs them up, that's the first thing i always think when you try to blame your stupidity on my post count "Snif! You're right but ...but... but.... POST COUNT! waaaaaah!!" LOL Never change big guy The one currently happening between Canada and the united states. It would be rather silly of you to pretend you hadn't heard of it. United states has launched a trade war with many nations including Canada. New tariffs are in place threats of additional tariffs if any action is taken are in place, So on and so forth. This is what a trade war looks like So far I hear threats and see 2 international tariffs that would be of concern. Steel and Aluminum. That's it. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted February 18 Author Report Posted February 18 17 minutes ago, Nationalist said: So far I hear threats and see 2 international tariffs that would be of concern. Steel and Aluminum. That's it. And? What do you THINK a trade war looks like? Is already created significant fluctuations in the market, affected prices in America and will quickly affect prices and jobs in Canada, it's resulted in Canada spending a billion at the border (and for nothing it seems like) and we're just beginning. This is very obviously a trade war. Jobs and economies will be severely impacted, and it very likely will get far worse. So if you were unaware, consider this your being advised. This is a trade war. It will very likely become a very bad trade war before the dust settles. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 19 minutes ago, Nationalist said: So far I hear threats and see 2 international tariffs that would be of concern. Steel and Aluminum. That's it. Okay but isn't it worth hearing all the lobbies screaming "AAAIIIEEEE, WE'RE ALL GONNNAA DIIIEEEE!" giving you a raging case of the shits and giggles? It's hilarious listening to you chide Canadian chuds for blanching in the face of the Orange One's wrath. Stay the course! LMAO! Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 4 minutes ago, CdnFox said: And? What do you THINK a trade war looks like? Is already created significant fluctuations in the market, affected prices in America and will quickly affect prices and jobs in Canada, it's resulted in Canada spending a billion at the border (and for nothing it seems like) and we're just beginning. This is very obviously a trade war. Jobs and economies will be severely impacted, and it very likely will get far worse. So if you were unaware, consider this your being advised. This is a trade war. It will very likely become a very bad trade war before the dust settles. Ya...well this I'll believe when I see it. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 20 minutes ago, eyeball said: Okay but isn't it worth hearing all the lobbies screaming "AAAIIIEEEE, WE'RE ALL GONNNAA DIIIEEEE!" giving you a raging case of the shits and giggles? It's hilarious listening to you chide Canadian chuds for blanching in the face of the Orange One's wrath. Stay the course! LMAO! I'll react when there's something to react to. You'll freakout because that's what you do best. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
eyeball Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I'll react when there's something to react to. You'll freakout because that's what you do best. In the meantime I'll keep LMAO! Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted February 18 Report Posted February 18 13 minutes ago, eyeball said: In the meantime I'll keep LMAO! You do that. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: Ya...well this I'll believe when I see it. You're seeing it. As it is there's a countdown clock for heavy tariffs if we don't come to an agreement with trump, are people are in the middle of trying to find a solution right now. The tariffs are in place right now for steel already. I mean I'm not sure what you are looking for or what you think a trade war looks like but I assure you this is a trade war Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 11 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You're seeing it. As it is there's a countdown clock for heavy tariffs if we don't come to an agreement with trump, are people are in the middle of trying to find a solution right now. The tariffs are in place right now for steel already. I mean I'm not sure what you are looking for or what you think a trade war looks like but I assure you this is a trade war Steel is tariffed globally. Not just on us. None of the other threats have come to pass. Until war is declared there's no war. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
CdnFox Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 Just now, Nationalist said: Steel is tariffed globally. Not just on us. None of the other threats have come to pass. Until war is declared there's no war. As i said he's starting trade wars with a number of people. And yes his threat did come to pass. "Do this or i will do that". Which forced us to do "this". which was spend extra billions at the border. That has happened. ANd right now we're negotiating under the threat of additional tarrifs, whether they happen or not that threat is real and impacts that negotiaton. You think we're going to get a BETTER deal than we had? Even the threat drives investment in canada away. The threat alone will negatively impact our economy. Not to mention it managed to give legs back to the liberal party and destabilize our political situation. This is a thing. Its happening. It is right this very second costing us money and jobs and money and economic opportunity. If nothing else happens we're still worse off than we were before and that's before the trade negotiations are finished. Stocks have been impacted on both sides of the border. Now i'm not that upset at the billion or so we're spending on the border just because i think we should have been beefing that up more anyway. But this is the real thing, and it's already having a very significant effect on us. And that will colour our negotiations for a peaceful settlement. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Nationalist Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: As i said he's starting trade wars with a number of people. And yes his threat did come to pass. "Do this or i will do that". Which forced us to do "this". which was spend extra billions at the border. That has happened. ANd right now we're negotiating under the threat of additional tarrifs, whether they happen or not that threat is real and impacts that negotiaton. You think we're going to get a BETTER deal than we had? Even the threat drives investment in canada away. The threat alone will negatively impact our economy. Not to mention it managed to give legs back to the liberal party and destabilize our political situation. This is a thing. Its happening. It is right this very second costing us money and jobs and money and economic opportunity. If nothing else happens we're still worse off than we were before and that's before the trade negotiations are finished. Stocks have been impacted on both sides of the border. Now i'm not that upset at the billion or so we're spending on the border just because i think we should have been beefing that up more anyway. But this is the real thing, and it's already having a very significant effect on us. And that will colour our negotiations for a peaceful settlement. Again...there's no trade war. A peaceful settlement? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
xul Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 Trying to say something seriously: Emergency power is like the emergency clinic in a hospital. It should only be used under emergency situations. It isn't the best way to solve chronic problems. For example: Uncle Sam gets a stroke and becomes unconscious after a prolonged war game playing on his XBox Series X😢. So an ambulance carries him to an emergency clinic and Dr. Obama brings him back with a medicine called EXECUTIVE ORDER.😜 Of course the root causes of Uncle Sam's sickness are some chronic diseases like hypertension and arteriosclerosis. But being obsessed by the quick effect of EXECUTIVE ORDER to treat his stroke, Uncle Sam goes to the emergency clinic routinely and demands Dr. Trump, Dr. Biden...there to prescribe him EXECUTIVE ORDER to treat these chronic diseases. I think I needn't to continue the story since everyone is asking "What's wrong with this Uncle Sam?"😂 Just like Uncle Sam, the problems caused by, or more precisely revealed by Trump's tariff threat, include two parts. One part is emergency but relatively easy to solve, like some workers may lose their jobs, some businesses may suffer financial losses. But another part, the chronic one, like most Canadian companies lack diversity of the market of their products, it can't be solved easily by some emergency measures. It may need not only government but also everyone to work hard on them and make sacrifice to address them. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Again...there's no trade war. A peaceful settlement? You might as well say there's no war in Ukraine or no conflict in Gaza. I mean there's just no debating this. We are in the middle of a trade war which is already had some substantial impacts on our country with a clock ticking down traditional tariffs which will cripple our economy if we don't find a resolution. I don't know what else to tell you. If you want to close your eyes and say that the sun rises in the west and the sun isn't hot there's nothing I can do to stop you. Off you go Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
CdnFox Posted February 19 Author Report Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, xul said: Trying to say something seriously: Emergency power is like the emergency clinic in a hospital. It should only be used under emergency situations. It isn't the best way to solve chronic problems. For example: Uncle Sam gets a stroke and becomes unconscious after a prolonged war game playing on his XBox Series X😢. So an ambulance carries him to an emergency clinic and Dr. Obama brings him back with a medicine called EXECUTIVE ORDER.😜 I think you drifted off a little bit there. There's no doubt that you started off well but appear to have gotten confused. Executive orders aren't emergency powers by any stretch of the imagination. They're exactly the same as our orders and council here in Canada, they are necessary part of everyday politics and keeping the country running. The challenge in the states more than in Canada is tat the Office of the president has been more and more trying to steal power from the houses and get away with doing more and more by executive order, far beyond what was likely originally intended. But that has nothing to do with emergency powers 7 minutes ago, xul said: Of course the root causes of Uncle Sam's sickness are some chronic diseases like hypertension and arteriosclerosis. But being obsessed by the quick effect of EXECUTIVE ORDER to treat his stroke, Uncle Sam goes to the emergency clinic routinely and demands Dr. Trump, Dr. Biden...there to prescribe him EXECUTIVE ORDER to treat these chronic diseases. Yeah, that's not accurate. First off I think you need to drop the health metaphor but on top of it all as I said executive orders are a normal part of everyday business for the government. There are tons of executive orders that are 100% legitimate same as we do orders in council here in Canada 8 minutes ago, xul said: Just like Uncle Sam, the problems caused by, or more precisely revealed by Trump's tariff threat, include two parts. One part is emergency but relatively easy to solve, like some workers may lose their jobs, some businesses may suffer financial losses. But another part, the chronic one, like most Canadian companies lack diversity of the market of their products, it can't be solved easily by some emergency measures. It may need not only government but also everyone to work hard on them and make sacrifice to address them. well.... i mean most of that is kind of gibberish to be honest But the bit about needing to get our businesses to "diversify" is accurate. And i'm assuming what you mean is improve their competitiveness. That is absolutely true. The problem is that costs money and there has to be a market. So what the fed gov't absolutely desperately needs to do is take steps to give business the confidence to invest in Canada, upgrade machinery, and try new products or ideas. And that will definitely include smashing down interprovincial trade barriers which will mean working with and motivating the hell out of the provinces one way or another. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
eyeball Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 6 hours ago, Nationalist said: You do that. So is it only a coincidence that the guy who just rubber stamped Putin's annexation of his neighbour is threatening to annex his neighbour? Apparently we're even a threat and everything too. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Nationalist Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 6 hours ago, CdnFox said: You might as well say there's no war in Ukraine or no conflict in Gaza. I mean there's just no debating this. We are in the middle of a trade war which is already had some substantial impacts on our country with a clock ticking down traditional tariffs which will cripple our economy if we don't find a resolution. I don't know what else to tell you. If you want to close your eyes and say that the sun rises in the west and the sun isn't hot there's nothing I can do to stop you. Off you go If the threatened tariffs become a reality, then I'll be concerned. But I'm not gonna just freak out over threats. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
West Posted February 19 Report Posted February 19 The abuse of emergency powers has caused a great deal of trauma to the Canadian people Quote
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