Army Guy Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 Police are telling the media that Mexican drug cartels are THRIVING in Canada, but how can that be, our PM and the Liberal party have repeatedly said our borders are safe it's mexico that is the problem...Not sure what it is going to take for Canadians to see through the lies this present government is telling....First is was CBSA telling us our bad our border security was, now RCMP are telling us the Cartels are thriving here in our country....And most Canadians believe this Liberal propaganda, because our southern neighbors have threaten us fix it or face tariffs...that's what their pissed off about being TOLD to fix it....a problem that this liberal government refused to fix over their reign of power...like most things kicked it to the curb for someone else to fix... What we should be pissed off about is the federal government failure to protect us and our families form these cartels...and why did we have to wait for our neighbors to say something before we decided to take action....these points is what we should be pissed off about.... Mexican drug cartels ‘thriving’ in Canada, police and analysts say | Watch Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
NAME REMOVED Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 There are far more Mexican drug cartels operating in the United States than Canada, but that does not fit your narrative. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: Police are telling the media that Mexican drug cartels are THRIVING in Canada, the Government of Canada has declared them to be terrorist organizations thus making them subject to military force in Aid to the Civil Power there is no Posse Comitatus in HM Dominion of Canada deploy the National Mission Force therein Communications Security Establishment ( CSE ) Canadian Armed Forces Cyber Command ( CYBERCOM ) Canadian Special Operations Force Command ( CANSOFCOM ) unleash JTF2 & JTF-X / CJIRU & CSOR Viam Inveniemus 1 Quote
eyeball Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: the Government of Canada has declared them to be terrorist organizations thus making them subject to military force in Aid to the Civil Power there is no Posse Comitatus in HM Dominion of Canada Pffft...Pu ssie Comitatus... There's not too much concern for what pussies in the Philippines think. The Philippine government claims their death squads have killed well over 6000 drug suspects since 2016. Up to 30000 civilians were probably killed too but this is war and as everyone but a puss y knows collateral damage just is what it is. I'm sure Canadians will understand. 5 hours ago, Army Guy said: What we should be pissed off about is the federal government failure to protect us and our families form these cartels...and why did we have to wait for our neighbors to say something before we decided to take action.... Too bad our neighbours are complete pussi es too when it comes to waging a war against the demand side of the market for drugs. It's a little odd that conservatives like to believe they're champions of market-based solutions to problems but that said they were more than happy to also wage a fruitless, costly and deadly war on alcohol for years and years. Edited February 8 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 27 minutes ago, eyeball said: Pffft...Pu ssie Comitatus... the monarchy is Canada's sword & shield the authority to make war against the enemies of the British Crown in North America therein to include upon Canadian soil as necessary Defence of Canada in Aid to the Civil Power OSONS Quote
Army Guy Posted February 9 Author Report Posted February 9 7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: There are far more Mexican drug cartels operating in the United States than Canada, but that does not fit your narrative. Typical leftist response ....but sir mexico is bad , you should be picking on them....but sir only 1 % of fentanyl is coming from Canada....Canada does not have a drug problem....lets not admit our problems that have flourished under liberal control...lets not man the f&ck up and try to solve that problem i mean it is our kids that are dying right....screw them the left says it's going to cut into our social programs...and free drugs....We have tried your narrative for 8 plus years it has gotten us no wheres...So buckle up and watch how the conservatives do business. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
PIK Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Typical leftist response ....but sir mexico is bad , you should be picking on them....but sir only 1 % of fentanyl is coming from Canada....Canada does not have a drug problem....lets not admit our problems that have flourished under liberal control...lets not man the f&ck up and try to solve that problem i mean it is our kids that are dying right....screw them the left says it's going to cut into our social programs...and free drugs....We have tried your narrative for 8 plus years it has gotten us no wheres...So buckle up and watch how the conservatives do business. If we form the next Gov. Election interference is going to a problem. 1 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
eyeball Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 18 minutes ago, Army Guy said: We have tried your narrative for 8 plus years it has gotten us no wheres...So buckle up and watch how the conservatives do business. You mean Conservatives like Stephen Harper cracking down and getting tough or conservatives like Marcos and Duterte disappearing dealers and users? In any case see you in 8 years or probably closer to 4. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
NAME REMOVED Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Typical leftist response ....but sir mexico is bad , you should be picking on them....but sir only 1 % of fentanyl is coming from Canada....Canada does not have a drug problem....lets not admit our problems that have flourished under liberal control...lets not man the f&ck up and try to solve that problem i mean it is our kids that are dying right....screw them the left says it's going to cut into our social programs...and free drugs....We have tried your narrative for 8 plus years it has gotten us no wheres...So buckle up and watch how the conservatives do business. Can you take a photo of your military uniform, and upload it to the forum? Quote
Army Guy Posted February 9 Author Report Posted February 9 14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: Can you take a photo of your military uniform, and upload it to the forum? I retired in 2014, and did not keep my uniform, nor did i keep my mess kit...Did you keep your clown suit when you retired.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted February 9 Report Posted February 9 On 2/8/2025 at 11:35 AM, Army Guy said: Police are telling the media that Mexican drug cartels are THRIVING in Canada, but how can that be, our PM and the Liberal party have repeatedly said our borders are safe it's mexico that is the problem...Not sure what it is going to take for Canadians to see through the lies this present government is telling....First is was CBSA telling us our bad our border security was, now RCMP are telling us the Cartels are thriving here in our country....And most Canadians believe this Liberal propaganda, because our southern neighbors have threaten us fix it or face tariffs...that's what their pissed off about being TOLD to fix it....a problem that this liberal government refused to fix over their reign of power...like most things kicked it to the curb for someone else to fix... What we should be pissed off about is the federal government failure to protect us and our families form these cartels...and why did we have to wait for our neighbors to say something before we decided to take action....these points is what we should be pissed off about.... Mexican drug cartels ‘thriving’ in Canada, police and analysts say | Watch Cartels, be it Mexican, Venezuelan, Columbian etc are thriving in all countries of the world. The issue with drugs into Canada are minuscule when compared to getting into Florida alone. Yes, Canada can tighten the borders but really, Canada has customers for the products and we even give it away for free and provide safe places to take them. I would not jump only on the liberal....Harper had the same problems and don't do anything either. All the political leaders are now saying they will do something under the threat of Trump but Trump has a far larger issue with drug infestation. Trump is hiding his illegal alien problem with threats against Canada and supposed drug infiltration. Most of the drugs (or components of the drugs) come form China and India. We assemble the drugs right here already. In my opinion, drugs is a red herring for Trump and illegal immigrants is the real issue. 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Army Guy Posted February 10 Author Report Posted February 10 22 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Cartels, be it Mexican, Venezuelan, Columbian etc are thriving in all countries of the world. The issue with drugs into Canada are minuscule when compared to getting into Florida alone. Yes, Canada can tighten the borders but really, Canada has customers for the products and we even give it away for free and provide safe places to take them. I would not jump only on the liberal....Harper had the same problems and don't do anything either. All the political leaders are now saying they will do something under the threat of Trump but Trump has a far larger issue with drug infestation. Trump is hiding his illegal alien problem with threats against Canada and supposed drug infiltration. Most of the drugs (or components of the drugs) come form China and India. We assemble the drugs right here already. In my opinion, drugs is a red herring for Trump and illegal immigrants is the real issue. OK so why are we complaining about taking these now terrorists out of play, investing more into our own safety.... Why are you trying to downplay the amount of drugs being produced right here in Canada...45,000 Canadians have died from this one drug alone since 2016...Thats 22 persons a day, the other source i posted from the RCMP says cartel gangs are well established in Canada and producing enough fentanyl for canada and it is exporting it to the US, and european markets as well as Australia.... https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2024/06/statement-from-the-minister-of-mental-health-and-addictions-and-associate-minister-of-health-on-the-overdose-crisis.html Well harper did nothing as well ....this excuse is getting old for a few reasons, Liberals have had 8 years to make any changes they wanted to....8 plus years they did nothing...and it was not becasue harper did nothing it was becasue they made that choice...next Fentanyl was not a major problem back then... Well since CBSA has already said they can only check or scan 1 % of all truck and containers coming into Canada if we invested more than the 1.38 we said we would we could stop all of these precursors' from coming into the country....we could make a huge dent in that problem....but it is only 45,000 Canadians, that have died, only 22 per day....what is the number we need to get to before our government and citizens demand we take some action That's the question we need to ask...If we can't spend money on defending ourselves or protecting citizens from organized crime What is the point of paying taxes?....what is the point of this union when it can't provide basic services? 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
ExFlyer Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: OK so why are we complaining about taking these now terrorists out of play, investing more into our own safety.... Why are you trying to downplay the amount of drugs being produced right here in Canada...45,000 Canadians have died from this one drug alone since 2016...Thats 22 persons a day, the other source i posted from the RCMP says cartel gangs are well established in Canada and producing enough fentanyl for canada and it is exporting it to the US, and european markets as well as Australia.... https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2024/06/statement-from-the-minister-of-mental-health-and-addictions-and-associate-minister-of-health-on-the-overdose-crisis.html Well harper did nothing as well ....this excuse is getting old for a few reasons, Liberals have had 8 years to make any changes they wanted to....8 plus years they did nothing...and it was not becasue harper did nothing it was becasue they made that choice...next Fentanyl was not a major problem back then... Well since CBSA has already said they can only check or scan 1 % of all truck and containers coming into Canada if we invested more than the 1.38 we said we would we could stop all of these precursors' from coming into the country....we could make a huge dent in that problem....but it is only 45,000 Canadians, that have died, only 22 per day....what is the number we need to get to before our government and citizens demand we take some action That's the question we need to ask...If we can't spend money on defending ourselves or protecting citizens from organized crime What is the point of paying taxes?....what is the point of this union when it can't provide basic services? Whoa whoa there Army Guy. Who is complaining?? I did not in any way "downplay" drugs made in Canada. What I did say is there are customers so, they will get it from the retailer, whomever they may be. Harper or Trudeau snr, Chretien, Mulroney etc etc all have never been able to curb drug use, let alone importation or manufacturing. If you somehow think this will change, you are far more naive than I expect from a person like yourself. Billions of dollars have been spent on drug interdiction and what resulted from it?? Oh yeah, instead of addiction assistance we have safe injection sites and give free drugs and allow illegal drugs to be bought and sold without consequence. We have never defended ourselves form organized crime, be it mafia and their drug dealings of asian gangs and their activities. None of this is new. Opioids are just the latest drug, before that is was opium dens, amphetamine, speed, meth, heroin. cocaine. Drugs and use or misuse of them is in human nature. I am talking Canada....the US has spent billions and is worse now than ever. So, don't preach...humans will take drugs and get them from whomever and suppliers will deliver. Edited February 10 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
eyeball Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 (edited) 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: Well since CBSA has already said they can only check or scan 1 % of all truck and containers coming into Canada if we invested more than the 1.38 we said we would we could stop all of these precursors' from coming into the country....we could make a huge dent in that problem....but it is only 45,000 Canadians, that have died, only 22 per day... Let's do the math here. Scanning 7 million containers per year at an average cost of $3500 each = $24.5 billion dollars to save 8000 people per year is around $3 million each. But let's say we're actually trying to save 350,000 Canadians who are addicted to opioids...that works out to $70,000 each. 4 hours ago, Army Guy said: ....what is the number we need to get to before our government and citizens demand we take some action That's the question we need to ask... How much are you willing to pay? Edited February 10 by eyeball 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 10 Author Report Posted February 10 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Whoa whoa there Army Guy. Who is complaining?? I did not in any way "downplay" drugs made in Canada. What I did say is there are customers so, they will get it from the retailer, whomever they may be. Harper or Trudeau snr, Chretien, Mulroney etc etc all have never been able to curb drug use, let alone importation or manufacturing. If you somehow think this will change, you are far more naive than I expect from a person like yourself. Billions of dollars have been spent on drug interdiction and what resulted from it?? Oh yeah, instead of addiction assistance we have safe injection sites and give free drugs and allow illegal drugs to be bought and sold without consequence. We have never defended ourselves form organized crime, be it mafia and their drug dealings of asian gangs and their activities. None of this is new. Opioids are just the latest drug, before that is was opium dens, amphetamine, speed, meth, heroin. cocaine. Drugs and use or misuse of them is in human nature. I am talking Canada....the US has spent billions and is worse now than ever. So, don't preach...humans will take drugs and get them from whomever and suppliers will deliver. You are down playing like almost everyone else in Canada your message is it has been like this for decades why do we need to do anything, the war on drugs was a failure....is that about right... These drug cartels have or will be deemed terrorist, this is the highest threat level we have, meaning they can use military assets to hunt these bad guys down, we have never had this before, other than at sea...That and we have a crazy man in the white house who is going to unleash his SOF forces on cartels shortly...Is that going to make a change, who knows but something is going to happen that does not make me naive... Yes billions have been spent on Drug enforcement, but since then drugs have become more deadly than ever, with mere milligrams enough to kill....that 42 lbs of fentanyl seize was enough to kill 9.5 million people, and we only check 1 % of all trucks and containers entering into Canada...even i can do the math here...thats a hell of a lot more than everyone is making it out to be... SO i guess we give up , bury our heads in the sand....we can't do anything about trump but the left is hell bent on taking that on, but lets draw a line in the sand and say no to drug cartels and gangs...where fentanyl takes 22 people a day, and that number is only getting bigger... I'm not preaching , i don't understand why we as a nation did not just agree to the orange guy Yes we will tighten up our war on drugs, put some funding towards that, instead we dug our heels in and want those tariffs...just on principle how dare he threaten us...And your reasoning is well humans are going to take drugs anyways just let them , it thins the herd sort of... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 10 Author Report Posted February 10 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Let's do the math here. Scanning 7 million containers per year at an average cost of $3500 each = $24.5 billion dollars to save 8000 people per year is around $3 million each. But let's say we're actually trying to save 350,000 Canadians who are addicted to opioids...that works out to $70,000 each. How much are you willing to pay? So what your saying is every life has a value, for you and your kind it is less than 8000.00....Liberals have not once meet spending targets this year alone they blew past it by 60 Billion dollars, enough to scan everything in this country....Don't tell me the left are concerned with spending money...i mean we have the last 8 plus years as an example.... This is the type of thinking that has ruined our military, it is cheaper to bury our volunteer soldiers than it is to proper equip them....now drug addicts are priced even lower than that....How much are you willing to pay if these addicts were a family member.... How much am i willing to pay, whatever it takes to solve this crises'.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 10 Report Posted February 10 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: So what your saying is every life has a value, for you and your kind it is less than 8000.00.... What? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Army Guy Posted February 10 Author Report Posted February 10 11 minutes ago, eyeball said: What? sorry my bad it's 70,000 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Army Guy said: sorry my bad it's 70,000 You howled bloody blue murder at the thought of a guaranteed basic income of $24000 per Canadian. 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: ...Don't tell me the left are concerned with spending money...i mean we have the last 8 plus years as an example.... Don't forget we're talking about $24.5 billion a year to just scan containers. How much more will you spend on law enforcement, trials, incarceration, treatment, housing, food etc etc per addict? 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: How much am i willing to pay, whatever it takes to solve this crises'.... So no limit? How much do you think we could save by simply putting a bullet in every addicts head and dumping them in a landfill? How much does a bullet cost? A buck? So 350000 times a buck...I bet half you people would leap at the opportunity if it was presented to you. What if it meant we could spend the $24.49 billion we'd save on the military? $24.49 billion every year after year after year? Edited February 11 by eyeball 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 (edited) What creates the cartels? Who pays for them? People who use illegal drugs do. Our neighbours do. Maybe some of us do. And does anybody here seriously believe that gangs in Canada have had a bigger role in creating the US opioid crisis than the US pharmaceutical industry, especially the makers of opioids like OxyContin who lied for years about its highly addictive nature despite being told of it by many doctors. Why isn’t Trump talking about that every day if he cares about addiction in his country? Why isn’t he questioning the fact that the major beneficiaries of OxyContin never went to jail. At least a few of the hoodlums involved in peddling SUBSYS did. Eventually. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/authorities-drugmaker-paid-off-doctors-lied-insurance-companies/story?id=61488372 Edited February 11 by SpankyMcFarland 2 Quote
eyeball Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 36 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Why isn’t Trump talking about that every day if he cares about addiction in his country? Because blaming America's beautiful beautiful corporations is woke - like going after Big Tobacco, who we know were treated horribly...it was a horrible awful witch hunt. Not withstanding Big Vax of course. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
SpankyMcFarland Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 If the cartels are terrorist organizations, then their financiers are all around us. Anybody buying cocaine here helps sustain mass murder in South and Central America. Time was when conservatives cared about personal responsibility rather than blaming everybody else. Quote
eyeball Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 42 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: Time was when conservatives cared about personal responsibility rather than blaming everybody else. I'm sure most normal conservatives do care about their own personal responsibility but when national or partisan responsibility is called for blaming others seems to be the default setting. And this is not just a recent phenomenon conservative governments have always preferred to take the war on drugs to the suppliers. It's always been their fault - we're the victims here. The reason nothing has changed in this approach simply seems to come down to the inability of politicians, their parties and hard-boiled base of support to admit they might have been wrong. Of course if anyone did admit it was wrong someone might be held liable for the massive numbers of deaths and ruined economies caused by waging the war in other people's countries. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
betsy Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 LOl - the fact that they intercepted 6 illegals crossing, a couple of days after they tightened the borders, had clearly shown our borders aren't safe! How many had gone through before that? Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 11 Report Posted February 11 13 hours ago, Army Guy said: You are down playing like almost everyone else in Canada your message is it has been like this for decades why do we need to do anything, the war on drugs was a failure....is that about right... These drug cartels have or will be deemed terrorist, this is the highest threat level we have, meaning they can use military assets to hunt these bad guys down, we have never had this before, other than at sea...That and we have a crazy man in the white house who is going to unleash his SOF forces on cartels shortly...Is that going to make a change, who knows but something is going to happen that does not make me naive... Yes billions have been spent on Drug enforcement, but since then drugs have become more deadly than ever, with mere milligrams enough to kill....that 42 lbs of fentanyl seize was enough to kill 9.5 million people, and we only check 1 % of all trucks and containers entering into Canada...even i can do the math here...thats a hell of a lot more than everyone is making it out to be... SO i guess we give up , bury our heads in the sand....we can't do anything about trump but the left is hell bent on taking that on, but lets draw a line in the sand and say no to drug cartels and gangs...where fentanyl takes 22 people a day, and that number is only getting bigger... I'm not preaching , i don't understand why we as a nation did not just agree to the orange guy Yes we will tighten up our war on drugs, put some funding towards that, instead we dug our heels in and want those tariffs...just on principle how dare he threaten us...And your reasoning is well humans are going to take drugs anyways just let them , it thins the herd sort of... I have not, in any way "downplayed" the war on drugs. I am right and you acknowledge that billions have been spent for decades by all levels of government to combat drugs....without success. If you think you have a resolution, please inform us and it can be done. If you think "humans" will not take drugs, then it is you that is living in dreamland. Adding another $1.3 billion to the border crossing fund is going to do what?? Other than that, being pious and preaching the failure of the drug wars is nonsensical and certainly not realistic.. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
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