robosmith Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 Musk’s brash bid to slash workforce hits the intel community Quote Staff for at least seven U.S. intelligence agencies have received deferred resignation offers from the Trump administration — a sign that the Elon Musk-backed push to slash the federal workforce is reaching national security personnel the administration previously indicated would be insulated from it. Since last Tuesday, full-time civilian workers at the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, the National Reconnaissance Office, the FBI, the NSA, the CIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence have received similar versions of the resignation offer that first went to an estimated 2 million employees late last month, according to nine people granted anonymity to share details on sensitive personnel matters. It should be noted that neither Musk nor the POTUS have the legal authority to offer these buyouts to employees, which amounts to paying them for work NOT DONE. Such expenditures are province of CONGRESS ALONE. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 32 minutes ago, robosmith said: It should be noted that neither Musk nor the POTUS have the legal authority to offer these buyouts to employees, which amounts to paying them for work NOT DONE. Says the guy who fully supported biden's attempts to pay off student debt by the hundreds of billions And no, it's a pension benefit essentially. It's quite common. Anyway if they're not needed why keep them? 1 Quote
robosmith Posted February 6 Author Report Posted February 6 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Says the guy who fully supported biden's attempts to pay off student debt by the hundreds of billions Has nothing to do with ILLEGALLY offering benefits not authorized by Congress. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: And no, it's a pension benefit essentially. It's quite common. Congress needs to authorize those expenditures, lDIOT. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Anyway if they're not needed why keep them? Because they have legally PROTECTED civil service jobs, ahole. That is why they are being ILLEGALLY enticed to resign. Duh Why do you want Trump to break the law ALL THE TIME? Quote
CdnFox Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 53 minutes ago, robosmith said: Has nothing to do with ILLEGALLY offering benefits not authorized by Congress. Sure does. Quote Congress needs to authorize those expenditures, lDIOT. No it doesn't TARD! LOL! We can always tell you know you're wrong when you have to go all caps like that Quote Because they have legally PROTECTED civil service jobs, ahole. That is why they are being ILLEGALLY enticed to resign. Duh Nope. Watch. I bet he doesn't even get charged Quote Why do you want Trump to break the law ALL THE TIME? If trump does anything you say he's broken the law. If trump does nothing you say he's broken the law So honestly i just don't think about it any more. According to you his very existence seems to break the law. Remember when you said he lead an insurrection and wasn't allowed to be on ballots? And you were wrong? And I was right? According to the supreme court? That's one example of many. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 4 hours ago, robosmith said: Because they have legally PROTECTED civil service jobs, ahole. Besides falling prey to the urge to belittle, another sign, you should be using the ignore feature, you accepted the premise. There is no way to know if people are needed in their jobs or not, in such a short time. And for intelligence, a lot of times only the top people really know what's going on due to the importance of secrecy. Nobody knows what's needed or not. Kind of like the brain. You can cut out chunks of it and nothing happens. But would you trust Elon Musk to be your brain surgeon? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Nationalist Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Besides falling prey to the urge to belittle, another sign, you should be using the ignore feature, you accepted the premise. There is no way to know if people are needed in their jobs or not, in such a short time. And for intelligence, a lot of times only the top people really know what's going on due to the importance of secrecy. Nobody knows what's needed or not. Kind of like the brain. You can cut out chunks of it and nothing happens. But would you trust Elon Musk to be your brain surgeon? Would you trust Brandon more? Maybe Brennan? Who would you trust Mike? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Legato Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Kind of like the brain. You can cut out chunks of it and nothing happens. Jeez Mike I sincerely hope that wasn't anecdotal. 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 59 minutes ago, Legato said: Jeez Mike I sincerely hope that wasn't anecdotal. Anecdotal? If it were, then would my vocabulary be so excellent goat Barber Mambo dogfoody ? 🙃 2 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
User Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 10 hours ago, robosmith said: Because they have legally PROTECTED civil service jobs, ahole. That is why they are being ILLEGALLY enticed to resign. Duh Why do you want Trump to break the law ALL THE TIME? What law robo? You create thread after thread on here saying the law is being broken and then never answer anyone when asked to explain what law. 1 Quote
robosmith Posted February 6 Author Report Posted February 6 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Besides falling prey to the urge to belittle, another sign, you should be using the ignore feature, you accepted the premise. I did not accept the premise. The question is why should they keep their jobs and the answer is because the LAW says they cannot be fired for unjustified (political) reasons. 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: There is no way to know if people are needed in their jobs or not, in such a short time. And for intelligence, a lot of times only the top people really know what's going on due to the importance of secrecy. That is why they cannot be summarily fired. There is a PROCESS. 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Nobody knows what's needed or not. Kind of like the brain. You can cut out chunks of it and nothing happens. Analysis can tell you WHAT happens AFTER. 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: But would you trust Elon Musk to be your brain surgeon? Why do you trust him using DOGMA to make massive cuts to government function? Quote
Hodad Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Besides falling prey to the urge to belittle, another sign, you should be using the ignore feature, you accepted the premise. There is no way to know if people are needed in their jobs or not, in such a short time. And for intelligence, a lot of times only the top people really know what's going on due to the importance of secrecy. Nobody knows what's needed or not. Kind of like the brain. You can cut out chunks of it and nothing happens. But would you trust Elon Musk to be your brain surgeon? Musk waltzing in and ignorantly cutting things "that were not needed" has left Twitter a shadow of itself, losing 80% of its value. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to let him do the same to the US government can't afford to lose 80% of their brain capacity. 1 Quote
User Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, Hodad said: Musk waltzing in and ignorantly cutting things "that were not needed" has left Twitter a shadow of itself, losing 80% of its value. Anyone who thinks it's a good idea to let him do the same to the US government can't afford to lose 80% of their brain capacity. The only ignorance here is you think his cutting is what caused Twitter to lose value and thinking that the US Government is like a company that has value. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 20 minutes ago, robosmith said: Why do you trust him using DOGMA to make massive cuts to government function? Do I? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
CdnFox Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 8 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Besides falling prey to the urge to belittle, another sign, you should be using the ignore feature, you accepted the premise. There is no way to know if people are needed in their jobs or not, in such a short time. And for intelligence, a lot of times only the top people really know what's going on due to the importance of secrecy. Nobody knows what's needed or not. Kind of like the brain. You can cut out chunks of it and nothing happens. But would you trust Elon Musk to be your brain surgeon? Oh look. Rather than make a point Michael simply jumps in to tell someone else to ignore facts and truth if they find them disturbing. Quelle suprise 1 Quote
godzilla Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 (edited) everyone gets what Musk is doing with DOGE. what people don't understand is that he is a bull in a china shop for a reason... to try and pay for the huge deficit Trump is about to blow to extend his tax cuts for the rich. Musk said he could cut $2T in spending... then $1T... i bet he can't leverage more than a few hundred million. not unimportant but at great cost and chaos. when you look at the pie of where the US government spends its money, if you cut out all non-discretionary spending... its really peanuts. thats why these guys are SO DESPERATE. a case in point. the recent attempt to get ANY federal workers to quit. its very non-surgical nature is going to be a disaster. every bureaucracy has inefficiencies and its a constant task to identify those and rectify. but it never goes away. will the people who are not productive in the federal service take the "buy out"? no. the people can easily get other jobs the private sector will. the talented people. but these guys don't care because the Trump TAX CUTS are all that matters. Edited February 6 by godzilla 1 Quote
User Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 8 minutes ago, godzilla said: to try and pay for the huge deficit Trump is about to blow to extend his tax cuts for the rich. The tax cuts were an across-the-board rate reduction that impacted almost everyone, not just the rich. These are already baked into the "cost" of business right now as they have already been the law for some time now. There is not a huge deficit about to happen. 10 minutes ago, godzilla said: but these guys don't care because the Trump TAX CUTS are all that matters. These are two separate issues. The fact that DOGE is finding money to save from the waste, fraud, and abuse is a good thing. Quote
godzilla Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 13 minutes ago, User said: There is not a huge deficit about to happen. yes, there is. Quote
godzilla Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 oh right, the US needs federal workers... who knew? IRS: Some employees can’t take buyout until after filing deadline The Hill better watch itself or it'll become a target like Politico for publishing stuff that... you know... is happening. even though its owned by News Nation. Quote
User Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 31 minutes ago, godzilla said: yes, there is. Not based on the tax cuts... those are already baked into the pie, which is what you were complaining about. So, what is going to cause these deficits you are talking about? 31 minutes ago, godzilla said: oh right, the US needs federal workers... who knew? Yes. The "buyout" has exempted several groups. Are you just figuring this out now? It helps, if you don't actually believe the lies you create. Quote
impartialobserver Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 I dont know the particulars but likely they can't just be laid off. For example, once you get to the 5-year mark with this state government.. it is a matter of law if they try to fire you without cause. Hence, why folks stay in their positions for 25 years. Quote
robosmith Posted February 8 Author Report Posted February 8 1 minute ago, impartialobserver said: I dont know the particulars but likely they can't just be laid off. For example, once you get to the 5-year mark with this state government.. it is a matter of law if they try to fire you without cause. Hence, why folks stay in their positions for 25 years. Civil service jobs cannot be fired for no reason, in order to keep competent experienced people running the government instead of patronage hacks. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Civil service jobs cannot be fired for no reason, in order to keep competent experienced people running the government instead of patronage hacks. Of course they can. Especially if they're laid off. Happens all the time. There's always a cost, so it's not like an instant savings but you absolutely can let people go even in civil service jobs and it doesn't take long for their absence to cost justify the price involved with getting rid of them Quote
robosmith Posted February 8 Author Report Posted February 8 26 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Of course they can. Especially if they're laid off. Happens all the time. There's always a cost, so it's not like an instant savings but you absolutely can let people go even in civil service jobs and it doesn't take long for their absence to cost justify the price involved with getting rid of them ^Bullshit. New Rule Protects Civil Service Employees from At-Will Firing SHRM https://www.shrm.org › employment-law-compliance Apr 5, 2024 — The new rule reinforces federal employees' due process rights and right to be fired only for cause. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 8 Report Posted February 8 1 hour ago, robosmith said: Bullshit. Truth. federal employee layoff: Donald Trump is planning sweeping layoffs if federal workers don't submit their resignations by Thursday; here's who will be impacted - The Economic Times Layoffs to begin soon if federal employees don't tender resignation But, thousands of federal workers have not tendered their resignation yet, and now White House officials have stated that sweeping layoffs are scheduled to begin if federal staff don't submit their resignations by the deadline given to them, according to CNN. Read more at: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/donald-trump-is-planning-sweeping-layoffs-if-federal-workers-dont-submit-their-resignations-by-thursday-heres-who-will-be-impacted/articleshow/117957201.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst Federal layoffs ‘likely’ if too few employees choose to quit, memo says - The Washington Post How federal layoffs set the stage for greater privatization and automation of the US government Sorry Robowrong, But I think you'll find there's always a way. The law prevents mass firings but not mass layoffs. Congress would have to step in and put a stop to that if they wanted but it doesn't look like they're interested in passing any new laws to block trump And once again I'm resigned to having to explain to you how law works Quote
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