Hodad Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 RFK’s hearings remove all doubt: He’s not fit to lead a key federal health agency "Look, it’s never wrong to ask questions, even about “settled” science. But Kennedy has spent a near-lifetime promoting a dangerous, outright lie about vaccines, even in the face of hard proof that they work. That might’ve dissuaded many people from getting them and then later contracting illnesses they could’ve prevented. Oh, and by coincidence, his anti-Big Pharma claims just so happen to supply ammunition for fellow lawyers suing those companies. Kennedy’s bizarre beliefs go even further: He’s bought into conspiracy theories that the generally acknowledged story of 9/11 isn’t to be believed. He’s stood by claims that “electromagnetic radiation” from Wi-Fi “changes DNA” and is linked to cancer. Most of all, Kennedy lacks basic skills to run a large federal agency, particularly one where “following the science” is actually vital. True, he does support some worthwhile lifestyle changes that can make folks healthier — like better diets and exercise. But there’s too much wackiness in his background to trust America’s health to such a figure. Senators need to block RFK Jr.’s nomination — and keep America healthy again." 3 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) They won't. The Emperor has spoken, and the Emperor gets what he wants. The least qualified and most unsuitable people are being appointed to cabinet - rewarded for loyalty and demagoguery rather than competence or know-how. It's almost like a comedy spoof...except it's real. Edited February 4 by Moonbox 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
robosmith Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 39 minutes ago, Hodad said: RFK’s hearings remove all doubt: He’s not fit to lead a key federal health agency True, he does support some worthwhile lifestyle changes that can make folks healthier — like better diets and exercise. But there’s too much wackiness in his background to trust America’s health to such a figure. Senators need to block RFK Jr.’s nomination — and keep America healthy again." It's really strange that the "worthwhile lifestyle changes that can make folks healthier" was ridiculed when Michelle Obama pushed them in the first Obama term, but now the truth can be accepted because Trump appointed RFK Jr. 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 RFK is a Democrat wanting to help people be healthy and the left hates him and what he will do because he sided with Trump. It's so weird. Same thing with Tulsi. You people have no morals, you just want power and you hate anyone that doesn't give you power. 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
robosmith Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 (edited) 17 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: RFK is a Democrat wanting to help people be healthy and the left hates him and what he will do because he sided with Trump. It's so weird. Same thing with Tulsi. You people have no morals, you just want power and you hate anyone that doesn't give you power. You don't know what you're talking about and are too lazy to investigate the truth about RFK Jr. AKA, he's NUTS. "No vaccine is safe and effective" RFK Jr. RFK Jr. Incorrectly Denies Past Remarks on Vaccine Safety ... FactCheck.org https://www.factcheck.org › 2023/11 › scicheck-rfk-jr-i... Claim: “I never said that ‘no vaccine is safe and effective.’” Claimed by: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Fact check by FactCheck.org: False Edited February 4 by robosmith Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 47 minutes ago, robosmith said: You don't know what you're talking about and are too lazy to investigate the truth about RFK Jr. AKA, he's NUTS. "No vaccine is safe and effective" RFK Jr. RFK Jr. Incorrectly Denies Past Remarks on Vaccine Safety ... FactCheck.org https://www.factcheck.org › 2023/11 › scicheck-rfk-jr-i... Claim: “I never said that ‘no vaccine is safe and effective.’” Claimed by: Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Fact check by FactCheck.org: False What if he's right? He talked about this: They found that the vaccine was preventing kids from getting diptheria, tetanus and pertussis. But the girls who got that vaccine were 10 times more likely to die over the next six months than children who didn’t. Why is that? And they weren’t dying from anything anybody ever associated with the vaccine. They were dying of anemia, bilharzia, malaria, sepsis, and mainly pulmonary and respiratory disease, pneumonia. And let's talk about what he wants to do. He has proposed requiring vaccines to have ongoing studies to verify the safety and effectiveness of these vaccines. Do you remember this change? Sudafed was deemed ineffective all of a sudden. why can't we monitor vaccines the same way? A key ingredient in many over-the-counter cold and allergy medications called phenylephrine doesn’t work to get rid of nasal congestion, a Food and Drug Administration advisory panel concluded Tuesday. The unanimous vote, which specifically declared oral formulations of phenylephrine ineffective, is expected to disrupt the market for OTC cold and allergy remedies, where consumers largely prefer pills over nasal sprays. He also wants to take a lot of chemicals out of our food. Are you upset with that? Our country is the most obese, has a tremendous amount of cancer, increasing numbers of food allergies, and increasing numbers of behavioral issues (i.e. ADHD, anxiety, etc). Why not study how and why that is happening and, in the mean time, make some changes that are probably healthier? You are latching on to a comment that is put of context and applying motivations that aren't true while making wild ass claims that have no validity. All because orange man bad. Now, look, I'm not the health nut on this forum. Far from it. But if there are things that we are doing that are bad and a couple of regulations and policies can help everyone, sign me up. And I don't care that he was a Democrat. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Moonlight Graham Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 2 hours ago, Hodad said: "Look, it’s never wrong to ask questions, even about “settled” science. But Kennedy has spent a near-lifetime promoting a dangerous, outright lie about vaccines, even in the face of hard proof that they work. Yup 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Black Dog Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 1 hour ago, gatomontes99 said: RFK is a Democrat wanting to help people be healthy and the left hates him and what he will do because he sided with Trump. I think it's more the part where he's a batshit insane guy peddling unscientific nonsense about vaccines and so on, but you're gonna go with whatever flatters your prejudices because you base your decisions on emotions. 6 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: What if he's right? He talked about this: They found that the vaccine was preventing kids from getting diptheria, tetanus and pertussis. But the girls who got that vaccine were 10 times more likely to die over the next six months than children who didn’t. Why is that? And they weren’t dying from anything anybody ever associated with the vaccine. They were dying of anemia, bilharzia, malaria, sepsis, and mainly pulmonary and respiratory disease, pneumonia. lmao Quote Robert F. Kennedy Jr: The vaccine was providing protection against those target illnesses, but it had ruined the children’s immune systems. And they could not defend themselves against random infections that were harmless to most children. Lex Fridman(02:00:36) But isn’t it nearly impossible to prove that link? Robert F. Kennedy Jr(02:00:39) You can’t prove the link, all you can do is for any particular interest, illness or death, you can’t prove the link. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 15 minutes ago, Black Dog said: I think it's more the part where he's a batshit insane guy peddling unscientific nonsense about vaccines and so on, but you're gonna go with whatever flatters your prejudices because you base your decisions on emotions. I already said he's a Democrat. As for links, it's hard to prove a dispositive. But we can find correlations, change the factors and watch for changes. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
NAME REMOVED Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 RFK Jr could destroy the Kennedy legacy, and be indirectly responsible for millions of deaths, if he is confirmed. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said: RFK Jr could destroy the Kennedy legacy, and be indirectly responsible for millions of deaths, if he is confirmed. Yeah. Eating cereal with Butylated Hydroxytoluene and Maltodextrin is your right! And you don't need to know what vaccines are doing for you. You have no right to know if it is more harm than good or more good than harm. That's just crazy talk. 3 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
WestCanMan Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 It's just so odd that rank-and-file Demonrat voters are so against accountability in Big Pharma. "PROTECT PFIZER! PROTECT MODERNA! PROTECT JOHNSON AND JOHNSON! WE HAVE A RIGHT TO FEED OUR CHILDREN RED DYE! WE NEED MORE TRANS-FATS IN OUR FOOD SUPPLY!" I often wonder if there really are any leftard humans on this forum or if they're all just fascist-controlled bots. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. Ex-Canadian since April 2025
robosmith Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 56 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: It's just so odd that rank-and-file Demonrat voters are so against accountability in Big Pharma. "PROTECT PFIZER! PROTECT MODERNA! PROTECT JOHNSON AND JOHNSON! WE HAVE A RIGHT TO FEED OUR CHILDREN RED DYE! WE NEED MORE TRANS-FATS IN OUR FOOD SUPPLY!" I often wonder if there really are any leftard humans on this forum or if they're all just fascist-controlled bots. ^MAGA CULT BOT. LMAO Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 17 minutes ago, robosmith said: ^MAGA CULT BOT. LMAO Rule #2 1 Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Black Dog Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 20 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: I already said he's a Democrat. As for links, it's hard to prove a dispositive. But we can find correlations, change the factors and watch for changes. And if a few thousand kids die while you chase phantoms, NBD. 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: And if a few thousand kids die while you chase phantoms, NBD. Most of the diseases vaccines attack are easily treated now. Thousands won't die. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Black Dog Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 9 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: Most of the diseases vaccines attack are easily treated now. Thousands won't die. Even if this were true (it's not), prevention is better. Quote
Moonbox Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 19 hours ago, DUI_Offender said: RFK Jr could destroy the Kennedy legacy, and be indirectly responsible for millions of deaths, if he is confirmed. I think the Kennedy family's legacy is heavily influenced by the fact that JFK was assassinated, and even then I don't think it carries the same weight it used to. RFK has been considered a joke for a long, long time, and that's the only publicity the family gets now. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
gatomontes99 Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 25 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Even if this were true (it's not), prevention is better. It is true that most of the vaccines we get, as kids, are for diseases that are much less deadly now than before. Take Polio for example. About 1 in 200 that get Polio become paralyzed. Of those, 5-10% die. Do the math, .05% of cases at the worst die. WHO That isn't some massive danger. It's actually less deadly than the flu. The Polio vaccine is relatively safe, but it does have potential side effects, including paralytic polio. Full disclosure, my kids are fully vaccinated. I'm not saying no one should get these vaccines. I'm saying that RFK isn't batshit crazy for wanting continuing studies into the effectiveness and the side effects of these vaccines. For example, we just introduced an mRNA vaccine into the population. How will that interact with a full set of standard vaccines? What about people that are mostly unvaccinated or maybe have some vaccines but not all? Asking the questions and getting the answers is not a bad thing. Information is a good thing. Good information is even better. I asked our Pediatrician about the effectiveness, need and side effects of each vaccine we administered. He answered, gave us his experience and we made our choice. Everyone should have that opportunity. Don't deny people the opportunity to be informed just because they view the risk differently from you. If they view the risks of a vaccine as a risk they don't want to take, that's on them. That is none of your business. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Black Dog Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 1 minute ago, gatomontes99 said: It is true that most of the vaccines we get, as kids, are for diseases that are much less deadly now than before. Prove it. Quote Take Polio for example. About 1 in 200 that get Polio become paralyzed. Of those, 5-10% die. Do the math, .05% of cases at the worst die. WHO That isn't some massive danger. It's actually less deadly than the flu. Kinda glossing over the whole "incredibly high rates of paralysis" part here aren't you? But yes very few people die from polio because we have a safe and effective vaccine. Quote Full disclosure, my kids are fully vaccinated. I'm not saying no one should get these vaccines. I'm saying that RFK isn't batshit crazy for wanting continuing studies into the effectiveness and the side effects of these vaccines. For example, we just introduced an mRNA vaccine into the population. How will that interact with a full set of standard vaccines? What about people that are mostly unvaccinated or maybe have some vaccines but not all? Asking the questions and getting the answers is not a bad thing. Information is a good thing. Good information is even better. Yeah this is sanewashing in action. RFK has made innumerable batshit claims about vaccines, like vaccines causing autism or that “there’s no vaccine that is safe and effective." The idea that this guy is "just asking questions" in good faith is for the rubes. Quote I asked our Pediatrician about the effectiveness, need and side effects of each vaccine we administered. He answered, gave us his experience and we made our choice. Everyone should have that opportunity. Don't deny people the opportunity to be informed just because they view the risk differently from you. If they view the risks of a vaccine as a risk they don't want to take, that's on them. That is none of your business. Motherf*cker do you know what herd immunity is? 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Black Dog said: Prove it. Kinda glossing over the whole "incredibly high rates of paralysis" part here aren't you? But yes very few people die from polio because we have a safe and effective vaccine. I'm not going to go through and get mortality rates for every disease we vaccinate against. But, modern medicine is far more effective than when we started almost all of these vaccines. I don't see 1 in 200 or 1/2% as incredibly high. But, whatever. 3 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Yeah this is sanewashing in action. RFK has made innumerable batshit claims about vaccines, like vaccines causing autism or that “there’s no vaccine that is safe and effective." The idea that this guy is "just asking questions" in good faith is for the rubes. Well, I posted the full quote, in context, where you guys claimed he was saying that all vaccines are unsafe and ineffective. He clearly did not say that or believe that. But, you guys don't care about reality. All you want is the sound bite and the emotional reaction. T' hell with reality. 5 minutes ago, Black Dog said: Motherf*cker do you know what herd immunity is? The Polio vaccine claims a 99% rate of prevention. If you have the vaccine and that rate is true, what does herd immunity do for you? Nothing. I'm not going to force people to take risks they don't want to take. That's their business. It's not your business either. You aren't a dictator. You don't get to force people to do what you want them to. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
Black Dog Posted February 5 Report Posted February 5 (edited) 15 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: I'm not going to go through and get mortality rates for every disease we vaccinate against. But, modern medicine is far more effective than when we started almost all of these vaccines. Again, so what? Prevention is always superior to treatment. Quote I don't see 1 in 200 or 1/2% as incredibly high. But, whatever. Yet you weren't willing to accept those odds for your own kids you f*cking hypocrite. Quote Well, I posted the full quote, in context, where you guys claimed he was saying that all vaccines are unsafe and ineffective. He clearly did not say that or believe that. But, you guys don't care about reality. All you want is the sound bite and the emotional reaction. T' hell with reality. He literally said those words. It's there in your transcript and he spent the next several minutes doubling down. You are a gaslighter. Quote The Polio vaccine claims a 99% rate of prevention. If you have the vaccine and that rate is true, what does herd immunity do for you? Nothing. So you don't know how herd immunity works. Just say so, this will go faster. Quote I'm not going to force people to take risks they don't want to take. That's their business. It's not your business either. You aren't a dictator. You don't get to force people to do what you want them to. Believe me if it was just antivaxxers' kids who were the only ones at risk of disease and death I'd have no problem with it at all. Unfortunately that's not the case. Edited February 5 by Black Dog 1 Quote
gatomontes99 Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Black Dog said: Again, so what? Prevention is always superior to treatment. Yet you weren't willing to accept those odds for your own kids you f*cking hypocrite. He literally said those words. It's there in your transcript and he spent the next several minutes doubling down. You are a gaslighter. So you don't know how herd immunity works. Just say so, this will go faster. Believe me if it was just antivaxxers' kids who were the only ones at risk of disease and death I'd have no problem with it at all. Unfortunately that's not the case. All you are doing is making emotional arguments for controlling people. You won't listen to reason. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
NAME REMOVED Posted February 6 Report Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, gatomontes99 said: All you are doing is making emotional arguments for controlling people. You won't listen to reason. This has to do with protection of children...screw your "controlling." If a child has not been vaccinated, they should not be allowed in public schools. 1 1 Quote
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