Socialism is theft

CdnFox · February 2

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

It was certainly worth the effort to see you've changed your mind about Hitler.

More like it was worth the time to see if you could avoid admitting that robin hood fought the socialists

One of the things that left tries the hardest to do is paint over the fact that most of the worst villains and tyrants in history have been socialists and or statists. That doesn't make all socialists villains, but it certainly isn't a great track record.

Queenmandy85 · February 2

Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's. In other words, pay your taxes.

CdnFox · February 2

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's. In other words, pay your taxes.

When the taxes get too high... well, you remember what happened to Caesar right?

Gaétan · February 2

16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Conservatives are more charitable than progressives.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0049089X21000752

Conservatives have more money:

Jesus said that the poor old woman had given more than the rich :

12.41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

Queenmandy85 · February 2

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

When the taxes get too high... well, you remember what happened to Caesar right?

Yes, but if Julius Caesar gets tossed, we have an Octavius Caesar in a heartbeat. It is Caesar's role to ensure the citizens are served. It costs money to operate a 21st century government and on Tuesday, it is going to cost a lot more. We see our fellow corespondents on this forum complaining about high taxes at one moment, but then say we need to spend another $50 billion to give to NATO. While I am a firm believer in NATO, when the rubber its the road, I've been assured NATO will not protect us. Canada does not have the capacity to prevent invasion.

Edited February 2 by Queenmandy85

CdnFox · February 2

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Yes, but if Julius Caesar gets tossed, we have an Octavius Caesar in a heartbeat.

And unlike the first Caesar he was much more fair with people, let small businessman keep their money and flourish, Supported private ventures and reasonable rights for slaves for treatment and to earn their freedom and he ushered in a golden age that was the best time in all of Rome's history for the next for emperors to follow him.

Turns out that socialist dictators create a lot of unrest in a country. But when you support letting people make their own way in life and create their own opportunity then a country flourishes.

Liberals and the woke left are simply bad for a country entirely. Basically they let conservatives build the country up to where it's doing really well, step in and run the country into the ground and then walk away while the conservatives rebuild. And so what if the people suffer?

Five of swords · February 3

On 2/2/2025 at 12:02 AM, CdnFox said:

When the taxes get too high... well, you remember what happened to Caesar right?

Dude...the people loved ceaser. He was killed by the senate. Learn some history

CdnFox · February 3

39 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Dude...the people loved ceaser. He was killed by the senate. Learn some history

And? They were the ones getting taxed the most.

I think you forgot what you were talking about.

Five of swords · February 4

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And? They were the ones getting taxed the most.

I think you forgot what you were talking about.

Lol Caesar was not killed over taxes...and he was a populist leader. It was the elite who hated him...the opposite of what you were pretending

CdnFox · February 4

5 hours ago, Five of swords said:

Lol Caesar was not killed over taxes...and he was a populist leader. It was the elite who hated him...the opposite of what you were pretending

I never pretended that it wasn't the only two hated him. When did I say that? Someone said that he must render under Caesar what is Caesar's and I say how did that work out for him and somehow you are making that be about Elites and Natalie's and public opinion?

Kid, you have the attention span of a goldfish

A Freeman · February 4

On 2/2/2025 at 3:39 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's. In other words, pay your taxes.

That is NOT what that verse says, but that's the excerpt that most people quote who believe they should continue to feed the beast system that's already big enough to devour them.

Matthew 22:15-22

22:15 Then went the politicians, and took counsel how they might entangle him in [his] talk.
22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest The Way of God in Truth, neither carest thou for any [man]: for thou regardest not the person of men.
22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, [ye] hypocrites?
22:19 Show me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose [is] this image and superscription?
22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
22:22 When they had heard [these words], they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

How much do we owe God for our lives? EVERYTHING.

How much does that leave for Caesar (the state)? NOTHING.

That's what the passage REALLY says.

In other words, if everyone stopped paying their taxes, it would effectively fire the politicians that use those funds to further oppression and injustice.

A corporate fictional government big enough to give you everything you believe you want is big enough to take it all away. Sadly most won't understand what that means until they have it all taken away.

Edited February 4 by A Freeman
duplication

Five of swords · February 4

On 2/2/2025 at 12:02 AM, CdnFox said:

When the taxes get too high... well, you remember what happened to Caesar right?

And yet like I said taxes had nothing to do with why Caesar was killed. He was killed by the senate because he was taking power from the senate

CdnFox · February 4

36 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

And yet like I said taxes had nothing to do with why Caesar was killed.

Neither did i actually. But his attitude of entitlement in demanding others give to him what he felt he had coming absolutely did. And yes, his tax policy played a role. He brought in the first sales tax, he reduced taxes on 'special interest groups' and put that burden on the successful romans, etc. That and he demanded reforms that others were opposed to but he forced it on them regardless.

Do not kid yourself. The senators would not have acted on their own without encouragement and support from others.

It turns out when you push your will on others and demand they give you what YOU want like that people rebel one way or another, and it rarely ends well. That socialist sense of entitlement (what's yours is actually mine, render it) inevitably leads to rebellion.

Queenmandy85 · February 4

If we did not pay taxes, would have none of the government services the citizens want. If you do not like how your MP spends your tax money, elect one who will be more to your wishes. You only have to convince your fellow constituents to vote for your candidate.

Edited February 4 by Queenmandy85

Dougie93 · February 4

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

If we did not pay taxes, would have none of the government services the citizens want. If you do not like how your MP spends your tax money, elect one who will be more to your wishes. You only have to convince your fellow constituents to vote for your candidate.

Canadians never opposed the taxes

when the Laurentian Elite ruling class practised Noblesse Oblige in the name of the Crown

it was only when the Laurentian Elites flipped to Neoliberalism

taxing the poor on behalf of the rich

under the auspices of Climate Change, Racial Revanchism & Transgenderism

that the working classes started to revolt

Queenmandy85 · February 4

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

that the working classes started to revolt

They are taking their time with the revolution.

Bad news for Mr. Fox and darling Betsy, but the CPC is dropping and the grits are on the rise.

Dougie93 · February 4

Just now, Queenmandy85 said:

They are taking their time with the revolution.

it simply manifests as increasing chaos & disorder in the streets

like Mitch Marner getting carjacked at gunpoint at the mall in Mississauga

literally unimaginable in the Canada I was raised in

CdnFox · February 4

48 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

They are taking their time with the revolution.

Bad news for Mr. Fox and darling Betsy, but the CPC is dropping and the grits are on the rise.

Not really. There's always a little bit of buzz when there's a new leader, but the cracks are already starting to show up in Carney's messaging and I think you'll find any bump is pretty elastic and they're still pulling well within room for a strong majority.

I think you'll see the lips down somewhere around 50 give or take. That'll guarantee two terms anyway

Dougie93 · February 4

54 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Bad news for Mr. Fox and darling Betsy, but the CPC is dropping and the grits are on the rise.

except Trump did not actually follow through with the tariffs

it was just the Trump negotiating strategy all along

Trump got what he wanted ; all the MAGA Republicans are declaring victory

if Canada is not actually going to descend into a devastating trade war with America

then the Liberals whole strategy to save themselves has dissipated

back to a Cost of Living election, wherein the Liberals are screwed

Justin Trudeau doesn't mind

the party turned on him, stabbed in the back by Chrystia Freeland & Co.

so he is not interested in saving them anymore

"Après moi, le déluge" ~ Louis XV

GroundskeeperWillie · February 8

On 1/31/2025 at 9:39 PM, eyeball said:

Because governments tax us?

No. Because government tax us, give money to those who aren't productive, leaving fewer resources for the productive. What's worse is that they do this through violence and coercion.

On 1/31/2025 at 9:39 PM, eyeball said:

Fine, lets get rid of the thieves and go back to nature.

Of course, there are only two choices, put up with a thieving government or put up with anarchy.

Hey I got a better idea: how about we elect a government that does not forcibly extract money from us to give to those that don't produce?

Edited February 8 by GroundskeeperWillie

Queenmandy85 · February 8

17 minutes ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

No. Because government tax us, give money to those who aren't productive, leaving fewer resources for the productive. What's worse is that they do this through violence and coercion.

Of course, there are only two choices, put up with a thieving government or put up with anarchy.

Hey I got a better idea: how about we elect a government that does not forcibly extract money from us to give to those that don't produce?

So your answer is to take someone who is unable to work and let them starve. Be careful you don't get sick or you are toast.

GroundskeeperWillie · February 8

Just now, Queenmandy85 said:

So your answer is to take someone who is unable to work and let them starve. Be careful you don't get sick or you are toast.

I didn't say that. I didn't say we should scrap all welfare programs. Just some.

For example, welfare queens need to go.

eyeball · February 8

18 minutes ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

Because government tax us, give money to those who aren't productive, leaving fewer resources for the productive. What's worse is that they do this through violence and coercion.

I'm all for making governments transparent and accountable so we can prevent this sort of shit from happening.

So long as you're going to do your research on what makes me tick, let me know how you feel about people who would rather protect our government from a deep sort of public oversight that would make Orwell himself blush.

Presumably you'd also love to see Trudeau behind bars for what he tried to do on behalf of SNC Lavalin and to Jody Wilson-Raybould.

Queenmandy85 · February 8

6 minutes ago, GroundskeeperWillie said:

For example, welfare queens need to go.

Whoa, is that aimed at me? Don't you like Queens? What is a welfare queen?

Edited February 8 by Queenmandy85

GroundskeeperWillie · February 8

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Whoa, is that aimed at me? What is a welfare queen?

I don't know you at all. I don't know if you are a welfare queen. Sounds like you have a guilty conscience.

Anyway welfare queen is a generic term for anyone who makes an almost profession out of being on public assistance. In the States, this would be a woman who keeps pumping out kids she can't afford, just so that she could collect more checks.