Chrystia Freeland calls for summit of nations targeted by Trump

CdnFox · January 30

17 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

He thinks this is in the bag....and we are forgetting their economy is a whole lot larger than ours will ever be....

The bigger they are...

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The bigger they are....Fixing our border is our reasonability to start with....is it placating him if we do what we are suppose to do....or are we just going to fight on principle how dare that F#cker threaten us"

There's nothing wrong with our borders. If people are crossing into America then there's a problem with their borders. If they want to talk about coordinating efforts to maximize results and minimize crossings either way then fine. But it is not canada's job to police the us border for people going into the US.

There are some legitimate concerns about our immigration policies and that's great, we're always willing to sit down and have a discussion about that and work something out. While we're at it lets talk about all those guns coming across our borders.

But yeah if he threatens us then we fight on principle because if you don't then they will come back and threaten us every single time they want something. That is how you deal with a bully. That is the only way you deal with a bully. there is no other way, if they want to negotiate or have concerns you deal with them in good faith and resolve their concerns. But if they want to bully you then you suck it up and fight back.

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24 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Lets face it we are their biatch, we just don't want to admit to it....the after action report that was drawn up from the last time he did this suggest we diversify our economy and thousands of other things...here we are facing the same problem why is that ?

We are not their biatch, or at least we don't need to be.

As to 'why is that', it's because liberal losers kept electing a completely incompetent buffoon whos' also a tremendous **** because he's got nice hair and cool socks. So now, we're going to be stuck with a war we didn't want which we COULD have avoided with actual leadership over the least decade.

Harper had us on that track, trudeau undid all most all of it.

26 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

In the end when all is said and done what do you think all of this fighting is going to cost...and what will we have gained, other than debt....you can't eat pride...

IS that what you would have said to ukraine when russia invaded?

What it will cost will be high. And that sucks. But that's the price you pay for bad decisions at the voting booth.

What we will gain is a fair trade agreement that will help the country recover from the cost of that war and build strong into the future, AND we'll probably open the eyes of some of the liberal supporters as to why we NEED more pipelines, we NEED to have other markets than the us and it's time to stop getting in the way and open the doors.

And we will send a message to future us presidents .... yeah you can hurt us but we can hurt you too, so you better think very carefully about whether you want to go to war again.

Which is pretty much the lesson we taught them in 1812. At least this time we won't have to burn down their white house

Aristides · January 30

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Trump has already stated he does not like it...he did not get what he wanted the first time...and will target the agreement in Phase two as he calls it in may, once the report his team is working on is finished on Canada...which will mean more tariffs until he gets it...We all know he is America first, he cares nothing for Canada, and will destroy whatever he needs to to get what he wants...he knows Canada is weak, our government is weaker, we are divided, he really does not like Justin....he holds all the cards....

So what. You make a deal, you honour it or no one will ever trust you again.

The agreement is open for review next year. If Trump imposes tariffs, NAFTA is dead and he can’t be trusted to honour any new deal. If that is what you want, just cut the BS and say so.

Dougie93 · January 30

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

So what. You make a deal, you honour it or no one will ever trust you again.

Canada has broken lots of deals it has signed

get over yourself, Canada, nobody cares about your priggish self righteous bullshit

Aristides · January 30

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Canada has broken lots of deals it has signed

get over yourself, Canada, nobody cares about your priggish self righteous bullshit

You support a pathological liar who breaks agreements he himself signed whenever he finds it convenient. Why shouldn't I think you and others who support him are any different?

Spare me the righteous bullshit you spout about honour.

Edited January 30 by Aristides

blackbird · January 30

Trump is simply signing a pile of "executive orders" which do things that have massive implications for nations and for the U.S. but were not put through any kind of democratic process. He has the power to declare "national emergencies" on certain subjects which apparently gives him further power to issue "executive orders". Congress and Senate, who are the elected representatives apparently have little or no say and no control over these orders.

I don't see this as democratic or in the interest of the U.S. or any other country. Executive orders can be interpreted as extreme and possibly fascist. He appears to be a kind of psychopath and a dangerous ruler.

Yes, countries affected by his "executive orders" should come together to see if there are some ways they can mitigate the effects of some of his actions.

Edited January 30 by blackbird

Gaétan · January 30

Imposing tariffs is actually a bad idea that will cause them more harm than good. The purpose of the tariffs is to make foreign countries pay for the millions of bombs that the Democrats have sent to Israel and Ukraine for free.

Dougie93 · January 30

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

You support a pathological liar who breaks agreements he himself signed whenever he finds it convenient. Why shouldn't I think you and others who support him are any different?

Spare me the righteous bullshit you spout about honour.

I do not honour the Laurentian Elite fops who you rally around

nor do I have any fealty to your Post National State

Trump is simply your well deserved comeuppance arriving on time and target

and he is only the beginning, because this is a sea change in America, Trump is simply the messenger

Dougie93 · January 30

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Trump is simply signing a pile of "executive orders" which do things that have massive implications for nations and for the U.S. but were not put through any kind of democratic process. He has the power to declare "national emergencies" on certain subjects which apparently gives him further power to issue "executive orders". Congress and Senate, who are the elected representatives apparently have little or no say and no control over these orders.

I don't see this as democratic or in the interest of the U.S. or any other country. Executive orders can be interpreted as extreme and possibly fascist. He appears to be a kind of psychopath and a dangerous ruler.

Yes, countries affected by his "executive orders" should come together to see if there are some ways they can mitigate the effects of some of his actions.

there's nothing fascist about it, nor is it insane

this is simply how America operated before the Second World War

how do you think America acquired Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico & Guam ?

Dougie93 · January 30

21 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Imposing tariffs is actually a bad idea that will cause them more harm than good. The purpose of the tariffs is to make foreign countries pay for the millions of bombs that the Democrats have sent to Israel and Ukraine for free.

oh and of course Canada opposes that

since Canada became the Post National State proxy for China, Iran, Hezbollah & Hamas

if Melanie Joly didn't have Islamic terrorists supporting her

she'd have to go back to pole dancing in Gatineau

Aristides · January 30

43 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I do not honour the Laurentian Elite fops who you rally around

nor do I have any fealty to your Post National State

Trump is simply your well deserved comeuppance arriving on time and target

and he is only the beginning, because this is a sea change in America, Trump is simply the messenger

It's obvious where your allegiance lies and it isn't with your country so move to the US if you hate your country so much. You will be happier there and we won't have to put up with your hypocrisy.

You don't honour anything so stop talking about it.

Edited January 30 by Aristides

Dougie93 · January 30

48 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It's obvious where your allegiance lies and it isn't with your country so move to the US if you hate your country so much. You will be happier there and we won't have to put up with your hypocrisy.

You don't honour anything so stop talking about it.

I'll come & go as I please and I'll say as I please, nothing hypercritical about it

there's no requirement to love the Confederation, I never swore an oath to the Confederation nor the GoC

I follow the Constitution Act in a supposedly free & democratic constitutional monarchy, to the letter

if you don't like that, you're the one who can p!ss off /shrugs

Dougie93 · January 30

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

You don't honour anything so stop talking about it.

you are simply misguided

but as this is a discussion forum, let me educate you as to the actual terms of honour in this case

like many Canadians, you act as a republican, assuming that Canada is some sort of republic

but that interpretation is actually a fake country, it doesn't exist

read the text of the Canadian Military Oath of Allegiance

I, [name], do swear [or, for a solemn affirmation, solemnly affirm] that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles the Third, King of Canada, his heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.

you will note that there is no mention of Canadian Confederation, nor the Government of Canada

nor in fact the Canadian public within that oath

and that is very deliberate, that is the British Westminster Parliamentary system which governs here

Canada is not a republic, there is no public rule in Canada, thus I do not answer to the Canadian public

in terms of the hysteria in Canada about Donald Trump being an enemy of the Crown ?

the press just days ago asked Buckingham Palace for comment on the matter

and His Majesty The King's official position was ; "no comment"

the Canadian Laurentian Elite media & politicians can run around with their hair on fire

whipping the rubes up into a frenzy for partisan gain as they like

but in a monarchy, those prats have absolutely no authority of their own

there's nothing in violation of my oath and so honour therein

in laughing derisively at those puffed up nabobs while telling them to go f*ck themselves

in terms of the effects of Donald Trumps rabble rousing

so far it has incited the corrupt & incompetent elites to do their jobs for a change

spending billions more on Border Security & the CAF, in only a matter of days in fact

so it's all working out swimmingly so far,

from the point of view of the Regiments, Colours & Commander-in-Chief

lazy, complacent & dysfunctional Canada is getting a well deserved smack upside the head ; Huzzah !

Aristides · January 30

So move to the UK then if you’re so unhappy here. Otherwise stop your f***king whining and yapping about you bullshit allegiance that doesn’t require you to stick up for anything.

Dougie93 · January 30

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So move to the UK then if you’re so unhappy here. Otherwise stop your f***king whining and yapping about you bullshit allegiance that doesn’t require you to stick up for anything.

there is no requirement to move to the UK, since the British Crown also rules in Canada

in terms of my oath of allegiance, there is no difference between Canada & the United Kingdom

it's the exact same oath for both the British & Canadian Army

and I have already served the British Army under the UK chain of command therein

I am a free Briton in Canada or the United Kingdom

as such, there is nothing binding me to stick up for things I don't agree with

I am addressing your concerns respectfully and with logic

you are the one whining & yapping hysterically about it, like a woman scorned

I am not unhappy at all,

I am happy go lucky about Canada getting its well deserved comeuppance

Donald Trump is doing Canada a great favour therein

Edited January 30 by Dougie93

Aristides · January 30

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

there is no requirement to move to the UK, since the British Crown also rules in Canada

in terms of my oath of allegiance, there is no difference between Canada & the United Kingdom

it's the exact same oath for both the British & Canadian Army

and I have already served the British Army under the UK chain of command therein

I am a free Briton in Canada or the United Kingdom

as such, there is nothing binding me to stick up for things I don't agree with

I am addressing your concerns respectfully and with logic

you are the one whining & yapping hysterically about it, like a woman scorned

What a cop out. The only allegiance you have show here is to Donald Trump. You are just so full of shit.

Your so called allegiance to to crown just allows you to avoid committing to anything. You are nothing but a phoney.

Edited January 30 by Aristides

Dougie93 · January 30

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

What a cop out. The only allegiance you have show here is to Donald Trump. You are just so full of shit.

I have never endorsed Donald Trump, and I did not vote for him, tho, as a dual citizen, I could have

I did however surmise that Donald Trump would immediately apply great pressure upon Canada

forcing Canada to either get its own shit together, or suffer the consequences

so I am very happy to see Donald Trump doing exactly what I was hoping for

if it enrages Liberal Boomers like you, all the better, that's a bonus on top

Dougie93 · January 30

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Your so called allegiance to to crown just allows you to avoid committing to anything.

that's the beauty of the British Crown and why I defend & uphold it

the monarchy is Canada's saving grace ;

the thing that prevents one from having to commit

to some collective of useful !diots demanding fealty to their misguided causes

His Majesty defends the right

Dougie93 · January 30

15 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You are nothing but a phoney.

since you are getting hysterical because I refuse to commit to some collective of lunatic leftists

whom I fundamentally disagree with

or otherwise I am to be attacked therein

you present as a Communist

Aristides · January 30

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

that's the beauty of the British Crown and why I defend & uphold it

the monarchy is Canada's saving grace ;

the thing that prevents one from having to commit

to some collective of useful !diots demanding fealty to their misguided causes

His Majesty defends the right

You are a bullshitter and a phoney who uses their so called allegiance to avoid anything. If you are so principled and hate your country, I don’t know how you could stand living here. You are just a phoney who wants to be able to b*tch with no commitment.

Dougie93 · January 30

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

You are a bullshitter and a phoney who uses their so called allegiance to avoid anything. If you are so principled and hate your country, I don’t know how you could stand living here. You are just a phoney who wants to be able to b*tch with no commitment.

just more ad hominem drivel, again, you apparently can't argue any points with respect nor logic

instead you just keep bleating on like a woman scorned

cope seethe as you like, I'll just keep vaping your butt hurt tears therein / shrugs

eyeball · January 30

39 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

In terms of the hysteria in Canada about Donald Trump being an enemy of the Crown ?

the press just days ago asked Buckingham Palace for comment on the matter

and His Majesty The King's official position was ; "no comment"

Sounds like your precious nibs has abandoned us.

Aristides · January 30

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

just more ad hominem drivel, again, you apparently can't argue any points with respect nor logic

instead you just keep bleating on like a woman scorned

cope seethe as you like, I'll just keep vaping your butt hurt tears therein / shrugs

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