Four in ten (43%) Canadians age 18-34 would vote to be American if citizenship and conversion of assets to USD guaranteed - IPSOS

[CdnFox]

This surprised me. Our younger people are a lot more warm to the idea of being Americans than the older generation

 

43% of Canadians age 18-34 would vote to be American if citizenship and conversion of assets to USD guaranteed

[Dougie93]

raised on their Apple iPhones to be de facto Americans by the default of a Post National State

practically every Zoomer bro I meet is Red Pilled

they despise the Woke Progressive lunacy of so called "Canada"

but since they are either in the military or at university

they say they can't speak freely about it, since it's practically criminalized to do so

one things for sure tho, they want their free speech, and they want their guns with a right to defend themselves

to a man, they want to follow Jordan Peterson & Joe Rogan to the promised land

1st & 2nd Amendments FTW

[CdnFox]

Well it is certainly true that more young people are turning to the conservatives, perhaps this isn't entirely surprising and you consider that. It's true that right now Canada is not appeal to people who don't care for the work

[West]

It really doesn't matter. Our economies are so interconnected we are basically one country anyway without the mobility rights to the nice beaches of Florida. 

The only downside is there's a risk you are run by a dictator like Joe Biden

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, West said:

 

The only downside is there's a risk you are run by a dictator like Joe Biden

You've met Justin right?   

[WestCanMan]

22 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This surprised me. Our younger people are a lot more warm to the idea of being Americans than the older generation

I'm not surprised at all.

Look at the price of real estate in Toronto and Vancouver, and then the US... 

For people who aren't already tied down by a mtg, the US offers a lot more opportunity.

IMO there aren't a lot of places to live here that don't suck for young people because they're either 1) cold and shitty with no major cultural centres 2) expensive AF.

If a young person was going to move away to find an affordable home, where would they want to go: Winnipeg, Edmonton, Dallas or Las Vegas? 

Nominally Canada is a larger country than the US, but if you take into account how much of our country is covered by mountains and permafrost, or is located on remote ice-islands, we're not that big of a country. 

I can't believe people move here from Mexico and Costa Rica. I think that's retarded. 

[Radiorum]

There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

The qualifier that becoming a part of the US includes “a full conversion of the Canadian dollar and all personal assets into USD” makes it an absurd hypothetical. That would never happen.

More telling and realistic is the results to “I would never vote to become a permanent part of the US”

77% of Canadians aged 18 – 34 say No.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

The qualifier that becoming a part of the US includes “a full conversion of the Canadian dollar and all personal assets into USD” makes it an absurd hypothetical. That would never happen.

How is that your takeaway? The point is if they Didn't have to start all over again they would rather be Americans. That is a very telling and deeply concerning fact. When I was a kid I wouldn't have cared about the cash conversion I would want to be Canadian. These kids would rather put Canada in the rearview mirror if they could.

Your reply of "Well they probably won't get the opportunity like that"  is not the right response. 

[Radiorum]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

How is that your takeaway? The point is if they Didn't have to start all over again they would rather be Americans. That is a very telling and deeply concerning fact. When I was a kid I wouldn't have cared about the cash conversion I would want to be Canadian. These kids would rather put Canada in the rearview mirror if they could.

Your reply of "Well they probably won't get the opportunity like that"  is not the right response. 

It's true, young Canadian people want more opportunity. They want to be able to buy their first home. But I do not believe Canadians want to be American. The 77% aged 18 - 34 that said they would never vote to become American says that much. 

Don't you feel that great pride in being Canadian? Everyone I know does.

 

 

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

It's true, young Canadian people want more opportunity. They want to be able to buy their first home. But I do not believe Canadians want to be American.

 

 

They say they do.   That would suggest that they want a lot more than just a little more opportunity. That would suggest they believe canada is broken. 

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The 77% aged 18 - 34 that said they would never vote to become American says that much. 

I don't know that it does.  Again, look at the poll here. Links were provided. Don't conflate 

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Don't you feel that great pride in being Canadian? Everyone I know does.

It was just 2 years ago that htere was a massive campaign to cancel canada day and a number of towns and cities did. 

Trudeau has presided over a very serious effort to undermine Canadian pride. 

Ignoring this issue won't just make it go away.  We have to give canadians something to be proud of.  For the last 10 years the gov't has refused to do anything to promote pride while letting churches get burned,  letting terrorists call for our defeat in the streets etc. He's pitted one group against another constantly for political gain. 

We have a severe pride deficit in this country. Hilariously trump may be doing more right now to boost national pride than trudeau did in his 10 years as prime minister. 

If you disagree then tell me what you think the libs have done to substantially promote pride in Canada?

[Aristides]

28 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

It's true, young Canadian people want more opportunity. They want to be able to buy their first home. But I do not believe Canadians want to be American. The 77% aged 18 - 34 that said they would never vote to become American says that much. 

Don't you feel that great pride in being Canadian? Everyone I know does.

 

 

Like Canada, depends where you want to live. Seattle is just as expensive as Vancouver. The average King County home price in 2023 was $950,000 USD or $1.4 million CAD.

[Radiorum]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That would suggest they believe canada is broken. 

I refuse the believe this. We are a work in progress. 

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I don't know that it does.  Again, look at the poll here. Links were provided. Don't conflate 

I'm not. It's clear t hat young Canadians do not want to become American.

Let's not sell our country down the road prematurely.

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It was just 2 years ago that htere was a massive campaign to cancel canada day

By a very small minority.

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

and a number of towns and cities did. 

The actual municipal governments?

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Trudeau has presided over a very serious effort to undermine Canadian pride. 

Ignoring this issue won't just make it go away.  We have to give canadians something to be proud of.  For the last 10 years the gov't has refused to do anything to promote pride while letting churches get burned,  letting terrorists call for our defeat in the streets etc. He's pitted one group against another constantly for political gain. 

We have a severe pride deficit in this country. Hilariously trump may be doing more right now to boost national pride than trudeau did in his 10 years as prime minister. 

If you disagree then tell me what you think the libs have done to substantially promote pride in Canada?

I am not a Trudeau fan and never voted for him. I sure as hell won't defend him.

Yes, ironically, Trump is boosting national pride. But I don't think that is his intent!

It's yet to be seen what Pierre will do for Canada, but I am optimistic.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I refuse the believe this. We are a work in progress. 

That's just you admitting that you're not willing to look facts in the face and that's not a great thing to admit. The evidence is they do believe that Canada is broken. There is little doubt that right now Canada is largely broken. The liberals in the left have damaged us horribly to the point where our children apparently would have preferred to be born American then Canadian by a depressingly large amount

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I'm not. It's clear t hat young Canadians do not want to become American.

Well as you say it's not that you're correct it's that you just refuse to believe. The polling is clear.

No point in replying to the rest of your post if all you're going to do is deny basic facts that have been presented to you. This is legitimate polling from a legitimate company.

So let's change the subject. Obviously you would prefer to lie rather than deal with the truth. Lie to me lie to yourself whatever it takes to avoid dealing with the facts.

We saw this a lot in the American campaign over the course of the year. Both myself and many others on the forum and around the world kept telling democrats and their supporters if you continue to try and lie your way through an election you're going to get creamed. And they got creamed. To know lies constantly, and we all know about the big lie involving by and his mental stability for the last 4 years.

So my question to you is what kind of Canada do you think we can build if we're going to base it and our decisions on lies? Why are you so convinced that this is a great foundation for our society? I personally believe that facts and truth are the only way to build something solid but that's just my opinion, convince me I'm wrong

 

[Radiorum]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

where our children apparently would have preferred to be born American then Canadian by a depressingly large amount

That's not what the statistic shows. It shows young people in Canada want the economic benefits of the US.

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Both myself and many others on the forum and around the world kept telling democrats and their supporters if you continue to try and lie your way through an election you're going to get creamed. And they got creamed. To know lies constantly, and we all know about the big lie involving by and his mental stability for the last 4 years.

To state this in the face of all of Trump's lies is just delusion to the nth degree.

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17 hours ago, Radiorum said:

It's true, young Canadian people want more opportunity. They want to be able to buy their first home. But I do not believe Canadians want to be American. The 77% aged 18 - 34 that said they would never vote to become American says that much. 

Don't you feel that great pride in being Canadian? Everyone I know does.

 

 

@CdnFox I do not believe is Canadian. He just pretends to be Canadian. Ask him something only a Canadian would know. A major event, some memories of big concerts, and the feel of significant events as it pertains to our country.

He has Google, so it would be pointless to ask him about a certain neighbourhood, city or event (like the Stanley Cup Finals), since all the information is out there. 

Edited January 19 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

That's not what the statistic shows. It shows young people in Canada want the economic benefits of the US.

You're trying to spit hairs and it's just a losing cause.  If canadian kids had the choice, canada would be just like america. 

As you've said you don't care about the facts, you simply refuse to believe anything other than what you believe.  So i'm sure that when you look at it your brain twists it into some sort of acceptable format or you. 

But those who dispassionately look at it see that the young people are starting to think that canada is broken and they wish that they lived somewhere like the us. 

And many of them are acting on it.  Emigration to the states is up tremendously and 'politics' is a very often cited reason. And when it's not politics its "Canada is broken" reasons like they can't afford a home or there's no health care. 

 And the number of natural born canadians who are leaving is the biggest precent increase. 

Emigration from Canada to the U.S. hits a 10-year high as tens of thousands head south | CBC News

 

Every single sign shows clearly that young canadians are losing faith in Canada and would rather be american or live in a country more like america.  And the numbers are going up. 

And rather than address that you'd prefer to stick your head in the sand. 

[Nationalist]

On 1/17/2025 at 3:53 PM, Dougie93 said:

raised on their Apple iPhones to be de facto Americans by the default of a Post National State

practically every Zoomer bro I meet is Red Pilled

they despise the Woke Progressive lunacy of so called "Canada"

but since they are either in the military or at university

they say they can't speak freely about it, since it's practically criminalized to do so

one things for sure tho, they want their free speech, and they want their guns with a right to defend themselves

to a man, they want to follow Jordan Peterson & Joe Rogan to the promised land

1st & 2nd Amendments FTW

This is true of my 20-somethng spawn.

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This is true of my 20-somethng spawn.

well I am already an American citizen

and I would say that dual citizenship is indeed the best of both worlds

American father, Canadian mother

right of return in both directions at the border

I grew up in Toronto & Los Angeles

so it doesn't seem strange to me