For those who think that if the USA banned guns the mass killings and woundings would stop....

[CdnFox]

China’s Xi vows to stop mass killings known as ‘revenge on society crimes’ | AP News

... china says 'hold my beer'.

At the end of the day the tool does not make a difference. You get mass casualty events with many commonly available tools like knives and cars and trucks and gasoline etc

At the end of the day Anyone complaining about the tool that a killer uses is just delaying the conversation we need to have about people further and further down the road which means more and more dead.

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Well at the very least, China is addressing the problem, unlike the United States. I wish them luck.

I do not agree with the censorship, but it beats the "lets arm everyone, especially teachers" argument that so many in the US tend to use.

Edited December 27, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Well at the very least, China is addressing the problem, unlike the United States. I wish them luck.

 

well, I'm not 100% sure how effective simply "Ordering" Local officials to try and tackle it will be or whether we can say they've addressed it, but I guess time will tell. At least they're having a discussion about it and looking for solutions which is good.

Until the conversation in the united states stops being about guns and starts being about the violence there is zero chance of anything ever changing in the united states. Which has been the point of many posters

[User]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Well at the very least, China is addressing the problem, unlike the United States. I wish them luck.

I do not agree with the censorship, but it beats the "lets arm everyone, especially teachers" argument that so many in the US tend to use.

No, the argument is that these utopian dreams of fairies and unicorns in so-called "gun free" zones don't work. 

Bad guys don't care. All you guarantee is that defenseless people will be inside. 

It is in fact doing something to oppose this madness. 

[Aristides]

The US jumped the shark when it came to guns a long time ago. They are drowning in them and suffering the consequences.

[Deluge]

5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Well at the very least, China is addressing the problem, unlike the United States. I wish them luck.

I do not agree with the censorship, but it beats the "lets arm everyone, especially teachers" argument that so many in the US tend to use.

I just want a well regulated militia. You never know when the government will finally declare war on its own people.

We know Biden's at least toyed with the idea, knowing what's been going on with his weaponized DoJ and FBI. 

Edited December 27, 2024 by Deluge

[herbie]

Headline written like a True USAian
Suggesting some sort of qualifications and regulation equals banning guns altogether.

Claims to be from a country with such regulations and go out and buy one at a store easily.

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Well at the very least, China is addressing the problem, unlike the United States. I wish them luck.

I do not agree with the censorship, but it beats the "lets arm everyone, especially teachers" argument that so many in the US tend to use.

OMG, listen to the leftard talking about "doing something about mass killings."

Leftists: "OMG that guy used a van to kill 12 people! We need to ignore his reasons for committing that mass-killing and use the deaths as an excuse to ban guns from non-criminals."

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Until the conversation in the united states stops being about guns and starts being about the violence there is zero chance of anything ever changing in the united states. Which has been the point of many posters

Leftists: "It was just some stealing, no big deal. Don't do anything... Oh so he committed a common assault now, it's unrelated to his stealing, don't do anything... Now he just raped someone, again it's unrelated to his previous crimes. He already served 3 months, let him out. Second rape, no big deal, let him out again. Oh look, more assaults, but not very bad ones, so we'll use some of the money from Kamala's bail fund to get them out of jail. And never discriminate against this guy by searching min for guns. OMG HE SHOT SOMEONE! IT'S THE GUN'S FAULT!!!!! TAKE AWAY ALL THE GUNS FROM NON-CRIMINALS!!!" 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Headline written like a True USAian
 

Response written like a true toddler just entering grade 1 with only a vague idea of how English works.

Shall our education system be our next conversation topic?  LOL!

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Leftists: "It was just some stealing, no big deal. Don't do anything... Oh so he committed a common assault now, it's unrelated to his stealing, don't do anything... Now he just raped someone, again it's unrelated to his previous crimes. He already served 3 months, let him out. Second rape, no big deal, let him out again. Oh look, more assaults, but not very bad ones, so we'll use some of the money from Kamala's bail fund to get them out of jail. And never discriminate against this guy by searching min for guns. OMG HE SHOT SOMEONE! IT'S THE GUN'S FAULT!!!!! TAKE AWAY ALL THE GUNS FROM NON-CRIMINALS!!!" 

sadly there is so much truth to this that it hurts.

[User]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

The US jumped the shark when it came to guns a long time ago. They are drowning in them and suffering the consequences.

Not really. 

 

[robosmith]

Mass shootings declined precipitously when AR style weapons were ILLEGAL.

[User]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Mass shootings declined precipitously when AR style weapons were ILLEGAL.

Nope. They increased. One of the worst mass shootings we had ever seen at the time happened during this period. 

Also, the ban did not make all AR style weapons illegal. 

When you are done hiding from me like the coward you are, come on back and I can educate you some more. 
 

[robosmith]

12 hours ago, User said:

Nope. They increased. One of the worst mass shootings we had ever seen at the time happened during this period. 

Also, the ban did not make all AR style weapons illegal. 

When you are done hiding from me like the coward you are, come on back and I can educate you some more. 
 

YOUR ^OPINIONS are no kind of education, ignoramus. LMAO

1994 Assault Weapons Ban

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In 1994, Congress passed the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Act, also known as the Assault Weapons Ban, which prohibited the manufacture, transfer, or possession of certain semi-automatic firearms and magazines: 

 

• Firearms: The ban targeted specific models and characteristics, including: 
   
  • Copycat models 
     
  • Folding stocks 
     
  • Pistol grips 
     
  • Revolving cylinder shotguns 
     
• Magazines: The ban targeted magazines that could hold more than 10 rounds 
   

The ban was part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. It was controversial and passed amid concerns about the role of high-powered firearms in the crack cocaine epidemic of the 1980s and early 1990s. The ban expired in 2004, despite overwhelming public support for its renewal. 

 

 

The ban had several effects, including: 

 

• A 70% drop in mass shooting fatalities during the 10 years the ban was in effect 
   
• A reduction in the proportion of gun homicides resulting from mass shootings 

Did the assault weapons ban of 1994 bring down mass shootings? Here’s what the data tells us

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During the 1994-2004 ban:

In the years after the assault weapons ban went into effect, the number of deaths from mass shootings fell, and the increase in the annual number of incidents slowed down. Even including 1999’s Columbine High School massacre – the deadliest mass shooting during the period of the ban – the 1994 to 2004 period saw lower average annual rates of both mass shootings and deaths resulting from such incidents than before the ban’s inception.

 

[User]

15 minutes ago, robosmith said:

YOUR ^OPINIONS are no kind of education, ignoramus. LMAO

Ah yes, notice how you dishonestly change the argument. You claimed mass shootings declined when they were illegal... they did not. They increased for several years and your big response now is that lower "average" rates and you ignore the deadliest mass shooting by averaging it out. Sure, when you ignore the continued increase for several years and then average it out with the lower rates in the early 2000's and then ignore the deadliest mass shooting in Columbine... 

Gun violence was at its peak in 1993 and continued to trend down after that. The assault weapons ban had next to nothing to do with anything, as violence was already trending down with the tough on crime policies of the early 90's.  

It is not my opinion, these are facts. 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, User said:

Ah yes, notice how you dishonestly change the argument. You claimed mass shootings declined when they were illegal... they did not. They increased for several years and your big response now is that lower "average" rates and you ignore the deadliest mass shooting by averaging it out. Sure, when you ignore the continued increase for several years and then average it out with the lower rates in the early 2000's and then ignore the deadliest mass shooting in Columbine... 

Gun violence was at its peak in 1993 and continued to trend down after that. The assault weapons ban had next to nothing to do with anything, as violence was already trending down with the tough on crime policies of the early 90's.  

It is not my opinion, these are facts. 

 

I was going to point this out. Sometimes it's hard to determine whether or not @robosmith Thinks we're too stupid to see through that crap and catch his lies, or if he's just so stupid that he didn't realize he was being lied to in the first place.

Edited December 29, 2024 by CdnFox

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, User said:

Ah yes, notice how you dishonestly change the argument. You claimed mass shootings declined when they were illegal... they did not. They increased for several years and your big response now is that lower "average" rates and you ignore the deadliest mass shooting by averaging it out. Sure, when you ignore the continued increase for several years and then average it out with the lower rates in the early 2000's and then ignore the deadliest mass shooting in Columbine... 

Gun violence was at its peak in 1993 and continued to trend down after that. The assault weapons ban had next to nothing to do with anything, as violence was already trending down with the tough on crime policies of the early 90's.  

It is not my opinion, these are facts. 

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A 70% drop in mass shooting fatalities during the 10 years the ban was in effect

IS FACT, Duh

Another FACT: AR style weapons are much more lethal due to the power of the ammunition which is designed to tumble and DESTROY ORGANS. 

[User]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

IS FACT, Duh

Another FACT: AR style weapons are much more lethal due to the power of the ammunition which is designed to tumble and DESTROY ORGANS. 

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. LOL

The ban didn’t ban ammo or AR style rifles.

All it did was ban how many characteristics of an “assault weapon” any rifle could have.

All that meant is you could have an AR, but no compensator, no bayonet lug, and no collapsing stock.

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by User

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, User said:

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. LOL

The ban didn’t ban ammo or AR style rifles.

All it did was ban how many characteristics of an “assault weapon” any rifle could have.

All that meant is you could have an AR, but no flash hider, no bayonet lug, and no collapsing stock.

 

AND all the ar's with those things which had been sold already were still in circulation.  It's not like they had a buy back or anything. 

[User]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

AND all the ar's with those things which had been sold already were still in circulation.  It's not like they had a buy back or anything. 

Here was the difference during the ban vs after the ban:

Lets see if @robosmith can tell the difference:

DURING BAN:

AFTER BAN:

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, User said:

Here was the difference during the ban vs after the ban:

Lets see if @robosmith can tell the difference:

DURING BAN:

AFTER BAN:

OOOOH! OOOH!!..... Its the "shoulder thing that goes up", right?!!?

(those who were there for it know what i mean  )  

[Aristides]

On 12/27/2024 at 4:39 PM, User said:

Not really. 

 

Ya. really.

[User]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

Ya. really.

Nope. You look at how many guns we have lawfully owned and how many lawful gun owners there are, things are pretty good. 

If guns were the problem, Plano Texas would be the worst hell hole on Earth. 

You just don't like guns. Maybe you are scared about what you don't understand?

[Fluffypants]

On 12/29/2024 at 4:14 PM, User said:

Nope. You look at how many guns we have lawfully owned and how many lawful gun owners there are, things are pretty good. 

If guns were the problem, Plano Texas would be the worst hell hole on Earth. 

You just don't like guns. Maybe you are scared about what you don't understand?

I have 3 and I never felt like shooting anyone, maybe  I don't have those smart kind that convince people to kill others.

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

I have 3 and I never felt like shooting anyone, maybe  I don't have those smart kind that convince people to kill others.

have you tried turning the safety off? That's probably the problem. I'm sure you'll want to kill everyone in sight as soon as you flip the safety off. Guns don't want you to kill people as long as their safety is on. That's why ARS don't come with safeties.

-the left. Probably.

Edited January 1 by CdnFox