Finance minister resigns Winter statement day

[Politics1990]

20 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Here's a thought.

The guy has MONEY.  He could afford to run a decent private (secret) poll along the lines of...

"If Carney was liberal leader, would you vote for him vs Poilievre ?"

Maybe he knows something.

especially after 4 years of poilevre if people dont  like the changes and you got a guy like carney theres with his resume it might be tempting for alot of  swing voters  to vote for him .

[Politics1990]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I suspect the next leader is going to get clobbered regardless. Most Canadians are pretty done with the whole liberal concept and it's bled over to the NDP as well. That's not going to change just because they swap leaders.

And quite likely we will see a change in NDP leaders right around the same time we're seeing a change in liberal leaders after the next election.

What the liberals really need is someone who can rebuild the party as the next leader. They were already divisions in the party that were significant and I expect that there are a ton of tensions under the surface right now. Canadians faith in the party has been shaken to the core and that doesn't just change with a leader. They are also rudderless and directionless and Canada is absolutely fed up with the whole woke thing.

They need to take a long hard look at themselves, have a long leadership race which really explores who they are and where they're going to go, get the party to buy into that and then move forward.

Otherwise they could very well  find themselves Out of power for three or more terms. 

2 terms at the most i would say if the cons had a level headed leader like otoole  then ye maybe 3 or 4. but  poilerve personality is gonna rub alot of people the wrong way if he makes it to 2 terms and  8 years in power lol.

[Moonbox]

58 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Here's a thought.

The guy has MONEY.  He could afford to run a decent private (secret) poll along the lines of...

"If Carney was liberal leader, would you vote for him vs Poilievre ?"

Maybe he knows something.

I like Carney and have a lot of respect for him.  If he joins Trudeau's government I will lose all respect for him.  Trudeau's management of Canada's finances are the worst that Canada's ever seen, and it's not even close.  It cannot be understated how bad of a job he's done here, and attaching your name to that would be a sign of poor political judgement and a lack of respect for the average voter's intelligence.  

[Politics1990]

singh calling for  trudeau to  resign . as a ndp voter in last election  can we have singh resign 2 please ndp needs fresh blood lol

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Politics1990 said:

2 terms at the most i would say if the cons had a level headed leader like otoole  then ye maybe 3 or 4. but  poilerve personality is gonna rub alot of people the wrong way if he makes it to 2 terms and  8 years in power lol.

I think he's going to rub people the wrong way a lot less than you think. He's a strong leader whether you like his politics or not, and coming off of a week later this will appeal to a lot of Canadians. Also things will definitely get better, let's be honest if we had a potted eggplant that did nothing it would probably be an improvement over some of Justin's ideas. So people will associate their good times with Poilievre.

And unless the liberals get their act together better this time they could find making a comeback a lot harder than they thought. It also depends a little bit on what happens with the NDP who are also likely to be going through some soul-searching after getting rid of Jaggers.

There's also going to be some fairly fundimental changes.  The CBC will likely be a shadow of its former self or gone entirely and the liberals really relied on that. There will be another census and more seats will be allocated which means the west will probably get more voice.

And this time the liberals have done some real damage to their reputation. They certainly hurt themselves back in Paul Martin's day, but this has been literally over a year of young people hating the liberals and wanting an election. This isn't a short-term dissatisfaction like we normally see when there's a government that's gone a little stale, this is becoming ingrained. That may be very hard to fight back against unless they do some serious restructuring. These kids who have lost their opportunities are struggling to get by are not going to forget what life was like under the liberals anytime soon.

And pp is that rarest of leaders,  a good campaigner AND competent at his job. Usually its one or the other.  So, if anyone can pull it off it would likely be him. 

[Politics1990]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I think he's going to rub people the wrong way a lot less than you think. He's a strong leader whether you like his politics or not, and coming off of a week later this will appeal to a lot of Canadians. Also things will definitely get better, let's be honest if we had a potted eggplant that did nothing it would probably be an improvement over some of Justin's ideas. So people will associate their good times with Poilievre.

And unless the liberals get their act together better this time they could find making a comeback a lot harder than they thought. It also depends a little bit on what happens with the NDP who are also likely to be going through some soul-searching after getting rid of Jaggers.

There's also going to be some fairly fundimental changes.  The CBC will likely be a shadow of its former self or gone entirely and the liberals really relied on that. There will be another census and more seats will be allocated which means the west will probably get more voice.

And this time the liberals have done some real damage to their reputation. They certainly hurt themselves back in Paul Martin's day, but this has been literally over a year of young people hating the liberals and wanting an election. This isn't a short-term dissatisfaction like we normally see when there's a government that's gone a little stale, this is becoming ingrained. That may be very hard to fight back against unless they do some serious restructuring. These kids who have lost their opportunities are struggling to get by are not going to forget what life was like under the liberals anytime soon.

And pp is that rarest of leaders,  a good campaigner AND competent at his job. Usually its one or the other.  So, if anyone can pull it off it would likely be him. 

all leaders rub people the wrong way after time.. trudeau did harper did  etc etc before them.  at the end of 2015 harper  was hated about  the same as trudeau is right now where i live ..  someone with PP personlity is not gonna be well loved  after 2 terms of government if he even gets a 2nd term. also PP and competent in the same sentence is laughable what has he done in 20 years  besides yap yap  yap?

Edited December 16, 2024 by Politics1990

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, Politics1990 said:

all leaders rub people the wrong way after time.. trudeau did harper did  etc etc before them.  at the end of 2015 harper  was hated about  the same as trudeau is right now where i live ..  someone with PP personlity is not gonna be well loved  after 2 terms of government if he even gets a 2nd term.

The weirdest one I remember was Joe Clark... he was PM for a few months, went from zero to hero, and the most hated Trudeau Sr. returned for 4-5 years.

Anyway, none of this matters much.  We are in for some major problems and I don't see any bright lights ahead...

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Politics1990 said:

all leaders rub people the wrong way after time.. trudeau did harper did  etc etc before them.  at the end of 2015 harper  was hated about  the same as trudeau is right now where i live ..  someone with PP personlity is not gonna be well loved  after 2 terms of government if he even gets a 2nd term.

Eventually maybe. Or certainly many examples in Canada of governments lasting a long time. Look at McGinty's government which then gave way to wynn without him ever being defeated. Or some of the alberta gov'ts (tho not recently  LOL). 

Times change, and we change with them. There can be no doubt that harper was nowhere near as hated nationwide as Trudeau is right now nor for as long. I honestly can't think of the last time we saw the hatred this deep for this long, the closest I can think of is the PC party at the end of mulroney's turn and even then it wasn't this bad.

It is always possible the liberals will reform themselves and sort of things out, but that is what has to happen and they'll have to find a way to completely Rebrand themselves. If Poilievre does even modestly well it's an easy to terms and the liberals may find it hard to build back big enough to challenge him for the third term if they don't make some pretty fundamental changes. Like it or not the world is moving slightly to the right at the moment and unlike harper poilievre is actually charismatic and so is his family.

Times will tell though, I mean we're not through these current crisis at the moment. It'll be interesting to see if trudeau resigns, tries to stick it out, or calls an election

[Politics1990]

5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

The weirdest one I remember was Joe Clark... he was PM for a few months, went from zero to hero, and the most hated Trudeau Sr. returned for 4-5 years.

Anyway, none of this matters much.  We are in for some major problems and I don't see any bright lights ahead...

i wasnt alive back then but i read about it lol and heard story's from my dad about it.. must of been a wild few month ride lol.

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Eventually maybe. Or certainly many examples in Canada of governments lasting a long time. Look at McGinty's government which then gave way to wynn without him ever being defeated. Or some of the alberta gov'ts (tho not recently  LOL). 

Times change, and we change with them. There can be no doubt that harper was nowhere near as hated nationwide as Trudeau is right now nor for as long. I honestly can't think of the last time we saw the hatred this deep for this long, the closest I can think of is the PC party at the end of mulroney's turn and even then it wasn't this bad.

It is always possible the liberals will reform themselves and sort of things out, but that is what has to happen and they'll have to find a way to completely Rebrand themselves. If Poilievre does even modestly well it's an easy to terms and the liberals may find it hard to build back big enough to challenge him for the third term if they don't make some pretty fundamental changes. Like it or not the world is moving slightly to the right at the moment and unlike harper poilievre is actually charismatic and so is his family.

Times will tell though, I mean we're not through these current crisis at the moment. It'll be interesting to see if trudeau resigns, tries to stick it out, or calls an election

maybe not nationwide because lets face it alberta and sask would vote con if even a dog ran under the banner  but as a atlantic canadian i can say harper was indeed hated about the same as trudeau is right now lol you don't get swept 32-0  without being hated

[Michael Hardner]

14 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

1. i wasnt alive back then but i read about it lol and heard story's from my dad about it.. must of been a wild few month ride lol.

2. maybe not nationwide because lets face it alberta and sask would vote con if even a dog ran under the banner  but as a atlantic canadian i can say harper was indeed hated about the same as trudeau is right now lol you don't get swept 32-0  without being hated

1. The one aspect of CDN politics that is more exciting than USA: governments just go poof... like today (maybe)

2. Easterners didn't like Harper much but nobody ever said so.  They just voted that way.  I never heard anybody here say thing one about him.

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

  I never heard anybody here say thing one about him.

As opposed to Trudeau.  Even in Toronto there are trucks with F*** Trudeau stickers, seriously.

[Politics1990]

16 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. The one aspect of CDN politics that is more exciting than USA: governments just go poof... like today (maybe)

2. Easterners didn't like Harper much but nobody ever said so.  They just voted that way.  I never heard anybody here say thing one about him.

As opposed to Trudeau.  Even in Toronto there are trucks with F*** Trudeau stickers, seriously.

i remember seeing ****  harper   or  stop harper stickers on cars in my riding in 2015   but yea the trudeau hate is growing more and more by t he week att his poinnt i suppose

[Politics1990]

eh dominic leblanc   gonna be named finance minister  according to cbc.  

[eyeball]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

1. The one aspect of CDN politics that is more exciting than USA: governments just go poof... like today (maybe)

Notice our bureaucracies and institutions keep on functioning.

I wonder how exciting America's politics would get if it's government went poof, careful what you wish for? 

[Reg Volk]

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Firstly, Singh's pension is not an issue. He will still be an MP and leader of the NDP after the next election. His seat is not in danger.

You sure about that?

https://338canada.com/59037e.htm

Jimmy Jelly Spine is sitting in third place right now.

[Politics1990]

1 minute ago, Reg Volk said:

You sure about that?

https://338canada.com/59037e.htm

Jimmy Jelly Spine is sitting in third place right now.

pretty sure thats not his riding lol

[Reg Volk]

5 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

pretty sure thats not his riding lol

Pretty sure it is lol...

Burnaby South was created by the 2012 federal electoral boundaries redistribution and was legally defined in the 2013 representation order. It came into effect upon the call of the 42nd Canadian federal election, which took place in October 2015.^[4]

There was a by-election on February 25, 2019, to determine the Member of Parliament for Burnaby South,^[5] which was won by New Democratic Party leader Jagmeet Singh.^[6] The seat was vacated by Kennedy Stewart, who resigned in September 2018 and won the 2018 Vancouver municipal election in October to become the mayor of Vancouver.^[7][8]

The district will be replaced by Vancouver Fraserview—South Burnaby and Burnaby Central for the 45th Canadian federal election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnaby_South

Here's shit-head's bio:

https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/jagmeet-singh(71588)

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Polievre needs to pay attention to Trudeau's situation. The Dept. of Finance warned the PMO not to persue it's reckless spending anf the PMO refused to listen. Trudeau is now burnt toast on the way to the bin. The lesson for PP is don't make the mistake of ignoring the advice of the professionals in the public service, They are the men and women who have decades of experience and know what they are talking about. If Pierre doesn't get rid of his illusions that he knows better than the people who know what they are doing, he will follow Prime Minister Trudeau into defeat.

Sounds like good advice but following the experts is a tough sell to Poilievre's most vociferous supporters.

In the meantime I can't believe Poilievre still wants to have an election around the issue of the carbon tax. We need an election where the issue is how to confront the issue of Trump's tariffs and the effect of a 25% kick to the head in our economy.

We're supposed to believe taking out the 0.5% effect of the carbon tax has on the economy will save the day?

Is that what the experts are likely to say?

Edited December 16, 2024 by eyeball

[Politics1990]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Sounds like good advice but following the experts is a tough sell to Poilievre's most vociferous supporters.

In the meantime I can't believe Poilievre still wants to have an election around the issue of the carbon tax. We need an election where the issue is how to confront the issue of Trump's tariffs and the effect of a 25% kick to the head in our economy.

We're supposed to believe taking out the 0.5% effect of the carbon tax has on the economy will save the day?

Is that what the experts are likely to say?

lol hes gonna run with that carbon tax slogan to his grave   beyond annoying at this point it's why i can't ever vote for him get some real ideas  instead of just babbling  same line  day after day

[Politics1990]

61.9B deficeit  damn lol.  what PP will cut to trim it though has be worried

[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

Freeland has resigned  from her role as Finance minster  discuss   personally was never a big fan of her in the role anyway  she didnt have the credentials to be qualified for it

Like Justin had any credentials....She was Justins right hand person, this party is done , all we are waiting for now is for justin to says he quits...

[Politics1990]

Just now, Army Guy said:

Like Justin had any credentials....She was Justins right hand person, this party is done , all we are waiting for now is for justin to says he quits...

lol the party will be back in 6-10 years same cycle as usual

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

singh calling for  trudeau to  resign . as a ndp voter in last election  can we have singh resign 2 please ndp needs fresh blood lol

According to the polls in his home riding he is losing big time to a conservative....unless he takes another riding from some place else he is done....

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

61.9B deficeit  damn lol.  what PP will cut to trim it though has be worried

I wouldn't be worried in the least if he started with subsidies to the fossil fuel industry.

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Canada's federal and provincial governments provide billions of dollars in subsidies to the fossil fuel industry each year: 

 

• Federal government

  In 2023, the federal government provided at least $18.553 billion in financial support to the fossil fuel industry. This includes: 

   

  • $8 billion in loan guarantees for the Trans Mountain pipeline 
     
  • $7.339 billion in public financing through Export Development Canada 
     
  • Over $1.3 billion for carbon capture and storage projects 
     
• Provincial governments

  British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan provide more than $2.5 billion in royalty reductions and tax exemptions to the fossil fuel industry every year. Ontario gives $500 million in tax breaks to aviation and agricultural fuels. Manitoba, Québec, and the Atlantic provinces give similar tax exemptions to fuel and natural gas. 

   
• Total cost

  The total cost of fossil fuel subsidies to Canadian taxpayers is at least $6.03 billion, or roughly $214 per taxpayer every year. 

[Politics1990]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I wouldn't be worried in the least if he started with subsidies to the fossil fuel industry.

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AI Overview

Learn more

 

Canada's federal and provincial governments provide billions of dollars in subsidies to the fossil fuel industry each year: 

 

• Federal government

  In 2023, the federal government provided at least $18.553 billion in financial support to the fossil fuel industry. This includes: 

   

  • $8 billion in loan guarantees for the Trans Mountain pipeline 
     
  • $7.339 billion in public financing through Export Development Canada 
     
  • Over $1.3 billion for carbon capture and storage projects 
     
• Provincial governments

  British Columbia, Alberta, and Saskatchewan provide more than $2.5 billion in royalty reductions and tax exemptions to the fossil fuel industry every year. Ontario gives $500 million in tax breaks to aviation and agricultural fuels. Manitoba, Québec, and the Atlantic provinces give similar tax exemptions to fuel and natural gas. 

   
• Total cost

  The total cost of fossil fuel subsidies to Canadian taxpayers is at least $6.03 billion, or roughly $214 per taxpayer every year. 

conservatives love the oil companys i doubt he even touches them lol

[Army Guy]

PP is not going to cut any oil he is going to ramp up all our resources....oil and gas included....He is going to cut funding to Foreign identities, and organizations, cut some of our new social programs, cut the CBC, and if we are lucky maybe reduce the postal service to one pony and 2 riders...cut civil service numbers....

But until he announces his election campaign promises you liberals and NDP support will continue to guess, and speculate that the sky is fallen...atleast for the next 8 to 12 years... and once things get back on plane, a liberal will come in and wreck it all....