No longer a British colony, Canada becomes the 51st US state.

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the MAGA movement is fully aware of Canada's vulnerabilities,  and MAGA intends to exploit that

Canadians keep talking about how tariffs will raise prices on imports from Canada

but MAGA is willing to take that hit

because the ultimate objective is to suck jobs and investment out of Canada into America

America intends to grow the wages to meet the prices

I mean, you don't actually want prices to fall, since that would actually be a depression

all you can do is grow your way out of the inflation trap, and Canada's economy is ripe for the taking therein

But the better move for America is simply to incorporate Canada within itself and to do it by convincing Canadians that they can manage Canada’s economy better and make Canada more Canadian than the federal government in Ottawa.  I don’t mean invasion, because that’s costly and makes America the ugly aggressive undemocratic power. No, you do it through the power of ideas, and freedom and prosperity are winning ideas.  If the Canadian government can do a better job providing freedom and prosperity and protecting Canadian culture, great.  Right now they seem intent on disparaging the Canadian identity and hamstringing its citizens economically and weakening their rights.  They seem to care more about pleasing unaccountable global elites than representing Canadians’ interests.  

Edited December 6, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

I agree it’s a problem. It’s that cartel infiltration problem again.  

well, not to be too Blackbird about it, but this is what comes of Mary worshipping

next thing you know, you're taking the knee with Justin Trudeau

in the name of "Feminist & Indigenous ways of knowing"

the French & Indian collectivist enemies of Anglo American liberty

thus is the poison pill embedded in the Constitution Act 1982

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25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

sort of a pointless battle, when the Pope himself is Woke

Define woke.

[Zeitgeist]

18 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

well, not to be too Blackbird about it, but this is what comes of Mary worshipping

next thing you know, you're taking the knee with Justin Trudeau

in the name of "Feminist & Indigenous ways of knowing"

the French & Indian collectivist enemies of Anglo American liberty

thus is the poison pill embedded in the Constitution Act 1982

Well you know I’m on the Catholic side of Canada, but I’m very anti-woke.  Look, I think both sides in our early history were glorious in their own ways, whether we’re talking Brant and the Six Nations Iroquois or the Hurons and Brebeuf.  Both are heroic.  Similarly the Brits and the Yanks of 1812 are both heroic.  What I can’t stand are the woke cultural Marxists who desecrate it all as merely “oppressive settler colonial and genocidal”.   That’s the enemy of Canada, Britain, France, America, First Nations, and Christianity. That’s the spiritual battle against dark forces in my book. Do I think these forces have infiltrated the Vatican? Yes. I guess you think it happened hundreds of years ago, but where are the Protestant churches now? Woke enough for ya?

 

Edited December 6, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

43 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But the better move for America is simply to incorporate Canada within itself and to do it by convincing Canadians that they can manage Canada and make Canada more Canadian than the federal government in Ottawa.  I don’t mean invasion, because that’s costly and makes America the ugly aggressive undemocratic power.  No, you do it through the power of ideas, and freedom and prosperity are winning ideas.  If the Canadian government can do a better job providing freedom and prosperity and protecting Canadian culture, great.  Right now they seem intent on disparaging the Canadian identity and hamstringing its citizens economically and weakening their rights.  They seem to care more about pleasing unaccountable global elites than representing Canadians’ interests.  

MAGA Republicans are fully aware

that the vast majority of Canadians are commie sympathizers whom fear & loathe us

we have zero interest in incorporating the frozen farm team for the America hating Democrat party

Canada is a proxy for our sworn enemies

the Democrat plantation aristocracy and their Chinese Communist masters in Beijing

the only people in Canada whom we respect, is the Freedom Convoy

whom Canada crushed with glee under its authoritarian jackboots

we will avenge the Truckers caught behind the Iron Curtain against American freedom

by giving Commie Canada a taste of its own medicine ; just desserts

Edited December 6, 2024 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

but where are the Protestant churches now? Woke enough for ya?

 there is no such thing as the Church of Protestantism 

there is only me, the Gospels, and the Nazarene

no man nor office between us

[WestCanMan]

It was obviously a joke, because Canada would never join as a single state. 

If Canada ceased to exist as we currently do there's too much dividing us for western and eastern Canada to remain linked together. Quebec and Alberta both have a large share of separatists as it stands right now. It's almost 50% in Que and has been for a long time, if elections are to be believed. 

It would be more logical for NA to divide into separate northeast coast, east-coast, central, west coast, and northern nations. 

Alberta and NY have nothing in common. Nfld and California would hate each other. Texas and Quebec would hate each other more. Just imagine Quebec in a country where they can't take what they want from the other states/provinces.... They'd be miserable. 

I could see the GTA as part of an east coast country. Quebec alone. The Maritimes and Nfld maybe joining with Maine, Connecticut, Vermont, NH, etc. The prairies and central USA together. BC with Oregon and Cali. I can't imagine it all as one big country. I think it would start to fracture almost instantly, into the groups I mentioned. 

[Zeitgeist]

The question is not so much about whether this polity should join another polity as whether democracy still lives in the way most people think it should, with representative government elected by the people for the people.  It’s about whether people are self-determining their lives or have given up on that idea. 

[Dougie93]

25 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It was obviously a joke

PSYOPS

MAGA is fully aware that the Democrat party's frozen farm team in Canada is frightened into hysterics

President Trump is just playing on Canada's pathological insecurities to increase the leverage

 

 

[herbie]

Lord Haw-Haw speaks again...

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1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well you know I’m on the Catholic side of Canada, but I’m very anti-woke.  Look, I think both sides in our early history were glorious in their own ways, whether we’re talking Brant and the Six Nations Iroquois or the Hurons and Brebeuf.  Both are heroic.  Similarly the Brits and the Yanks of 1812 are both heroic.  What I can’t stand are the woke cultural Marxists who desecrate it all as merely “oppressive settler colonial and genocidal”.   That’s the enemy of Canada, Britain, France, America, First Nations, and Christianity. That’s the spiritual battle against dark forces in my book. Do I think these forces have infiltrated the Vatican? Yes. I guess you think it happened hundreds of years ago, but where are the Protestant churches now? Woke enough for ya?

 

Can you define "woke" for me. Or at least what you thing woke is.

What does this have to do with Marxism? 

Edited December 6, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[Zeitgeist]

21 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Can you define "woke" for me. Or at least what you thing woke is.

What does this have to do with Marxism? 

Sorry, it’s been done too many times on here already.  I believe you’re capable of that research.  

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10 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Sorry, it’s been done too many times on here already.  I believe you’re capable of that research.  

Sorry, the definition of "woke" has never been established. It's arguably the most overused word in the English language over the past five years.

The truth is, you have no idea what woke means. Woke seems to have evolved into a pejorative, that can be used to define anyone who happens to disagree with you.  

Edited December 6, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[herbie]

Anything requiring so much as a red c*nt hair of effort not to offend lots of people is 'woke'.
Being as offensive as possible to as many as possible as often as possible is Freedumb of Speech, right next to Godliness.

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Sorry, the definition of "woke" has never been established. It's arguably the most overused word in the English language over the past five years.

The truth is, you have no idea what woke means. Woke seems to have evolved into a pejorative, that can be used to define anyone who happens to disagree with you.  

Dougie and I have talked these topics out for a long time.  I agree that the word woke has become a bit of a catch-all term that people interpret in different ways.  For me it’s a shorthand for cultural Marxism and the focus on race and identity groups that has become the obsession of DEI training and policy, but there’s a lot more to it than the above.  My work and studies bring me into close involvement with this work actually.

There’s a cultural rot which started out with people taking their rights and prosperity for granted and forgetting how hard won and improbable our liberal democracy is. Because we stopped fighting for it and valuing it, some very active voices at the extremes have essentially set up shop in our government and universities and corporations.

Suddenly Canada is a colonial blight and all of our tremendous achievements are overruled by new narratives of oppression that are unfair but to which we’re required to adhere.  It’s in our K-12 schools.  People are starting to see the radical nature of this movement for what it is, yet they’re also genuinely scared of being cancelled for questioning it. The Americans are pushing back against it harder than we are because, as we’ve learned these past few years, their rights are sturdier than ours, especially on free speech.  

Edited December 6, 2024 by Zeitgeist

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3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Dougie and I have talked these topics out for a long time.  I agree that the word woke has become a bit of a catch-all term that people interpret in different ways.  For me it’s a shorthand for cultural Marxism and the focus on race and identity groups that has become the obsession of DEI training and policy, but there’s a lot more to it than the above.  My work and studies bring me into close involvement with this work actually.

From what I have read, woke was slang that Black Americans used for "awake." It was used infrequently during the civil rights movement, then during the Black Lives Matter movement. It only became prerogative in the past 5 years or so. There is not really much connection to Marxism. 

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

There’s a cultural rot which started out with people taking their rights and prosperity for granted and forgetting how hard won and improbable our liberal democracy is.  Because we stopped fighting for it and valuing it, some very active voices at the extremes have essentially set up shop in our government and universities and corporations. 

It is more accurate to describe greed, and the gap between rich and poor, that has been growing since the 80s, and accelerating at a dangerous pace for the past 20 years. We saw this week how disgruntled Americans are towards the rich 1%, when a CEO of a predatory health insurance company was shot to death.

If it is "woke" to come together, and rise up against the rich oligarchs that control things (Trump, Musk, Koch, etc), and get the people unified, and rise up, then count me in. Why should my taxes be increased while I slave away working 50 hours per week, in order to give multi millionaires tax breaks. If that makes me "woke" than I will wear that badge with honour. 

[Zeitgeist]

30 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

From what I have read, woke was slang that Black Americans used for "awake." It was used infrequently during the civil rights movement, then during the Black Lives Matter movement. It only became prerogative in the past 5 years or so. There is not really much connection to Marxism. 

It is more accurate to describe greed, and the gap between rich and poor, that has been growing since the 80s, and accelerating at a dangerous pace for the past 20 years. We saw this week how disgruntled Americans are towards the rich 1%, when a CEO of a predatory health insurance company was shot to death.

If it is "woke" to come together, and rise up against the rich oligarchs that control things (Trump, Musk, Koch, etc), and get the people unified, and rise up, then count me in. Why should my taxes be increased while I slave away working 50 hours per week, in order to give multi millionaires tax breaks. If that makes me "woke" than I will wear that badge with honour. 

I know the old usage of that word.  You seem to be citing Occupy Wall Street values.  Those still carry some weight, but that’s not really the phenomenon I’m describing.  I’d retell the whole story but I don’t have the time.  A good place to start is looking at stakeholder capitalism and the alliance between government and corporations.  It’s more sophisticated, powerful and dangerous, because it wears a mask of ethics, but it’s really about imposing forms of dependence and captivity on populations for self-aggrandizement, cloaked in the new false religion of inclusion and fighting climate change.

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16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I know the old usage of that word.  You seem to be citing Occupy Wall Street values.  Those still carry some weight, but that’s not really the phenomenon I’m describing.  I’d retell the whole story but I don’t have the time.  A good place to start is looking at stakeholder capitalism and the alliance between government and corporations.  It’s more sophisticated, powerful and dangerous, because it wears a mask of ethics, but it’s really about imposing forms of dependence and captivity on populations for self-aggrandizement, cloaked in the new false religion of inclusion and fighting climate change.

Climate change is real. It cannot be disputed. There was overwhelming scientific evidence back in the 90s, and things have only gotten worse. What is wrong with inclusion? 

However, I know where you are going with this, and to simp for billionaires like Musk, Ramasharmy, Trump, and others, is to bow down in servitude of your masters. 

You can either be a part of the machine, or fight it. Do what you think is best for your children.

 

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Climate change is real. It cannot be disputed. There was overwhelming scientific evidence back in the 90s, and things have only gotten worse. What is wrong with inclusion? 

However, I know where you are going with this, and to simp for billionaires like Musk, Ramasharmy, Trump, and others, is to bow down in servitude of your masters. 

You can either be a part of the machine, or fight it. Do what you think is best for your children.

 

My gosh you’re coming late to the party.  I know quite a lot about this going back to Lovelock’s book Gaia which talked about climate change in the 70’s.  I don’t dispute that climate change is real and humans are influencing it. What is highly contestable is the extent of human influence on natural warming and cooling cycles, as well as the degree to which we can mitigate our influence through policy in relation to cost.  To be honest these ideas were heavily discussed years ago.  Also, you complained about Musk, whose EV technology and battery technology has probably made the single biggest impact on the switch away from combustion engines.

These are complex issues without easy answers.  Note that Canada has carbon taxes and the US doesn’t, yet their emissions have declined and ours are rising.  You need to study energy.  I have a $33000 solar power system on my roof that produces little power.  I bought into the myth that we could power our energy grid through solar and wind, which are completely inadequate to the task.  They actually require the backstopping of oil and gas when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing, because you can’t dial up or down nuclear and hydro on demand.  There’s a lot of shallow ignorance on these topics 

I don’t have time to explain why DEI is extremely problematic, particularly the diversity ideological take on equity.  I’ve done years of reading on the topic   Of course equality and making people feel included are important   What I’m criticizing has zero to do with that.  I want to reduce the rate of human made global warming too.  LGBTQ2S+ are welcome to my social circle too. Most people agree about these things in a general sense, but you have to dig into the particulars of these topics to discern the consequences of potential policies and approaches.  On some of these issues I’ve revised my views because I’ve seen the unintended consequences or ideological creep, etc   

 

Edited December 6, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[WestCanMan]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

Lord Haw-Haw speaks again...

All of your posts should start with "Lard Hee-Haw speaks again". It was sooo perfect.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Note that Canada has carbon taxes and the US doesn’t, yet their emissions have declined and ours are rising.  

The "global warming" topic is extremely complex, and the CBC treats it just like they did covid: any stiff (or Swedish HS dropout) who's regurgitating their propaganda gets beatified and is handed a megaphone, and dissenters are slandered and de-platformed regardless of their education and credentials. 

Leftists loved Greta's global warming diatribe so much that CNN basically gave her an honorary doctorate in US race relations. 

The hypocrisy of glo-worms is next level: "I'm in my private jet, going from one of my mansions to the other just for lunch, then I'll be flying to the coast where I'll host a party on my luxury yacht - we'll do a 3-hr cruise and burn 2,000 gallons of fuel. As I fly above the peons, I can't help but notice how many of them are in gas-powered vehicles, killing the planet. #weepingrealtearsfor motherearth." 

[Army Guy]

On 12/5/2024 at 11:37 AM, Politics1990 said:

no thanks  zero interest in being american

I get it you think America is screwed up ...so what is it you love about Canada that is not available in the US. What makes Canada so much better that you don't want to leave it...

[Army Guy]

22 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

 

Thank God. Because of social media, I was worried support for joining the US may be as high as 25%. Luckily, the hardcore MAGA hyenas as just oddballs, and 95% of Canadians are patriotic. 

Patriotic how so, Canadians don't care for anything but themselves...we have a voice but refuse to us it unless it benefits us...What do you do that makes you patriotic...

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11 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Patriotic how so, Canadians don't care for anything but themselves...we have a voice but refuse to us it unless it benefits us...What do you do that makes you patriotic...

I feel sorry for you. So much hatred for your own country. 

[Army Guy]

44 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I feel sorry for you. So much hatred for your own country. 

Not my country, i spilled blood for this country, i love what Canada use to be....what i hate are  just the people like you in it...