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[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

You're calling the American judicial system a fraud? Them's pretty big words. I disagree with you. I think the judicial system worked. I think those 12 jurors did their duty and did it responsibly.

As usual with you lefties, when you can't argue with what I said you make up something I didn't say and argue with that instead  

I think any system anywhere can be manipulated by Bad actors and that's very clearly what happened here. The jurors follow the instructions of the judge, it's not their fault.

But there is a reason why the judge so passionately refused to allow the case to switch venues. He knew that no other judge would be willing to do what he was doing and he worried that a jury that hated trump less might not be willing to go for his shenanigans

And like I said the Americans agreed with me. As the results of the election show

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False. many do. Including me.

Sorry, I should have said nobody sane does.

 

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Keep talking and soon you will believe yourself.

Again it would seem that the Americans agree with me.

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Look, Trump got a fair, impartial trial. It does not even matter if the initial charges were politically motivated.

Those two statements are 100% at odds. The trial is motivated by politics rather than fundamental justice then you are not getting a fair trial. And it wasn't just the trial that's the problem the charges themselves are absolutely bonkers. "If you believe a felony happened, any felony you don't even have to agree on which one it was, without us having to prove that the felony occurred, then you can decide that this was a felony as well even though the other felony was in no way shape or form proven nor was he even tried or accused of the felonies". The Tinkerbell law here is just a complete joke.

How can you possibly argue he had due process where his conviction required that he be convicted in the minds of the jury for charges he was never even charged for and had no chance to defend himself against? Where exactly is the due process there?

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And if you don't think Trump is going to try to destroy his opponents, you don't know Trump.

So why isn't Hillary Clinton in jail? He very clearly could have gone after her and promised to.

However, this time might very well be different. And who exactly would blame him if he did go after his political opponents given the fact that that's what they did to him now? If he doesn't go after them they're going to be emboldened to do this to either him or the next guy. The democrats have made it necessary to go after them with both barrels and do as much damage as humanly possible so that they learn that this Behavior will be punished and not to do it next time.

They opened that door. They can hardly be upset if trump walks through it and shuts it behind them

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This is irony in real life. Anyone that believes that Trump is a victim has swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker.

First off apparently you don't know what irony means. And second off what I said was that democrats have an ability of self-delusion and you kind of just blew my point

 

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It's disturbing to me that you think this can be reduced to a contest. It's disturbing to hear so many people thinking they are doing "what is good" while filled with hate. 

There was a philosopher named Georg Hegel (1770-1831) who said that evil isn’t the opposite of good – it is the good which believes itself to be completely good. “Goodness so good is evil, if you will.”

That sums up for me the attitudes of much of the Right.

I am reminded of another quote, from Voltaire:

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”

And that is what Trump is doing.

 

Yeah what a load of bullshit.

The one here filled with hate is you. The democrats have become a party of hatred and bigotry. The very thing they accuse other people of they have become

And like I said one of your tells is that when you're losing you go to  quotes. You seem to have this thought that when your own logic fails and you cannot make an intelligent argument that is compelling that if you turn to someone famous who said something and borrow their argument somehow it will be more effective or make you seem like you're more knowledgeable than you are.

I'll be blunt, it's not working out that way for you

Very few people would accept the definition of evil as being too much good. In any case I'm not really a big fan of the idea of good and evil. The concepts are simply subjective to the point of not being useful.

And the bad news is Voltaire's quote applies more to the dems than anyone else. It's absurd to think Trump is hitler. It's absurd to think those trials were any kind of justice.  etc etc. 

And if you pay careful attention when I said was you lost the election. That's not about the competition that is about the judgment at the end. The American people judged the arguments you're putting forward and they found them to be not compelling

 

So what do you really find disturbing? It would seem that what you find disturbing is that nobody is buying your bull crap. And I can understand why you would find that disturbing but it's time to come to grips with it and realize that the problem is with your bull crap and not the people.

Or you can enjoy the Republicans for the next 12 years

[Radiorum]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

you lefties

I need to stop you right there. I am not a leftie. I just recognize deceit when I see it.

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But there is a reason why the judge so passionately refused to allow the case to switch venues. He knew that no other judge would be willing to do what he was doing and he worried that a jury that hated trump less might not be willing to go for his shenanigans

This represents a lot of unfounded assumptions on your part. Passionately? Please, what - did he make a fevered speech from a balcony? The trial was in New York because that is where the crimes occurred. The Constitution entitles you to a jury of your peers - not a jury of your peers that agrees with your politics.

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The trial is motivated by politics rather than fundamental justice then you are not getting a fair trial.

No, we can separate charges from trial. 

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

However, this time might very well be different. And who exactly would blame him if he did go after his political opponents given the fact that that's what they did to him now? If he doesn't go after them they're going to be emboldened to do this to either him or the next guy. The democrats have made it necessary to go after them with both barrels and do as much damage as humanly possible so that they learn that this Behavior will be punished and not to do it next time.

This ignores the fact that Trump did break laws, and Democrats didn't.

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The democrats have become a party of hatred and bigotry

Your misunderstanding.

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

you go to  quotes.

I'm willing to learn from past great minds. There's a lot to be learned there.

Sorry, not sorry, if it intimidates you.

 

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Very few people would accept the definition of evil as being too much good.

I think it fits very well with the Right. They think they are the sole exemplars of righteousness.

 

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And the bad news is Voltaire's quote applies more to the dems than anyone else. It's absurd to think Trump is hitler. It's absurd to think those trials were any kind of justice.  etc etc. 

This is weak. I expected better from you. It's like you grab the "Hitler" thing when you're flailing. 

It is patently absurd to think that Trump won the 2020 election.

 

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The American people judged the arguments you're putting forward and they found them to be not compelling

Yeah, Breitbart and OAN told them so.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I need to stop you right there. I am not a leftie. I just recognize deceit when I see it.

It's very clear from multiple posts of yours that you are on the left side of the political spectrum. Or are you like some other lefties here going to try and pass yourself off as a right winger?   

 

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This represents a lot of unfounded assumptions on your part. Passionately? Please, what - did he make a fevered speech from a balcony? The trial was in New York because that is where the crimes occurred. The Constitution entitles you to a jury of your peers - not a jury of your peers that agrees with your politics.

Well you're wrong on all counts. If you watch some of his presentations about the trial I think passionately fits nicely. The law specifically allows for a change in venue when there is any possibility of the judge being biased or prejudice as was clearly the case here seeing as his daughter was making massive bucks off of it and given his promises to go after trump. Darien question is noted as being extremely anti-trump and you absolutely do have the right to change venues in the event that you can show that the area in question would be more likely to be prejudicial towards you

So very clearly you don't know how law works. And normally the judge would recuse themselves and send it to a different judge without a lot of trouble. But this one wanted to be the one who got trump. And that's a problem

 

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No, we can separate charges from trial. 

You cannot. The law recognizes inherent bias as being an impediment to justice. This judge ignored that

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This ignores the fact that Trump did break laws, and Democrats didn't.

Sure they did. But they don't stand trial for it. And that has been the tradition going back for quite some way.

So let's get real. If trump manages to find some sort of charges to go after various democrats on and manages to get a number of them locked up and it's obviously for political reasons, you'll come back here and praise him and the system and say they totally deserved it because they broke the law, right? Right? Hello? Bueller?

 

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Your misunderstanding.

There's no misunderstanding and it's not an opinion or theoretical, a regularly display their hatred and bigotry.

 

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'm willing to learn from past great minds. There's a lot to be learned there.

Very clearly you're not, but you want to give the impression that you are. So you try and come up with a quote that is somehow meaningful but often isn't and throw it out there because you think that the name of the person will hold more weight even if the quote isn't really appropriate. As you did here neither quote was particularly relevant, you just tried to change the narrative to shoe warned it in to make yourself look less stupid than you were being.

A good quote at the right time can have impact but you overuse it when you are pushed against the wall and don't know how to respond. You need to do better

As it stands it just looks weak and stupid

 

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I think it fits very well with the Right. They think they are the sole exemplars of righteousness.

No you don't, and if you thought about it for more than 3 seconds you would see why. As it is you think it sounds cool and clever and it's neither

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This is weak. I expected better from you. It's like you grab the "Hitler" thing when you're flailing. 

ROLFMAO!!!! That was the DEMOCRATS!!! Not ME!  The DEMOCRATS 'grabbed the hitler'   LOL  Honestly kid, what were you thinking?

You're getting flustered and making dumb mistakes. Calm down, breathe, try again.

 

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It is patently absurd to think that Trump won the 2020 election.

Why.  The problem is you can't actually effecively prove there's no interference with the way the american system works. And there ARE irregularities that have popped up which are difficult to explain, like where'd those millions of voters come from and go? 

You've still got hillary clinton walking around saying trump didn't win the 2016 election, and many dems agree with her. 

Fun fact, going back to the 2000s whichever side loses thinks the election was rigged and the other side cheated to win. 

So..  it is not patently absurd at all.  However the US has always taken the approach that regardless whomever is found to be the pres is the pres even if you think they might have cheated, and trump was very late accepting that fact.  He did concede in the end tho. 

 

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Yeah, Breitbart and OAN told them so.

Sure. They have that much power   LOLOLOL

[ironstone]

On 12/15/2024 at 5:25 PM, Radiorum said:

Yeah, Breitbart and OAN told them so.

And on the other side, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, Hollywood plus most major daily newspapers all shilling for the left.

[Radiorum]

On 12/18/2024 at 7:54 PM, ironstone said:

And on the other side, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, Hollywood plus most major daily newspapers all shilling for the left.

But the right-wing influencers are controlling the narrative right now, including Trumps' biggest influencer, Musk

[CdnFox]

34 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

But the right-wing influencers are controlling the narrative right now, including Trumps' biggest influencer, Musk

Maybe not controlling it just yet, but it's heading in that direction. Especially if musk actually buys NBC  

I do love it that you're proposing the idea that the left has control of numerous mainstream media as well as facebook and Google but somehow they're not in control of the narrative, just musk with X is

I do imagine however that the right will have learned its lesson and will be moving to continue to counter the severe propaganda from the left and is repression of any right-wing friendly stories. I suspect the next half decade or more is going to be a lesson in what happens when you attack people's rights, when you attempt to weaponize the law against them, and when you are dishonest and repressive and the other side gets sick of it. Of course the republicans are going to want to pay some of that back. They may not be there yet but give it a little bit of time.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

But the right-wing influencers are controlling the narrative right now, including Trumps' biggest influencer, Musk

Also, you have tacitly accepted the assertion that the biggest media corporations are leftist here.

Not including NPR which is puny, the news corps listed are owned by multinationals Disney, Comcast, Warner and Paramount with about a quarter trillion in revenue per year.

Not bad for leftists.

On 12/2/2024 at 12:22 PM, Radiorum said:

 

In fact, a rejection of "intellectual elites" may have cost Harris the election. 

 

How? 🤔

[Moonlight Graham]

On 12/3/2024 at 4:32 PM, herbie said:

Certainly seems that the political right has a lock on the illiterati demographic.

We live in an era where one side denies facts and the other side thinks they know everything because they read some books and took numerous classes, not realizing that a bunch of those books and profs have strong leftwing biases in how they interpret facts (via social theories and whatnot).  Some even suppress certain facts that don't align with their worldview.

So if you don't go to school after high school, you're dumb.  But if you do, you're also dumb.  Society is effed.

[herbie]

Sounds like a typical convouted  nonsensical MAGA response.
Your Engineering Degree is useless because of the Instructor's political views don't align with mine. Your education = my ignorance!

You should drop that shit and join us elitists that have a job and a High School Diploma.

[Radiorum]

On 12/20/2024 at 6:25 PM, CdnFox said:

just musk with X

His influence with killing the budget bill last week cannot be ignored. Trump followed him on that.

On 12/20/2024 at 6:25 PM, CdnFox said:

any right-wing friendly stories.

Trump and Musk are the masters of propaganda. No-one even comes close.

On 12/20/2024 at 6:25 PM, CdnFox said:

what happens when you attack people's rights, when you attempt to weaponize the law against them, and when you are dishonest and repressive and the other side gets sick of it.

You know you have just described Trump's side here?

 

[Radiorum]

On 12/20/2024 at 8:23 PM, Michael Hardner said:

How? 🤔

The Right wholesale rejects elites - like for example scientists - anyone who they think wants to lord over them. They are highly skeptical of educated people, and will even say some are evil and pernicious.

Their treatment of Fauci kind of confirms that.

18 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

other side thinks they know everything because they read some books

Do they really? They think they know everything? Or they just disagree with you on some  points?

 

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

Do they really? They think they know everything? Or they just disagree with you on some  points?

A lot of educated people are smug and self-righteous and not as smart as they think they are.  Just look at the Liberal Party.

Note that I'm university educated.

Edited December 23, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[Radiorum]

7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

A lot of educated people are smug and self-righteous and not as smart as they think they are. 

Only educated people? Lol.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

His influence with killing the budget bill last week cannot be ignored. Trump followed him on that.

 

Trump returns to all kinds of advisors. Theoretically anybody who talks to a leader is influencing them but at the end of the day the leader makes the final decisions. Trump has also told him no as well.

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Trump and Musk are the masters of propaganda. No-one even comes close.

Well that's just plain silly. Franklin either of them are terribly good at it and tons of people are way better. Which doesn't mean they can't spin a story but they're certainly not top of the league

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You know you have just described Trump's side here?

I know the democrats lie to themselves about it 

For over a year republicans and myself as well have been screaming that if the democrats continue with weaponizing the courts, the ridiculously over the top propaganda, The lies (Trump promised to be a dictator!!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!!)  and so on that it would a) blow up in their face and cost them the election (which it did) and b) would be repaid in kind when trump got the power to do so because that's what trump does. 

Ya didn't listen  

You need to pay attention. The democrats were on the wrong side of history there for several reasons and it's all come out and people can see it. 

You need to stop blaming everyone else or pretending that it's the REST of the herd who's crazy 

you need to take a sharp look at why the democrats were wrong, why they were rejected, and what the truth is and get rid of the hypocrisy and get dead honest or you'll be losing next time as well. Hint, it WASN'T the rest of the herd.