Conservatives say "Leftists did these these bad things", Leftists say "Conservative are Nazis so they will do these bad things"

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Again...and just for you...you special little pup.

1. Have conservatives actively worked to stifle free speech? No.

2. Have conservatives opened the border and lied about it? No.

3. Have conservatives refused to prosecute criminals and let them go into the population only to rape and kill little girls? No.

4. Have conservatives wantonly created a sh1t economy? No.

5. Have conservatives used the law AND the IRS to attack political opponents? No.

6. Have conservatives attacked Christians? No.

BUT...the Libbies have...on all counts. Lookes like level headed people would have to admit that if anyone is "evil"...it would be the Libbies.

Now...stop p1ssing in the house Pup.

I love this little game that they play, "we are absolutely entirely for free speech, provided its speech that we approve of and don't think is bad. Our belief in free speech does not extend to those that say things we don't approve of.  But other than that we're entirely for free speech and don't you dare say otherwise"

[herbie]

21 hours ago, Fluffypants said:

A right wing Communist? Please tell me how that works?

Liberals love doing this shit, anything that is bad is Right Wing even when it isn't right wing.

Too stupid to understand either political definitions or sarcasm.
Too stubborn to even acknowledge 'political right' does not mean correct.

[Black Dog]

On 11/30/2024 at 12:49 AM, CdnFox said:

You've never been real in your whole life. Your entire life is based on a lie. Like I've said before, that's why nobody here respects you. You're a sad little broken creature, you can't even be honest with yourself never mind anyone else

You're an aging loser with some kind of chronic health problem, don't talk about other being broken here stupid.

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Everything I said is true and verifiable. If you done more than 3 minutes of homework on Facebook you'd know it was accurate.

Oh is that where you're getting your infop? Makes sense it is total bullshit. You should try reading a book instead and then maybe you wouldn't say retarded shit like "there was no right wing in Weimar Germany."

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Fact is I suspect you already do. You're just such a broken little shell of a man that even when you know something is true and you can't argue against it you thrash and flail about like a fish that just landed in the boat who's desperately hoping he can somehow get back in the water. 

It's always super easy to tell when you know you've lost and you're just so buthurt about it that you can't even think straight.

LOl there's nothing to argue with here, you don't bring anything to the table. I mean look at this pathetic series of "rebuttals".

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Nope. 

Nope. in fact most of them were desperate for him to reform gov't to bring socialist policies like medical care back and to take control of industry to stop the runaway inflation.

Sorry , no. 

At the end of the day, the Nazis were not socialists. They had no real beliefs about class conflict. They loved private property and allowed private enterprises freedom to operate and pursue profits. They banned trade unions and socialist organisations and political parties. Their welfare state was structured only for the benefit of Aryan Volk and not society at large. Like i told you the last time you embarrassed yourself pretending to know anything about the Nazis: everything they did was driven by their social Darwinist and racial beliefs. Again: read a book, preferably something by an actual historian or political scientist.

[Black Dog]

On 11/30/2024 at 3:10 PM, WestCanMan said:

I'm not asking you to tolerate us, Black Dummy. By all means, get angry and so something if you'd like. Nothing concerns me less. 

I'd love to, tell me what care home you live in and i'll come push your walker over.

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You're an aging loser with some kind of chronic health problem, don't talk about other being broken here stupid.

Oh is that where you're getting your infop? Makes sense it is total bullshit. You should try reading a book instead and then maybe you wouldn't say retarded shit like "there was no right wing in Weimar Germany."

LOl there's nothing to argue with here, you don't bring anything to the table. I mean look at this pathetic series of "rebuttals".

At the end of the day, the Nazis were not socialists. They had no real beliefs about class conflict. They loved private property and allowed private enterprises freedom to operate and pursue profits. They banned trade unions and socialist organisations and political parties. Their welfare state was structured only for the benefit of Aryan Volk and not society at large. Like i told you the last time you embarrassed yourself pretending to know anything about the Nazis: everything they did was driven by their social Darwinist and racial beliefs. Again: read a book, preferably something by an actual historian or political scientist.

https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/

From Hitler himself. The NAZI party were socialist.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

I'd love to, tell me what care home you live in and i'll come push your walker over.

OK Jake Paul. 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

You're an aging loser with some kind of chronic health problem,

Oh noes!!!!  Black dog lost another argument and he's all pissy about it  

Kid, every time you start in with the lies and insults you might as well put an "I looked stupid on the internet again and it's all Cdnfox/national/westcanman's fault!!!!" 

Sorry your facebook university degree has failed you again  

As i've demonstrated the nazi's were not only socialists, but their "progressive" health and wellfare coverage would go on to be the basis for most european care.

You lose again kiddo  What is that, about 74 to zero in my favour so far?  LOL 

Learn to look things up before you start talking. You'll sleep better. 

[Black Dog]

16 hours ago, Nationalist said:

https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/hitler-nazi-form-of-socialism-1932/

From Hitler himself. The NAZI party were socialist.

You should read your own sources and apply an iota of critical thinking.

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We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our Socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the State on the basis of race solidarity. To us, State and race are one…

It's clear that, to Hitler, using "socialism" in the name was a branding exercise and nothing else. It's obvious what he considers socialism has nothing in common with how the term is used or understood in any other context.

Again: the Nazis didn't advocate for collective ownership of the means of production. They didn't believe in equality. They didn't see the world through the lens of class conflict. 

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You should read your own sources and apply an iota of critical thinking.

It's clear that, to Hitler, using "socialism" in the name was a branding exercise and nothing else. It's obvious what he considers socialism has nothing in common with how the term is used or understood in any other context.

Again: the Nazis didn't advocate for collective ownership of the means of production. They didn't believe in equality. They didn't see the world through the lens of class conflict. 

You are allowed you opinion.

You are not allowed your own facts.

The fact is, the NAZI Party were socialist.

[Black Dog]

Just now, Nationalist said:

You are allowed you opinion.

You are not allowed your own facts.

The fact is, the NAZI Party were socialist.

They were as socialist as the People's Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy.

[Black Dog]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Oh noes!!!!  Black dog lost another argument and he's all pissy about it  

Kid, every time you start in with the lies and insults you might as well put an "I looked stupid on the internet again and it's all Cdnfox/national/westcanman's fault!!!!" 

Sorry your facebook university degree has failed you again  

As i've demonstrated the nazi's were not only socialists, but their "progressive" health and wellfare coverage would go on to be the basis for most european care.

You lose again kiddo  What is that, about 74 to zero in my favour so far?  LOL 

Learn to look things up before you start talking. You'll sleep better. 

LOl you didn't even read the article that was the basis of the blog you posted, did you, retardo? Because if you did, you'd know Germany had an extensive social welfare state before the Nazis came along.

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Germany’s welfare state had been established by Otto von Bismarck as a state-directed system of compulsory “social insurance” benefits, funded by payroll taxes, administered by private entities, and limited by income eligibility caps to the working class. Established to support an authoritarian regime, it survived the First World War, the collapse of the German Empire, and the fall of the Weimar Republic (Manow 2020, 39). By 1933, Germany’s system of entitlements was still much larger than those in any other European nation

 

By your retarded logic, Otto Von Bismarck was therefore a socialist. LMAO.

 

 

 

[Nationalist]

22 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

They were as socialist as the People's Democratic Republic of Korea is a democracy.

In YOUR opinion. Many...many historians disagree with YOUR opinion.

DEMOCRACY: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

It is a bad idea to try to assert your mono-leveled ideas and thinking process, with folks who can think on multiple levels. You will never win an argument that way and only serve to expose your own childish understanding of thought and analysis...Pup.

Edited December 2, 2024 by Nationalist

[Black Dog]

21 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

In YOUR opinion. Many...many historians disagree with YOUR opinion.

I think most credible historians are on my side here like Richard Evans and Adam Tooze. Who you got: Dinesh Dsouza lol?

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DEMOCRACY: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

And?

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It is a bad idea to try to assert your mono-leveled ideas and thinking process, with folks who can think on multiple levels. You will never win an argument that way and only serve to expose your own childish understanding of thought and analysis...Pup.

This is pretty funny coming from a bunch of sub-literate apes whose thought process on this can be summed up as "Hitler = Bad, Socialism = Bad, therefore Hitler = Socialist."

Edited December 2, 2024 by Black Dog

[Nationalist]

30 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

I think most credible historians are on my side here like Richard Evans and Adam Tooze. Who you got: Dinesh Dsouza lol?

And?

This is pretty funny coming from a bunch of sub-literate apes whose thought process on this can be summed up as "Hitler = Bad, Socialism = Bad, therefore Hitler = Socialist."

Try Rainer Zitelmann for one. He has published several books on the subject of National Socialism and Hitler's political beliefs and ideology.

But as I said...you only expose your own childish level of analysis.

[Black Dog]

49 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Try Rainer Zitelmann for one. He has published several books on the subject of National Socialism and Hitler's political beliefs and ideology.

I've read Zitelmann's “Hitler’s National Socialism" and I think you're misrepresenting his arguments if you think he's arguing "Hitler was a socialist". It's much more complicated than that.

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But as I said...you only expose your own childish level of analysis.

Again, this might work if your own arguments weren't written in half chewed crayons. But alas.

Hitler wasn't a socialist. He wasn't a free market libertarian either. He saw value in elements of both systems.

At the end of the day, every single school of socialism includes the necessity that the means of production are held by the workers, either directly through cooperative or collective ownership or indirectly through representative democracies. Given the Nazis did not own the means of production and were not a representative democracy, they were not socialists.

Edited December 2, 2024 by Black Dog

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Black Dog said:

You should read your own sources and apply an iota of critical thinking.

You're about to look stupid again

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It's clear that, to Hitler, using "socialism" in the name was a branding exercise and nothing else

He very specifically says that they could have called themselves liberals, but felt that that wasn't descriptive enough and that they were more akin to socialists.

The quote literally proves you wrong. They were almost like what we consider left-wing liberals, But they were a little too far left of that and they felt that socialists was a more descriptive title

. You have literally highlighted the portion which proves you are wrong and that the Nazis were a left-wing group who considered themselves to be a brand of socialist intentionally because their philosophies fell along more socialist lines

It's hilarious how desperate you get when you lost. I mean of all of the possible arguments you could have come up with choosing to highlight why Hitler himself felt that they were socialists rather than just liberals is got to be one of the dumbest.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

I've read Zitelmann's “Hitler’s National Socialism" 

 

 No you haven't    Your own commentary makes that crystal clear. I might buy that you read a synopsis at one point or another maybe.

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Again, this might work if your own arguments weren't written in half chewed crayons. But alas.

Oh look, your little admission that @Nationalist is right   LOL i told you we can always tell when you know you're wrong  

And calling Hitler a libertarian pretty much wipes out any credibility you have on any political comment ever  I love the idea of an Authoritarian libertarian    It's like low-fat lard   LOLOL

 

[Black Dog]

25 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're about to look stupid again

He very specifically says that they could have called themselves liberals, but felt that that wasn't descriptive enough and that they were more akin to socialists.

He very specifically says no such thing.

What he's essentially saying is that he considers the labels to be irrelevant/arbitrary.

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The quote literally proves you wrong. They were almost like what we consider left-wing liberals, But they were a little too far left of that and they felt that socialists was a more descriptive title

lol that's incredibly stupid. They were not left wing or liberal by any past or present definition of the terms. Words have meanings.

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 You have literally highlighted the portion which proves you are wrong and that the Nazis were a left-wing group who considered themselves to be a brand of socialist intentionally because their philosophies fell along more socialist lines

This is what I'm talking about when i say you are a very stupid person who tried to reshape reality to fit his worldview. Unfortunately for you, dummy, facts are stubborn things.

Read the interview. Look at the pains Hitler goes through to distance his ideology from marxism and Communism, the primary socialist schools of thought of the day. Look at how he redefines the term socialism for his own ends. Only a complete dope would look at that and think "oh yeah this guy is definitely claiming to be a socialist in the commonly accepted and historical sense of the term".

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It's hilarious how desperate you get when you lost. I mean of all of the possible arguments you could have come up with choosing to highlight why Hitler himself felt that they were socialists rather than just liberals is got to be one of the dumbest.

You being too stupid to understand the implications of what he was saying in the context of the rest of the interview there is your failing not mine.

 

Edited December 2, 2024 by Black Dog

[Black Dog]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 No you haven't    Your own commentary makes that crystal clear. I might buy that you read a synopsis at one point or another maybe.

LOl you've never even heard of that book until today.

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Oh look, your little admission that @Nationalist is right   LOL i told you we can always tell when you know you're wrong  

And calling Hitler a libertarian pretty much wipes out any credibility you have on any political comment ever  I love the idea of an Authoritarian libertarian    It's like low-fat lard   LOLOL

Holy f*ck, you really can't read.

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Hitler wasn't a socialist. He wasn't a free market libertarian either. He saw value in elements of both systems.

What were you saying about credibility, f*cktard?

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Black Dog said:

LOl you didn't even read the article that was the basis of the blog you posted, did you, retardo? Because if you did, you'd know Germany had an extensive social welfare state before the Nazis came along.

And Hitler improved upon it substantially. As I posted and as I provided evidence of they created a whole new department that radically altered and improved upon the individual private social safety net that existed prior to the Nazis and nationalized it.

It literally said that. And it said that this became the basis of modern European models. The Nazi model specifically.

Your brain is clearly melting. You desperately want this to not be true to the point where you read the facts that prove that it is true and still can't cope with it mentally and you make !diotic statements like the one you just made

Pull yourself together man. Usually watching you crash and burn is funny, but now even I'm getting mildly embarrassed for you

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

He very specifically says no such thing.

 

He absolutely does    And I see that we're at the part of your meltdown where you just randomly disavow established facts trying desperately to avoid the fact that you've screwed up again.

By definition the Nazis were socialists. By Hitler's admission they thought of themselves as a type of socialist. Any way you want to look at it they were a type of socialist.

They were far left-wing radicals who believed in the control of the society and the state and the means of production for the purposes of advancing the social interest, which they believed was expansion through military conquest.

And they radically improve the social safety net in germany for germans. Not anybody except germans because they were also racist xenophobes, but for germans they absolutely did.

Lose this one harder if you tried and you're looking stupid trying

[Black Dog]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And Hitler improved upon it substantially. As I posted and as I provided evidence of they created a whole new department that radically altered and improved upon the individual private social safety net that existed prior to the Nazis and nationalized it.

One of the big reasons Hitler consolidated the social safety net that existed at the time was to disempower unions and socialist organizations and prevent Jews and other undesirables from receiving aid. 

Nazi theorist Alfred Rosenberg saw union- controlled social insurance funds as a coffer for left-wing parties and a “source of power of the most dangerous kind” and argued that it was “primarily due to social insurance that the German worker did not lose faith in Marxism” in the postwar period.

Like everything else they did, this policy was driven by their racial beliefs.

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By definition the Nazis were socialists.

they were definitionally not socialist unless you're using some definition of socialism that you just pulled out of your ass.

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By Hitler's admission they thought of themselves as a type of socialist.

"A type of socialist" that had virtually nothing in common with socialism as theorized and practiced anywhere else.

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Any way you want to look at it they were a type of socialist.

Only if you've been kicked in the head by a horse.

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They were far left-wing radicals who believed in the control of the society and the state and the means of production for the purposes of advancing the social interest, which they believed was expansion through military conquest.

As one very stupid person I know here once said: nope.

As i keep saying: every model of socialism has the workers controlling the means of production either directly or indirectly through democratic representation. The Nazis had neither, therefore they were not socialists. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

One of the big reasons Hitler consolidated the social safety net that existed at the time was to disempower unions and socialist organizations and prevent Jews and other undesirables from receiving aid. 

 

Oh I had no idea you two were buddies and had discussed this. 🙄

Nobody's interested in more of your fabrications kiddo. At the end of the day the Nazis provided not only equal but better social services than existed before their time, which you tried to claim initially was absolutely against everything they believed in and they would never ever ever do that. Nope! No way! they never would!

Now that you've been proven wrong you're trying to sell the idea that because they copied other socialists it means they weren't socialists. How stupid is that. 

Every single thing that you put forward turns out to be completely untrue and we provide evidence of that and I'm getting sort of tired and bored of proving you're wrong post after post after post.

The Nazis were socialists. They saw themselves as socialists, they believed in national socialism, their behavior exactly matches what we consider to be a socialist model today, and all your whining and crying and dishonesty doesn't change that. 

As we have proven, not just me but others, the nazis were absolutely a type of socialists. 

[Nationalist]

A question for @Black Dog and other assorted Libbies:

The NAZI Party was indeed a "National Socialist" party. A form of socialism that deviated from Marxism, in order to better serve the German people. So the question becomes...'Why are you Libbies so vehemently opposed to the truth of the matter?'

The NAZIs were destroyed before any of you were even born. Its relevance is null and void. Granted...you do like to call anyone who dare oppose your modern socialist desires "NAZIs". But you must understand by now that this line of Tweenkie shaming, simply does not rock the boat anymore. In essence...we don't care. The term has been flung about so much that its lost its meaning. So why deny the truth? What do you think you are gaining by this childish exercise? Because frankly...all you're doing is further discrediting your own cause.

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

A question for @Black Dog and other assorted Libbies:

The NAZI Party was indeed a "National Socialist" party. A form of socialism that deviated from Marxism, in order to better serve the German people. So the question becomes...'Why are you Libbies so vehemently opposed to the truth of the matter?'

Because your premise is full of shit.

Nazism didn't "deviate" from Marxism or any other strain of socialism. It was completely unrelated and antithetical.

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The NAZIs were destroyed before any of you were even born. Its relevance is null and void. Granted...you do like to call anyone who dare oppose your modern socialist desires "NAZIs". But you must understand by now that this line of Tweenkie shaming, simply does not rock the boat anymore. In essence...we don't care. The term has been flung about so much that its lost its meaning. So why deny the truth? What do you think you are gaining by this childish exercise? Because frankly...all you're doing is further discrediting your own cause.

Better question is why do you peddle this incredibly stupid and obvious myth when anyone with half a brain knows that the Nazis were right wingers.

-Nationalistic

-Militaristic

-Believed in "traditional family values" and "law and order" and a strong leader.

-Valued private property

-favoured the interests of capital over labour

etc etc etc.

Edited December 3, 2024 by Black Dog