Conservatives say "Leftists did these these bad things", Leftists say "Conservative are Nazis so they will do these bad things"

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's also a statement that the Nazis represented the right wing in Germany.  It's not always easy to get people to admit that fact.

 

Mostly because it's a lie.

Almost nobody represented the right wing in germany. The truth is there really wasn't much of a right wing to begin with. Prior to the end of world war I Germany had a constitutional monarchy where the elected people had very little power at all and most of the decisions for the country were made by the nobility. 

Right-wing proponents of free democracies and such were actually shunned. In fact the biggest proponents of free or open market democratic society were the Jews.

Most of what germans argued about was the flavor of socialism they would like. The communists obviously wanted communism. One of the socialist parties wanted a socialist model that favored state ownership of everything, but didn't go quite as far as communism. The other socialist party wanted open markets and a market-based model but one of the states to severely control the model to promote what it perceived as being the benefit of the state.

The Nazis were the third party. But the national socialists were still socialists and left-wing. 

But the left today loves to lie about this because they're concerned that if people realize that the Nazis were basically what we call democratic socialists today in their practices that somehow people will think that it's the socialism that was bad. When in reality it wasn't necessarily that so much as it was the belief that the greatest benefit to society was expansion through military conquest which was a german belief going back to the beginning of the 19th century and certainly wasn't originated by the Nazis. That was the problem.  

But it does highlight one of the potential problems with a socialistic model.  Socialism seeks to guide society towards an end that it sees as being noble and better.  But if someone gets control who's idea of 'noble' and 'better' isn't so good..... you've got a problem

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

If one were to look at social media, more and more right wingers are starting to do just that. For the first time ever, Hitler is being portrayed in a sympathetic light by many right wing accounts I see now. Many of Trump's actions and policy's mimic the policies of the Third Reich. 

Well we only have one Nazi here and he tends to lean a little left to center

The fact of the matter is people like you on the left think virtually everybody is Hitler. I mean people insisted Trump was Hitler. And his followers were Hitler or Nazis anyway.

So chances are the people that you saw that were Hitler worshipers we're actually just normal everyday run-of-the-mill people. But they're right of Castro so you think they're Nazis

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7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

The Nazis were the third party. But the national socialists were still socialists and left-wing. 

 

This is not just a lie, but a "pants on fire" lie. Everyone and their dog know that the Nazis were far right. Why even bother to try and revise history? 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

This is not just a lie, but a "pants on fire" lie. Everyone and their dog know that the Nazis were far right. Why even bother to try and revise history? 

not everyone and their dog. Just lefty losers who can't cope with the concept because they feel it makes the left look bad.

Especially the drunk ones. You know, the ones that nobody takes seriously anyway because their alcoholics who wind up drunk posting on the internet just before the weekend? They really have no life for anything going for them and they're watching their world collapse because leftists have basically destroyed it, but the one thing they always had and held dear was the Nazis were the far right. And without taking away from them well they've got nothing.

How could they even fight an election? All they've got is insisting that the republican candidate is a Nazi And Hitler. So if it turns out the Nazis weren't the right, then how are they supposed to call the republican candidate a Nazi? This is what keeps them up drinking at night.

 

Sorry kiddo. By any reasonable modern definition the Nazis were the left. They controlled the market and the economy extremely tightly for the specific purpose of advancing the social interests of the nation. They also increased social programs, medicine, a bunch of other traditional left-wing values. The Nazis were basically functioning in almost exactly the way as we see democratic socialists behaving today.

That may irritate you for some reason but it's the simple truth

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17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Especially the drunk ones. You know, the ones that nobody takes seriously anyway because their alcoholics who wind up drunk posting on the internet just before the weekend?

I am a proud recovering alcoholic.  I celebrated my one year anniversary in September. 🙂

It's not the weekend yet...at least not for me, anyway.

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

That's also a statement that the Nazis represented the right wing in Germany.  It's not always easy to get people to admit that fact.

Hitler was a socialist. Plain and simple. The word socialist is right in the party name, and the party operated as socialists.

He was also a violent bigot, and the only party in the western world that supported racist violence was the dems.

So there's that. 

[WestCanMan]

The whole premise of the thread is that when conservatives complain about the Dems/Libs, we complain about horrible things that they actually did, not horrible things that they've never done but we think they intend to do.

Laftists are here now trying to change the topic to Naziism, they just don't have any examples of conservatives doing Nazi things. Ever. They just can't stop making unsubstantiated accusations. It's a sick little cult. 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The whole premise of the thread is that when conservatives complain about the Dems/Libs, we complain about horrible things that they actually did, not horrible things that they've never done but we think they intend to do.

Laftists are here now trying to change the topic to Naziism, they just don't have any examples of conservatives doing Nazi things. Ever. They just can't stop making unsubstantiated accusations. It's a sick little cult. 

The reason for that is you forgot the other thing they do. Sure you're absolutely correct, they complain about things that republicans have never done. But they also have a bad habit of blaming them for things that happened that the republicans didn't do. And one of their favorites is nazis were republicans    

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

  Why even bother to try and revise history? 

Because it's blissful to live in a state where the right of centre has never been wrong...

[Nationalist]

I don't think Brandon can be charged with abuse of power. However the DOJ, FBI, assorted DAs and judges can.

Trump will come to power with several mandates. But the one Libbies are freaked about is to drain the swamp...if you will. And why does this give Libbies the heebie-jeebies? Because in draining the swamp, the Libbies lose 2 things:

1. Ability to control the narrative and the justice system.

2. The complete loss of trust in institutions by the general public. 

In essence...their power would desolve. 

Edited November 29, 2024 by Nationalist

[Legato]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Because it's blissful to live in a state where the right of centre has never been wrong...

Give it up. You sir would need binoculars to see the centre. Castro was far right.

[Black Dog]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Hitler was a socialist. Plain and simple. The word socialist is right in the party name, and the party operated as socialists.

He was also a violent bigot, and the only party in the western world that supported racist violence was the dems.

So there's that. 

You making being dumb look so effortless.

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Laftists are here now trying to change the topic to Naziism, they just don't have any examples of conservatives doing Nazi things. Ever. They just can't stop making unsubstantiated accusations. It's a sick little cult. 

How about the Nazis, who were conservatives?

Edited November 29, 2024 by Black Dog

[Black Dog]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Mostly because it's a lie.

Almost nobody represented the right wing in germany. The truth is there really wasn't much of a right wing to begin with. Prior to the end of world war I Germany had a constitutional monarchy where the elected people had very little power at all and most of the decisions for the country were made by the nobility. 

Right-wing proponents of free democracies and such were actually shunned. In fact the biggest proponents of free or open market democratic society were the Jews.

Notice how this goofball has to pretend that "right-wing" means "open market and pro democracy" and not "economically and socially conservative."

The fact is there was a strong right wing in post war Germany consisting of the military, nobility and economic/industrial elite. This is the group that rejected the social and economic liberalism of the Weimar era state and quite literally enabled Hitler and the Nazis to take power which they would not have done if they felt that Hitler was some kind of bleeding heart socialist.

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But the left today loves to lie about this because they're concerned that if people realize that the Nazis were basically what we call democratic socialists today in their practices that somehow people will think that it's the socialism that was bad. 

This is quite literally the stupidest thing you've ever written, which is quite the feat given your output.

Democratic socialism is a reformist movement that advocates for a democratically run and decentralized economy and rejects authoritarianism. Nazism was a revolutionary movement that explicitly rejected democracy and embraced private ownership of the means of production. It's apples and hand grenades.

This is what happens when you have a stupid person (you) with a very dim understanding of history and a political agenda: rather than looking at the facts (in this case that the Nazis were a reactionary conservative authoritarian nationalist movement that happened to embrace some populist social and economic policies for the benefit of a very specific group of people) you have to distort reality to fit into your idealogical box no matter how absurd your conclusions turn out to be. Like this:

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By any reasonable modern definition the Nazis were the left. They controlled the market and the economy extremely tightly for the specific purpose of advancing the social interests of the nation. They also increased social programs, medicine, a bunch of other traditional left-wing values. The Nazis were basically functioning in almost exactly the way as we see democratic socialists behaving today.

In order to arrive at this conclusion, one would have to ignore what the Nazis actually believed and what they actually did and why they did them.

The Nazis didn't increase social programs: they cut them. They also limited who was eligible to receive benefits from the state to people of Aryan descent and excluded millions of "undesirables".

Left wing ideas like egalitarianism were anathema to the Nazis; indeed the Nazis' entire program could be summed up as opposition to those left-liberal ideas.

Edited November 29, 2024 by Black Dog

[Nationalist]

Nobody but these whining Libbies think about NAZIs. They use the term to shame people they don't like. Unfortunately for these Tweenkies, the NAZI's are all dead and gone and they have to live with MAGA America.

Libbies...you lost...big time. Go scream at the sky. But please record it for us so we can watch...

and laugh our a55es off at you.

Edited November 29, 2024 by Nationalist

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Nobody but these whining Libbies think about NAZIs. They use the term to shame people they don't like. Unfortunately for these Tweenkies, the NAZI's are all dead and gone and they have to live with MAGA America.

Libbies...you lost...bit time. Go scream at the sky. But please record it for us so we can watch...

and laugh our a55es off at you.

Are you having a stroke gramps?

[Nationalist]

Just now, Black Dog said:

Are you having a stroke gramps?

Nope.

Just a good laugh...at your expense...Pup.

[Black Dog]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Nope.

Just a good laugh...at your expense...Pup.

You're a sad, strange little man, you know that old-timer?

[Legato]

8 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You're a sad, strange little man, you know that old-timer?

Are you speaking from experience?

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, Legato said:

Are you speaking from experience?

Yes my experience with dealing with a bunch of pitiful lead-poisoned boomers on here of which you are one.

[Nationalist]

25 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

You're a sad, strange little man, you know that old-timer?

lol...arf arf...

[Black Dog]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

lol...arf arf...

Oh Hi Mrs. Nationalist.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Because it's blissful to live in a state where the right of centre has never been wrong...

Buddy, we are bombarded by your lies and slander daily.

At the end of the day, when we're proven right and you're wrong, just learn from it and shut up. 

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Yes my experience with dealing with a bunch of pitiful lead-poisoned boomers on here of which you are one.

Do try to cheer up, tears from a grown "man" are not very becoming.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Black Dog said:

You making being dumb look so effortless.

No one's dumb compared to you, Black Racist Dummy.

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How about the Nazis, who were conservatives?

The Nazis controlled the police, media, judiciary, suppressed free speech, burned books (in this day and age that was replaced by 'controlled social media'), created a fake reason to get their citizens to carry a gesundheitspass so that they could ostracize "others", seized the bank account of dissidents, promoted violent riots, they were intense hate mongers who falsely painted a specific group as uniquely having negative traits that no other group ever had, and their motto was "tell a lie, make it big, repeat it a thousand times, and it becomes the truth". 

How do the Libs and Dems differ? Trudeau did every single f'ing thing on that list. I don't know if the Dems created an actual gesundheitspass like our Libs did, or if they froze the bank accounts of dissidents, but in every other way, the Dems were even worse than our liberals.

You can pretend that conservative, socialist, liberal and leftist mean whatever you want to suit your own purposes, but you can't pretend that the M.O. of the Nazis, described above, doesn't match that of the Dems and Libs to a tee. 

And just FYI, just because a word or symbol had a positive meaning/connotation in the past, doesn't mean that it will stay that way forever. The Swastika had a pretty decent rep until the Nazi brand tarnished it. The word liberal is trending in the same direction. What it used to mean and what it is starting to mean now are entirely different things. 

[Black Dog]

45 minutes ago, Legato said:

Do try to cheer up, tears from a grown "man" are not very becoming.

I'll becoming in your wife tonight.