Sugar, Candy -GST Mulroney, Harper, Trudeau Jnr

[August1991]

Our GST is a remarkable tax. It is a sophisticated VAT, and it is fair.

It is a tax on consumption - not income.

Russia has such a tax. Sweden too. The only country without a federal VAT, consumption tax is the US.

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Harper foolishly cut it to 5%. Trudeau Jnr is doing crazy things.  

[August1991]

The measure of a democracy is not voter turn out, it is tax compliance.

The measure of a civilised society is if state power is passed without death, between opponents.

[August1991]

Watch:

Trump will impose a federal VAT.

[eyeball]

23 hours ago, August1991 said:

Trump will impose a federal VAT.

Ten bucks says if he does he'll eliminate federal income taxes.

I'd support that.

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Ten bucks says if he does he'll eliminate federal income taxes.

I'd support that.

Of course being a lefty I'd not impose a VAT/GST on essentials for people of low or fixed incomes. And it would be very progressive, especially for luxury items and high CO2 emitting products or activities.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

36 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Ten bucks says if he does he'll eliminate federal income taxes.

I'd support that.

I would think this would benefit the rich and hurt the middle class and poor.  The rich make far more in money than they can consume, so they invest the rest.

Before the GST existed Canada was doing just fine.  Get rid of it.  Our government wastes money on all sorts of nonsense.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

 

Before the GST existed Canada was doing just fine.  Get rid of it.  Our government wastes money on all sorts of nonsense.

Okay but this is correlation not causation. 

 

The GST replaced a manufacturing tax that impacted our competitiveness internationally.

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I would think this would benefit the rich and hurt the middle class and poor.  The rich make far more in money than they can consume, so they invest the rest.

How about applying the GST to everything the rich buy including financial instruments they invest in?

The vast majority of society, one way or another, need a bigger share of the economy's capital gains. If not by means of higher wages then by higher taxes otherwise there will be blood, the deepening state of inequity is as unsustainable as it is inevitable. The only other solution is fewer people and a shrinking population to bring the needs of the economy and environment into better balance.

Impoverished people make poor environmental stewards - they can't afford to be.

Want to bet we'll see barbed-wire and machine-guns as the solution to refugees and immigration in our lifetimes?

[Army Guy]

34 minutes ago, eyeball said:

How about applying the GST to everything the rich buy including financial instruments they invest in?

The vast majority of society, one way or another, need a bigger share of the economy's capital gains. If not by means of higher wages then by higher taxes otherwise there will be blood, the deepening state of inequity is as unsustainable as it is inevitable. The only other solution is fewer people and a shrinking population to bring the needs of the economy and environment into better balance.

Impoverished people make poor environmental stewards - they can't afford to be.

Want to bet we'll see barbed-wire and machine-guns as the solution to refugees and immigration in our lifetimes?

Why so our government can spend it like a drunken sailor, or is it so we can have another social program so most canadians don't have to work as hard...We as a people have become fat and lazy, hard times make hard people , soft times make soft people....and we are soft as F*ck....for the most part we are not a patriotic people, unless your talking about NHL teams...we don't care about what is going on outside our bubble, ya we will complain about what the liberals are doing but really other than voting what do Canadians do for their country....those that want to serve this great land be in a cop, fire fighter, ems tech, military , coast guard csis, we we make sure they don't get the tax dollars they need to do their job properly...it is almost like we love to sabotage ourselves...We are so divided that no one can work together to improve things...

First nations is not wallowing around in millions of dollars and according to them they are the nations environmental stewards...

Edited December 1, 2024 by Army Guy

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

No, so we don't slide into anarchy and chaos.

Keep voting for the left, as that seems all they have is anarchy and chaos... 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Keep voting for the left, as that seems all they have is anarchy and chaos... 

I wonder who'll fire the first shot? When will the culture war turn into a real war?

Edited December 1, 2024 by eyeball

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

I wonder who'll fire the first shot? When will the culture war turn into a real war?

There ain't going be no war, the left are pussies and the right is to lazy

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

I wonder who'll fire the first shot? When will the culture war turn into a real war?

the culture war is the Information War predicted by Marshall McLuhan

the central characteristic is that Information is exponentially more powerful than force

to wit, the pen is mightier than the sword by many orders of magnitude therein

thus wasting efforts on kinetic force is actually counterproductive

it is a postmodern operating environment, wherein the contested battlespace is entirely virtual

[August1991]

13 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Okay but this is correlation not causation. 

 

The GST replaced a manufacturing tax that impacted our competitiveness internationally.

Whatever.

[August1991]

8 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Why so our government can spend it like a drunken sailor, or is it so we can have another social program so most canadians don't have to work as hard...

 

Agreed, more or less.

IMHO, sorry to be a geek, is our debt-to-GDP rising? Are we Argentina?

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Agreed, more or less.

IMHO, sorry to be a geek, is our debt-to-GDP rising? Are we Argentina?

Our neighbours are about to supersize their deficit..

 

[August1991]

23 hours ago, eyeball said:

Of course being a lefty I'd not impose a VAT/GST on essentials for people of low or fixed incomes. And it would be very progressive, especially for luxury items and high CO2 emitting products or activities.

 

Trump changed SALT.

Google it.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

Trump changed SALT.

Google it.

Chretien used pepper.

But you knew that.

[August1991]

Just now, eyeball said:

Chretien used pepper.

But you knew that.

In Canada, we cannot deduct local taxes from our federal taxes.

Except in Quebec.

Trump fixed that.

 

 

 

 

 

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Trump fixed that.

How?

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, August1991 said:

Agreed, more or less.

IMHO, sorry to be a geek, is our debt-to-GDP rising? Are we Argentina?

Is that your goal to emulate Argentina, do you think that since we have double our post covid debt that our country is better off...than it once was...and if debt is no big deal for liberals why even have metrics to measure it...It think economists would say something much different...or as justin says let the bankers worry about the debt....

[Moonlight Graham]

On 12/1/2024 at 7:56 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Okay but this is correlation not causation. 

 

The GST replaced a manufacturing tax that impacted our competitiveness internationally.

Cite?

[Moonlight Graham]

On 12/1/2024 at 12:35 PM, eyeball said:

How about applying the GST to everything the rich buy including financial instruments they invest in?

The vast majority of society, one way or another, need a bigger share of the economy's capital gains. If not by means of higher wages then by higher taxes otherwise there will be blood, the deepening state of inequity is as unsustainable as it is inevitable. The only other solution is fewer people and a shrinking population to bring the needs of the economy and environment into better balance.

Impoverished people make poor environmental stewards - they can't afford to be.

Want to bet we'll see barbed-wire and machine-guns as the solution to refugees and immigration in our lifetimes?

Yes the working classes are getting screwed.

And I have no issues with barbed wire and rifles to keep out people trying to enter illegally.  If they fired warning shots and then shot adults in the leg if they continued to try to enter illegally then the number of illegal attempts would drop to virtually nothing, and they'd all deserve it.  But we don't have the balls to enforce the law.

I also have zero issue refusing legal refugee status to anyone who doesn't have the skills/education to keep themselves and their family out of poverty in Canada.  Instead we have violent gangs and organized car theft rings in our cities.  Relocate them safely to a country more in line with their socioeconomic status.  There's large areas of my city that have turned into poverty trash bins.  I'm so tired of it.

Progressives like yourself are completely incapable of protecting our country because you're too worried about being "nice".

[Michael Hardner]

24 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Cite?

Uh sure? I thought this was common knowledge. Maybe you're too young to remember? 

Anyway, first paragraph last sentence. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_services_tax_(Canada)

[eyeball]

56 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Yes the working classes are getting screwed.

It's not just that people are getting screwed. It's gotten to the point that the process of screwing them is approaching a dangerous terminal phase. It's been moving steadily in this direction for years and years.

It's like the answer to the question about the missing crisis in climate change, grotesque inequality is also occupying the space between utter obliviousness and disregard. Take your pick - the consequences of either will be the same as will be evidenced when they arrive at the same time.

56 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Progressives like yourself are completely incapable of protecting our country because you're too worried about being "nice".

The country will be taking an increasingly distant backseat to people's individual needs and I'm betting you're going to be seeing this in the near future. Definitely in our lifetimes. We're on the brink now. 

 

 

 

Edited December 3, 2024 by eyeball