What do the Dems Honestly Think About Men, Women, the Type of Women Who Vote for Them, and Marriage?

[Radiorum]

11 minutes ago, User said:

as when you guys insist that yes

I'm not telling anyone who they are - you are. 

If someone tells me who they are, I believe them.

12 minutes ago, User said:

so those girls he is beating up in sports and showing his dong to in the locker room just have to shut up and deal with it. 

I never expressed any support for this.

13 minutes ago, User said:

because the political left has decided in the last 5 seconds of human history to try to change it

First of all, the greatest supporters of the trans community are medical associations.

Second, there have always been "two-spirit" people. 

Although there is evidence that increased numbers may be due to environmental pollutants that act as endocrine disrupters - affecting prenatal development.

[WestCanMan]

12 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I'm not telling anyone who they are - you are. 

If someone tells me who they are, I believe them.

Sometimes when they're 8, they just don't know.

Leftists: "8 yr olds are wise and mature enough to unilaterally decide to change their sex and become infertile: they understand the ramifications. Also, 19-yr-old college kids are too stupid to understand how loans work, so they can't be held accountable."  

[User]

11 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I'm not telling anyone who they are - you are. 

If someone tells me who they are, I believe them.

It is what they are, not what they think they are. 

If someone tells you they are the King of England... do you believe them?

This is a dishonest game you are playing. 

12 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I never expressed any support for this.

Oh... so, when someone tells you they are a woman (and they are a biological man) you don't believe them now?

13 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

First of all, the greatest supporters of the trans community are medical associations.

Yes, political bodies bent on pushing a viewpoint, not science. Its the same reason you see the editor of Scientific American getting run off and intelligent scientists like Niel DeGrasse Tyson refusing to admit the obvious about why a WNBA team can't beat the Lakers. 

Yet again, you are playing the illogical game of appeal to authority, because neither you nor they can actually argue the science here. 

15 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Second, there have always been "two-spirit" people. 

So... now you are here pushing Native American beliefs?

Being "two-spirit" doesn't change that there is an objective definition for man and woman, only that someone thinks they have traits of both. 



 

[Radiorum]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Leftists: "8 yr olds are wise and mature enough to unilaterally decide to change their sex and become infertile: they understand the ramifications.

This is just not true. In Ontario, you must be at least 18 years old and have lived for 12 months in the gender role with which you identify.  Here's the gender-affirming guidelines

 

[CouchPotato]

I had a friend when I was eight who thought he was an eagle, and another who thought he was a motorcycle. Whatever game we played in the schoolyard he would always change gears while running.

[Radiorum]

11 minutes ago, User said:

It is what they are, not what they think they are. 

I think they would disagree with you on this.

12 minutes ago, User said:

If someone tells you they are the King of England... do you believe them?

Well, yeah, if they really were the King of England.

12 minutes ago, User said:

Oh... so, when someone tells you they are a woman (and they are a biological man) you don't believe them now?

Believing them is wholly unconnected to the two examples you gave

15 minutes ago, User said:

pushing a viewpoint, not science.

So, you're a science denier now?

 

[User]

3 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

This is just not true. In Ontario, you must be at least 18 years old and have lived for 12 months in the gender role with which you identify.  Here's the gender-affirming guidelines

 

Nope, that is for government funding. That is also specific to Ontario. The link you shared makes no mention of having to be 18 years old either. 

 

 

[Deluge]

On 11/23/2024 at 4:23 PM, Radiorum said:

Lol, because we know that right-wing men really value and respect opposing opinions. /s

Because those opposing opinions aren't really opinions - they're directives, and we don't put up with directives from freedom hating psychopaths.  

[WestCanMan]

22 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

This is just not true. In Ontario, you must be at least 18 years old and have lived for 12 months in the gender role with which you identify.  Here's the gender-affirming guidelines

It's a leftist talking point, dummy. Not something that they've managed to codify into law. 

The stupid things that you are saying are just laftard talking points. They're id10tic. 

It's one of the reasons the Demis just lost - their talking points don't resonate with enough people. Too many people have IQQs over 70.

Edited November 25, 2024 by WestCanMan

[Black Dog]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

It's a leftist talking point, dummy. Not something that they've managed to codify into law. 

The stupid things that you are saying are just laftard talking points. They're id10tic. 

It's 18 for gender affirming surgery in Canada, dipshit:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/sexual-health/how-to-access-gender-affirming-care/options.html

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Somebody needs to read  Karl Popper.

I don't need some fcked-up philosopher to warp my understanding of love and tolerance...thank you very much.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Nationalist

[WestCanMan]

28 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

It's 18 for gender affirming surgery in Canada, dipshit:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/sexual-health/how-to-access-gender-affirming-care/options.html

Do you know the difference between a talking point and a law, dipshit?

No one is talking about "What laws are on the books". We're talking about how dumb Radiorum's ideas are.

Can you find the part where I said "This is a law" in the post I wrote? It's here:

• Sometimes when they're 8, they just don't know.

  Leftists: "8 yr olds are wise and mature enough to unilaterally decide to change their sex and become infertile: they understand the ramifications. Also, 19-yr-old college kids are too stupid to understand how loans work, so they can't be held accountable."  

At what point did I say the word "law" there?

It looks to me like I just outlined the Dems' brillyunt plans. Now tell me I'm wrong if you can. Tell me that you don't think Dems talk about:

1. starting transitioning kids that young, or
2. forgiving student load debt on account of 19 yr olds being too dumb to understand how loans work? 

Edited November 25, 2024 by WestCanMan

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

That's because there is not a simple definition. It's not simple a matter of - well, if you have breasts, ovaries and a vagina, you are a woman. Because "who you are" is determined by your brain/mind - and transgender women are women in their organ of thought. (Brains are dimorphic, too.) I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept for some people to understand. Also, I'm not sure why some people are so fixated on a rigid definition and feel threatened if others don't fit into their narrow understanding of the human condition.

There is a very simple definition. A woman is a human female. As to what a female is:

fe·male

/ˈfēˌmāl/

adjective

 

1. of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

   "a herd of female deer"

    

   There you go. Simple definition that is backed up by science, tradition, reason and logic.

    

   The only one reason you want to pretend that it's complicated is because the truth does not suit your agenda.

   It's not even a tiny bit complicated, it doesn't get much more simple.

[User]

53 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I think they would disagree with you on this.

And? 

Their disagreement doesn't change reality. 

53 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Well, yeah, if they really were the King of England.

Yeah, but a man claiming he is a woman, is not really a woman. So, if someone is not the King of England, and they claim to be the King, do you believe them?

54 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Believing them is wholly unconnected to the two examples you gave

Nope. More dishonest games. 

So, a man who claims he is a woman, now says he wants to play with the women in basketball, do you believe he is a woman and let him or no? He wants to go shower with the women after the game, use their locker room, do you believe he is a woman, or no?

55 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

So, you're a science denier now?

Nope. I am the King of the Universe. I tell you what science is and is not. Do you believe me?

[User]

42 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

It's 18 for gender affirming surgery in Canada, dipshit:

Not for cutting breasts off. 

[Black Dog]

45 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I don't need some fcked-up philosopher to warp my understanding of love and tolerance...thank you very much.

Yeah god forbid you let new ideas penetrate your veil of stupidity.

14 minutes ago, User said:

Not for cutting breasts off. 

All lower or bottom surgeries are only available for people 18 years of age or older, regardless of gender.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Black Dog

[Radiorum]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Simple definition

That's true, it's simple - too simple. Human beings are not cardboard cutouts. There are entire spectrums of biological, emotional, psychological traits in a population. To believe that gender is binary is to go against both the biological and medical information we have. To not believe that there is overlap is an ignorant position.

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

backed up by science, tradition, reason and logic.

Not true.

 

6 hours ago, User said:

Their disagreement doesn't change reality.

Your reality. Which does not mesh with real reality.

6 hours ago, User said:

So, a man who claims he is a woman, now says he wants to play with the women in basketball, do you believe he is a woman and let him or no? He wants to go shower with the women after the game, use their locker room, do you believe he is a woman, or no?

I think I have answered this.

Edited November 26, 2024 by Radiorum

[Black Dog]

34 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Do you know the difference between a talking point and a law, dipshit?

No one is talking about "What laws are on the books". We're talking about how dumb Radiorum's ideas are.

Can you find the part where I said "This is a law" in the post I wrote? It's here:

• Sometimes when they're 8, they just don't know.

  Leftists: "8 yr olds are wise and mature enough to unilaterally decide to change their sex and become infertile: they understand the ramifications. Also, 19-yr-old college kids are too stupid to understand how loans work, so they can't be held accountable."  

Do you understand how stupid you are to talk about 8 year olds "unilaterally decide to change their sex and become infertile" when such a thing doesn't happen?

 

 

[User]

25 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

All lower or bottom surgeries are only available for people 18 years of age or older, regardless of gender.

Do you not even understand what LOWER OR BOTTOM means?

Dear Lord... or you could read the link you provided. I swear, so dumb. 

[WestCanMan]

19 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Do you understand how stupid you are to talk about 8 year olds "unilaterally decide to change their sex and become infertile" when such a thing doesn't happen?

It's a laftard talking point.

• 8-yr-olds, with the help of a guidance counsellor, and in complete secrecy from their parents, can start the transition progress, which at that point includes puberty blockers. 

And FYI, once children are fully transitioned, they become unable to procreate. 

I don't put that dumb sh1t in your mouths, I merely remind you of it.

[User]

25 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Your reality. Which does mesh with real reality.

It is amazing what pathetic games you guys will play to defend this absurdity. 

26 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

I think I have answered this.

Clearly not. Like many of your other crappy arguments and baseless assertions before, now you will run away. 

[Black Dog]

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's a laftard talking point.

• 8-yr-olds, with the help of a guidance counsellor, and in complete secrecy from their parents, can start the transition progress, which at that point includes puberty blockers. 

And FYI, once children are fully transitioned, they become unable to procreate. 

I don't put that dumb sh1t in your mouths, I merely remind you of it.

Fully transitioned here means surgery, dummy, which 8 t=year olds can't get.

[Black Dog]

20 minutes ago, User said:

Do you not even understand what LOWER OR BOTTOM means?

Dear Lord... or you could read the link you provided. I swear, so dumb. 

Ah yes I misread the link.

It's actually 16 for top surgery.

[User]

7 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Ah yes I misread the link.

It's actually 16 for top surgery.

Where does your link say that?

 

[Black Dog]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Where does your link say that?

 

It doesn't. I'm looking at the WPATh guidelines referenced:

According to WPATH's Standards of Care, an individual must be of the age of majority in the country of reference (Canada) to be allowed to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Therefore, the required age for genital reconstructive surgery is 18 years of age and 16 for masculinization of the torso surgery (mastectomy).